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saying dude isnt an upgrade from ****ing Carlos Arroyo is wrong. I bet if its from another team people wouldnt day that.
I swear, i bet if the Heat traded Erick Dampier for Dwight Howard people would still find ways to think they didnt upgrade from that.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]He's shooting 44.1% from the the 3 points territory.[/QUOTE]
50% in November
38% in December
34% in February
% in March ?
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]If he can shoot 40 percent from three than he is already much better than any other pg they have.. [B]Plus he can set up their offense.. [/B]Only Arroyo could do that.. Chalmers is also too turnover prone for a pg...[/QUOTE]
What offense? You mean pass it to Lebron iso up top? :roll:
I couldn't be any more happy! Carlos Arroyo is a scrub, didn't want him on the roster. Bibby isn't a big lift for us but he is definitely a huge upgrade. His veteran leadership is also a huge plus.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Fisher guarded Ray... Nice try.[/QUOTE]
So then what leads Celtics fans to believe that Bibby will guard Rondo and not Ray?
[QUOTE=donald_trump]actually no, you're wrong. as a whole since coming back from injury in the 08-09 season lebron has been far more turnover prone than wade. stop making up bs and protecting your boy even when you dont have anything to back it up.
lebron is more turnover prone than wade. fact.[/QUOTE]
Oh really?
Hm? First of all i deeply appologise but im a basketball fan first and foremost, i like both of them and neither one of them is in your terms "my boy" and since facts always expose opinions (such as yours) i hence stick to only facts and not mindbogling opinions! Since you want facts in this department of yours, here you go, i present you everything:
[U][B]SEASON:[/B][/U]
Wades TO average as of 2008-09 - 3.3
Lebrons TO average as of 2008-09 - 3.3
Wades Assist/TO ratio as of 2008-09 - 1.9
Lebrons Assist/TO ratio as of 2008-09 - 2.3
Wades Assist/TO ratio this season - 1.4
Lebrons Assist/TO ratio this season - 2.0
Wade career season TO - 3.7
Lebron career season TO - 3.3
Wade career season Assist/TO ratio - 1.7
Lebron career season Assist/TO ratio - 2.1
Wades best Assist/TO ratio season - 2.2 (2008-09)
Lebrons best Assist/TO ratio season - 2.5 (2009-10)
[U][B]PLAYOFFS[/B][/U]
Wades TO playoff average as of 2008-09 - 4.3
Lebrons TO playoff average as of 2008-09 - 3.2
Wades Assist/TO playoff ratio as of 2008-09 - 1.4
Lebrons Assist/TO playoff ratio as of 2008-09 - 2.3
Wade career playoff TO - 4.2
Lebron career playoff TO - 3.7
Wade career playoff Assist/TO ratio - 1.4
Lebron career playoff Assist/TO ratio - 2.0
Wades best Assist/TO ratio playoff year - 1.5 (2005-06)
Lebrons best Assist/TO ratio playoff year - 2.7 (2008-09)
As you can see its not even close, its very safe to say that anybody who thinks James has been more or even equally turnover prone as Dwyane Wade is kindof delusional or simply doesnt know what he talks about. Not even this year has Lebron been more turnover prone despite averaging more turnovers than Wade, simply because Lebron handles the ball and facilitates much more than Wade and averages 7.2 assists a game compared to Wades 4.4 assists a game and 3.2 turnovers a game (which is Wades worst assist/TO ratio of his career despite not having the pressure of having to facilitate/handle the ball as much as Lebron or not even close to as much as Wade ever facilitated/handled the ball before)
[quote=wpdougie2180]Miami cut Arroyo possibly to pick up Bibby
Boston fans would you pick Arroyo up as the 3rd string PG and just to get in the Heatles heads?[/quote]
Hell no, we can get more hot cheerleaders with that money. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=mlh1981]It seems to me that Bibby's "clutchness" is going to amount to a hill of beans, as a team of guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh, etc will be looking to take the big time shots.
Plus, he won't be handling the ball much, and offers nothing defensively.
What is the point of this move?[/QUOTE]
For Miami Lebron has been most often having the ball in his hands in those situations whether it was to make an assist/pass to a player which Spoelstra designed or Lebron himself created or to make a basket himself, considering this then i wouldnt worry about Bibby not being used in the clutch as Lebron with the ball in his hands especially has always been known to make the right play and never turn down the open jumpshooter, heck stupidly enough he has even been criticized for being to unselfish in those situations despite any of those plays being always the right plays.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]He's shooting 44.1% from the the 3 points territory.[/QUOTE]
Around James & Wade Mike Bibby will shoot even better, open shots afterall.
This sure was the case with any shooter Lebron at least played with, all shooters that played with Lebron improved their 3PT% compared to their previous or even any of their other seasons and all of their 3PT% also decreased when Lebron didnt play with them.
[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]They can't match up with Chicago either, who owns them by the way like every ELITE team owns the Heat.
The Heat have NOTHING to match up with Joakim Noah, Omer Asik, Taj Gibson, Kurt Thomas, and Carlos Boozer. Nothing![/QUOTE]
So the Lakers are no longer elite ? Think I saw Kobe being force fed Wade & LBJ's eggnog last Xmas.
[QUOTE=rigor]So the Lakers are no longer elite ? Think I saw Kobe being force fed Wade & LBJ's eggnog last Xmas.[/QUOTE]
So you mention the Heat's 1 win against the Elite teams this season. :lol
[QUOTE=sh0wtime]
As you can see its not even close, its very safe to say that anybody who thinks James has been more or even equally turnover prone as Dwyane Wade is kindof delusional or simply doesnt know what he talks about.[/QUOTE]
LeBron's average of 3.67 turnovers a game this year is a career worst.
And Lebron's seven assists a game also is his lowest in five seasons.
Anyone who has watched Heat games this year with any regularity can see that Wade CLEARLY plays his best and is his efficient self when Lebron is riding his ass on the pine.
Here we go again. Heats stans talking big about Bibby. Once he starts playing for them, they will throw him under the bus like everyone else. LeBron and a tendency to make players look like trash. Just look at Wade.
[QUOTE=Peteballa]So then what leads Celtics fans to believe that Bibby will guard Rondo and not Ray?[/QUOTE]
Even worst, Ray is taller than Rondo, he will rain threes all over Bibby. :lol
All of you saying Bibby is not an upgrade, you are idiots.
And nobody is going to run circles around anybody.... some of you guys get your heads wrapped around "he's so old" "he's so young" "he can run so fast blah blah"
stfu, seriously.
[QUOTE=sh0wtime]Around James & Wade Mike Bibby will shoot even better, open shots afterall.
This sure was the case with any shooter Lebron at least played with, all shooters that played with Lebron improved their 3PT% compared to their previous or even any of their other seasons and all of their 3PT% also decreased when Lebron didnt play with them.[/QUOTE]
James jones is having a career year.
[QUOTE=amfirst]Here we go again. Heats stans talking big about Bibby. Once he starts playing for them, they will throw him under the bus like everyone else. LeBron and a tendency to make players look like trash. Just look at Wade.[/QUOTE]
happened in cleveland. same thing will happen in miami when they fail.
[QUOTE=ashbelly]James jones is having a career year.[/QUOTE]
And Eddie House is top 6 in the NBA for 3 pt percentage.
As Mike Miller plays more and gets in shape, I expect his 3 point shooting to get back to the 50% seasons he's hit before from downtown.
[QUOTE=sh0wtime]Oh really?
Hm? First of all i deeply appologise but im a basketball fan first and foremost, i like both of them and neither one of them is in your terms "my boy" and since facts always expose opinions (such as yours) i hence stick to only facts and not mindbogling opinions! Since you want facts in this department of yours, here you go, i present you everything:
[U][B]SEASON:[/B][/U]
Wades TO average as of 2008-09 - 3.3
Lebrons TO average as of 2008-09 - 3.3
Wades Assist/TO ratio as of 2008-09 - 1.9
Lebrons Assist/TO ratio as of 2008-09 - 2.3
Wades Assist/TO ratio this season - 1.4
Lebrons Assist/TO ratio this season - 2.0
Wade career season TO - 3.7
Lebron career season TO - 3.3
Wade career season Assist/TO ratio - 1.7
Lebron career season Assist/TO ratio - 2.1
Wades best Assist/TO ratio season - 2.2 (2008-09)
Lebrons best Assist/TO ratio season - 2.5 (2009-10)
[U][B]PLAYOFFS[/B][/U]
Wades TO playoff average as of 2008-09 - 4.3
Lebrons TO playoff average as of 2008-09 - 3.2
Wades Assist/TO playoff ratio as of 2008-09 - 1.4
Lebrons Assist/TO playoff ratio as of 2008-09 - 2.3
Wade career playoff TO - 4.2
Lebron career playoff TO - 3.7
Wade career playoff Assist/TO ratio - 1.4
Lebron career playoff Assist/TO ratio - 2.0
Wades best Assist/TO ratio playoff year - 1.5 (2005-06)
Lebrons best Assist/TO ratio playoff year - 2.7 (2008-09)
As you can see its not even close, its very safe to say that anybody who thinks James has been more or even equally turnover prone as Dwyane Wade is kindof delusional or simply doesnt know what he talks about. Not even this year has Lebron been more turnover prone despite averaging more turnovers than Wade, simply because Lebron handles the ball and facilitates much more than Wade and averages 7.2 assists a game compared to Wades 4.4 assists a game and 3.2 turnovers a game (which is Wades worst assist/TO ratio of his career despite not having the pressure of having to facilitate/handle the ball as much as Lebron or not even close to as much as Wade ever facilitated/handled the ball before)[/QUOTE]
repped for being a huge nut rider.
[QUOTE=oldschool4ever]repped for having facts[/QUOTE]
fixed
[QUOTE=mikek85]fixed[/QUOTE]
Just put those clowns back on your ignore lists. Heat would beat the Lakers again in the Regular Season. Chris Bosh looked like Prime Hakeem againts the Lakers front court last Christmas.
[QUOTE=mikek85]All of you saying Bibby is not an upgrade, you are idiots.
And nobody is going to run circles around anybody.... some of you guys get your heads wrapped around "he's so old" "he's so young" "he can run so fast blah blah"
stfu, seriously.[/QUOTE]
This
i'm tentative on this, but i'm pretty sure Spo would not give Bibby too many minutes. Chalmers would still be starting PG. i'm willing to bet Bibby will just be played at crunch time when they need a big time 3.
[QUOTE=Harion]i'm tentative on this, but i'm pretty sure Spo would not give Bibby too many minutes. Chalmers would still be starting PG. i'm willing to bet Bibby will just be played at crunch time when they need a big time 3.[/QUOTE]
if he proves he can knock down shots consistently, he'll get the starting job. i'm still for chalmers and dampier coming off the bench to give the defensive energy.
Yea, I feel sorry for Carlos. He got shit on by the media... was the Heat scapegoat early, then he got benched and now cut. lol. People were like no he's our starting PG.
I really think the Heat would do better to run a more video game line up with LBJ or Wade as the primary ball handler and a bigger shooter SF/SG in their starting lineup. Why they haven't tried this baffles me.
-Smak
[QUOTE=ILLsmak]Yea, I feel sorry for Carlos. He got shit on by the media... was the Heat scapegoat early, then he got benched and now cut. lol. People were like no he's our starting PG.
I really think the Heat would do better to run a more video game line up with LBJ or Wade as the primary ball handler and a bigger shooter SF/SG in their starting lineup. Why they haven't tried this baffles me.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug:
it worked well when i tried it in 2k11, but I think they dont do it coz Wade and LeBron both said they dont want to play PG
Mike Bibby is what the Heat need. He is a great shooter, but the most importent thing is that he got playoff experince and is a real NBA vet. He has been there before. Chalmers and Carlos has never been in the situtions that Bibby has been in. Great move by the Heat.
[QUOTE=ILLsmak]Yea, I feel sorry for Carlos. He got shit on by the media... was the Heat scapegoat early, then he got benched and now cut. lol. People were like no he's our starting PG.
I really think the Heat would do better to run a more video game line up with LBJ or Wade as the primary ball handler and a bigger shooter SF/SG in their starting lineup. Why they haven't tried this baffles me.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
It's too bad because Arroyo did all he could do given his age and ability. His shooting percentage from 3 was refreshingly surprising. He just couldn't revert back to his 25 year old body and attack like he used to.
Any one who thinks Bibby is not a better fit then Arroyos is completely insane. Defense can be fixed with help from LeBron and Wade.
Having someone like Bibby bring veteran leadership whichs this team clearly lacks. Bibby can get the offense running and can handle the pressure situations. Having LeBron and Wade run point was never really the Heat's plan when they brought them over.
Again, Bibby is battle tested and it can only be a good thing to bring him on board.
I hate the Heat and even I can clearly see Bibby is a GREAT addition to the team. Anyone who thinks Arroyos is a better fit should give yourself a shake.
Damn, Arroyo gets the short end of the stick there. He thought he was going to get a shot at a championship then gets waived.
I skimmed through the thread and didn't notice, but will Chalmers still be starting? Or do they plan to work Bibby into the starting lineup eventually?
[QUOTE=Vancouver-Grizz][B]Any one who thinks Bibby is not a better fit then Arroyos is completely insane. Defense can be fixed with help from LeBron and Wade. [/B]
Having someone like Bibby bring veteran leadership whichs this team clearly lacks. Bibby can get the offense running and can handle the pressure situations. Having LeBron and Wade run point was never really the Heat's plan when they brought them over.
Again, Bibby is battle tested and it can only be a good thing to bring him on board.
I hate the Heat and even I can clearly see Bibby is a GREAT addition to the team. Anyone who thinks Arroyos is a better fit should give yourself a shake.[/QUOTE]
You never know, it's a paper thing and looks right, but you don't know what the product will be until they're actually on the court playing. Bibby could come on the team and start shooting only 25-30% behind the line and be a bad upgrade over Arroyo.
I remember something similar happening with Antawn Jamison last year when he got to the Cavaliers. For his career and that season he was shooting his free throws well into the 70 percentile, sometimes 80 percentile, but for whatever damn reason once he got to the cavaliers he was shooting over 50% for the rest of the season. If he ever made two free throws in a row I cheered because it almost never happened after he got traded.
They're basically upgrading what Eddie House does. He'll spread the floor and give the Heat some of the firepower they'll need. Unlike House though, Miller can actually play the point. They need a point guard at the end of close games.
This should be a nice addition for Miami. It doesn't put them over the top or anything, but they're probably a better team now than they were yesterday.
I still cannot see this working.
When's he expected to play?
[QUOTE=dirkdiggler41]Mike Bibby is what the Heat need. He is a great shooter, but the most importent thing is that he got playoff experince and is a real NBA vet. He has been there before. Chalmers and Carlos has never been in the situtions that Bibby has been in. Great move by the Heat.[/QUOTE]
He's been there before? Wade and Bron have both been further in the playoffs than Bibby ever has.
[QUOTE=Rose]I still cannot see this working.
When's he expected to play?[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't it work? A good shooter who can handle the ball and offense. Perfect to me.
[QUOTE=All Net]Why wouldn't it work? A good shooter who can handle the ball and offense. Perfect to me.[/QUOTE]
Because he's a streaky shooter that's better with the ball in his hands, except from three, which he's good at catch and shoot.
The more I think about it, the more I like this for Miami.
Bibby fits this teams needs like a glove. He can play off the ball, and shoot the 3 ball. He makes good decisions with the ball, and can create plays with his passing ability. And he's a veteran who isn't going to get rattled come playoff time.
if nothing else he's better than House
[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]He's been there before? Wade and Bron have both been further in the playoffs than Bibby ever has.[/QUOTE]
He's been to multiple CFs and has generally played in a ton of playoff games.
Bibby to Heat just became official, announced by the team 5 minutes ago:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=7288[/url]
[QUOTE=dirkdiggler41]Mike Bibby is what the Heat need[/QUOTE]
I agree...
And now they have him:applause: