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[QUOTE=rufuspaul]100+ tomahawk missiles I think qualifies.[/QUOTE]
i would say theres a significantly less risk though then it seems when someone says "were sending troops to 3 countries,"(implying Libya). I'm not saying that doing the bombings isn't dangerous for the pilots and such, but its not like its all out war. Obviously one lost life is too much, but I can't imagine hearing any staggering numbers, if any, of US casualties because of this Libya situation.
[quote=Rasheed1]
Romney is going to have enough trouble from Huckabee and Newt and them clowns :oldlol: they are gonna keep brining up romneycare.. He is the most sound candidate but he has romneycare tattoed on his forehead and the other GOP candidates wont let him forget that[/quote]
Good point. Like I said it's gonna be hard to find a republican with as much political savvy as Obama, not to mention he's got the power of incumbency.
Are people still seriously talking about Ron Paul? I thought we'd have moved on to a possible (lol, not really) Rand Paul Presidency. Let's be a little creative in the day dreaming...
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Are people still seriously talking about Ron Paul? I thought we'd have moved on to a possible (lol, not really) Rand Paul Presidency. Let's be a little creative in the day dreaming...[/QUOTE]
you dont vote for somebody because they can win.... :facepalm
they dont need your vote if they are already going to win...
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]you dont vote for somebody because they can win.... :facepalm
they dont need your vote if they are already going to win...[/QUOTE]
Nothing is guaranteed. The problem with most third parties is that they seem to always focus on the Presidency or take a Senate or governorship. What they need is a long term strategy. Start small and build your way up while growing your base.
don't care didn't vote for him.
Voted in like a boss
Presidency like a bosh
On another note, Mitt Romney FTW
[QUOTE=VishaltotheG]Voted in like a boss
Presidency like a bosh
On another note, Mitt Romney FTW[/QUOTE]
so his presidency is equivalent to someone who's putting up 18.4 ppg and 8.3 rbg and a 5 time all star? sounds like a very respectable presidency by that measure
Obama is still polling very high relative to past presidents at this point in their first terms. Reagan's approval ratings were in the low-30s well over two years into his first term.
Obama is still consistently getting approval ratings in the mid-to-high 40s, which is pretty incredible. If the economy starts to turn around even a little bit by the next election, no Republican stands a chance.
As it is, with only modest improvements in the unemployment rate, he is shown in polls to beat any candidate currently on the radar. There is a reason Republicans are being apprehensive about running. Guys like Chris Christie are the future of the party... Populace candidates who actually have a shot to be elected.
He doesn't want to enter the race, though, without having a shot to win. He is waiting to see if Obama's popularity dips or if the unemployment rate raises before he throws his hat in the ring. The Republicans know that Obama is going to be very difficult to beat, which is why you may see a patsy candidate (like Dole was in 1996) and they save their big gun for 2016 when they don't have to run him against Obama.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Obama is still polling very high relative to past presidents at this point in their first terms. Reagan's approval ratings were in the low-30s well over two years into his first term.
Obama is still consistently getting approval ratings in the mid-to-high 40s, which is pretty incredible. If the economy starts to turn around even a little bit by the next election, no Republican stands a chance. [/quote]
No republican stands a chance no matter what
I dont see any republicans who could beat Obama..
When Romney is the best shot? :oldlol: you know the GOP field is thin.
Newt?
Pawlenty?
Barbour?
Palin?
Romney?
Hell, throw in Guiliani for good measure...
That is the worst field of contenders Ive seen since Ive been paying attention to this stuff :oldlol:
Obama would slay all of them
[quote]As it is, with only modest improvements in the unemployment rate, he is shown in polls to beat any candidate currently on the radar. There is a reason Republicans are being apprehensive about running. Guys like Chris Christie are the future of the party... Populace candidates who actually have a shot to be elected.
He doesn't want to enter the race, though, without having a shot to win. He is waiting to see if Obama's popularity dips or if the unemployment rate raises before he throws his hat in the ring. The Republicans know that Obama is going to be very difficult to beat, which is why you may see a patsy candidate (like Dole was in 1996) and they save their big gun for 2016 when they don't have to run him against Obama.[/QUOTE]
Chris has the best shot of any Republican... That said, I live close enough to Nj to know that Christie has warts too and I would be interested to see how those would play out in a presidential campaign...
Christie smart enough not to jump out there right now though...
I think he is the best politician (besides Ron Paul :)) the GOP have
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]No republican stands a chance no matter what
I dont see any republicans who could beat Obama..
When Romney is the best shot? :oldlol: you know the GOP field is thin.
Newt?
Pawlenty?
Barbour?
Palin?
Romney?
Hell, throw in Guiliani for good measure...
That is the worst field of contenders Ive seen since Ive been paying attention to this stuff :oldlol:
Obama would slay all of them[/quote]
It is a pretty bad lineup. When bomb-throwers and trouble-makers like Palin, Gingrich and Bachmann are being mentioned as serious contenders to lead the party in the next election, you know there are serious, serious problems.
Like I said in my above post, though... There are some 'better' candidates that they could go with that actually may have a realistic shot with the right climate between now and the election, but they do not want to waste them in a campaign that could end up being a total wipe-out for Obama.
Let's face it... Christie is their best guy. He is the only guy I see that has a legitimate shot. The fact that he is not giving in to the pressure of running yet and he is being so apprehensive tells you everything you need to know about the Republicans' feelings on the possibility of an Obama re-election.
Right now, it is looking VERY good for Obama... About as good as any president can possibly look in terms of re-election 2+ years in to their first term.
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Chris has the best shot of any Republican... That said, I live close enough to Nj to know that Christie has warts too and I would be interested to see how those would play out in a presidential campaign...
Christie smart enough not to jump out there right now though...
I think he is the best politician (besides Ron Paul :)) the GOP have[/QUOTE]
All politicians have warts. The biggest hurdle that Christie may face is that the extreme right-wingers (which has become the base, somehow) may look at him as too moderate. His stance on social issues like abortion and welfare reform will get a lot of push back from the far right.
He would have to win a very sizable portion of the true 'undecideds,' and that happens to be a group that Obama is also very good at attaining and impressing.
I don't think Christie is going to run. I do think he will run in 2016, though, regardless of who the Democratic candidate is... And he will probably be the front-runner, unless something disastrous happens between now and then (six years is a LONG time in politics... Look at Elliot Spitzer).
I'm Republican. **** the progressive tax system.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I'm Republican. **** the progressive tax system.[/QUOTE]
Ugh.
The smart ones are waiting for 2016. I don't see anyone beating Obama. I think it is usually that way with an incumbent President on average unless there is just a disaster of the economy going on. Send out a sacrificial lamb while the others quietly building up name recognition and war chests for 2016.
The Republicans are gonna mail it in next election much like in 1996 with Bob Dole. They'll groom their real candidate in 2016.
If they had an ideal/winnable candidate for 2012, we would have heard about him by now and he'd be prominent in the media at this point.
[QUOTE=Tarik One]The Republicans are gonna mail it in next election much like in 1996 with Bob Dole. They'll groom their real candidate in 2016.
If they had an ideal/winnable candidate for 2012, we would have heard about him by now and he'd be prominent in the media at this point.[/QUOTE]
The candidate is Christie... He probably isn't going to run. If there is some other populace conservative out there with a real shot, I haven't heard about him/her.
> Is anyone regretting voting for this as[U]s[/U]hole yet?
nope.
> I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible
> personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.
good for you. you sure showed them!
> He ... has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq,
> Afghanistan and now Libya.
at this point i'm starting to feel sorry for you, given your severe lack of information.
pretty-much every president since GW has had to send troops against sitting ducks in order to 'protect' american rights. meaning, to grease the wheels in order to maintain our lifestyle. so welcome to the USA and welcome to reality. hope you enjoy your stay here.
also, you especially err in mentioning iraq and afghanistan, two places that not a single elected president from this past election would have been able to pull out of in this time frame.
> his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that
> probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.
the bank bailouts were started by the GWB regime and would likely have been continued by anyone elected... hillary to romney to edwards to palin.
as for the second item, look up "confirmation bias." you might, actually, learn something if you do.
> Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right
> and he cant get anything to pass.
welcome to the world of centrists. and do you think that obama was the first?
> Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should
> feel ashamed of themselves
you're the one who should be ashamed. your understanding of the issues you've raised is microscopic and laughable.
still, on the positive side, there is a place waiting for you in president palin's cabinet. i think you'd fit right in there, with honors...
Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich please.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The candidate is Christie... He probably isn't going to run. If there is some other populace conservative out there with a real shot, I haven't heard about him/her.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how he would do in the south. I think he is smart to not get into the race.
[QUOTE=thatoneblackguy]He's just a puppet. Doesn't matter who you vote for. False Left/Right Paradigm keeps us fighting each other. Divide & Conquer + Deception = Success[/QUOTE]
hah, so all the African Americans were jumping around yelling black man president black man president. When his approval rate drops the same people respond like this. Typical... sooner or later they'll say he's white.
[QUOTE=gigantes]> Is anyone regretting voting for this as[U]s[/U]hole yet?
nope.
> I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible
> personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.
good for you. you sure showed them!
> He ... has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq,
> Afghanistan and now Libya.
at this point i'm starting to feel sorry for you, given your severe lack of information.
pretty-much every president since GW has had to send troops against sitting ducks in order to 'protect' american rights. meaning, to grease the wheels in order to maintain our lifestyle. so welcome to the USA and welcome to reality. hope you enjoy your stay here.
also, you especially err in mentioning iraq and afghanistan, two places that not a single elected president from this past election would have been able to pull out of in this time frame.
> his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that
> probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.
the bank bailouts were started by the GWB regime and would likely have been continued by anyone elected... hillary to romney to edwards to palin.
as for the second item, look up "confirmation bias." you might, actually, learn something if you do.
> Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right
> and he cant get anything to pass.
welcome to the world of centrists. and do you think that obama was the first?
> Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should
> feel ashamed of themselves
you're the one who should be ashamed. your understanding of the issues you've raised is microscopic and laughable.
still, on the positive side, there is a place waiting for you in president palin's cabinet. i think you'd fit right in there, with honors...[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't waste my time... Good points, though.
I recommend joining the adults in the conversation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btQKGvVRnZ8[/url]
[QUOTE=JohnnySic]Yep.
And Obama isn't getting reeleceted. First time around it was a feel-good story, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
I don't see who the Republicans can put in that will take him out.
I'll proudly vote for Obama in 2012.
Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, but he at least meant well). Clinton/Bush SR. '12
Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen!
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich please.[/QUOTE]
aren't they complete opposites with respect to policy?
So Bush starts an oil war and it's Obama's fault because we can't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan yet? I haven't been impressed with Obama yet, but stop trying to transfer the blame.
Also, Obama can't get anything passed because the republicans won't allow it. So why are you bashing Obama on these points?
Obama's problem is that he won't tell the republicans to go f*ck themselves, and do what he wants. He thinks he can please both sides, not going to happen.
Only way Clinton ever got anything done is when he basically got tired of the republican party trashing him. He gave them the finger, then left office with a budget surplus.
[QUOTE=fos]Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, [B]but he at least meant well[/B]). Clinton/Bush SR. '12
Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen![/QUOTE]
Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.
Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.
Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
So we went into Iraq for oil?
[QUOTE=fos]Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, but he at least meant well). Clinton/Bush SR. '12
Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen![/QUOTE]
How old are you?
USA wants the oil of Libya. You guys are going to benefit if the USA and their allies conquer Libya. Libya is one of the richest countries in the African Union,
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.
Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
We still going with the "he lied us to war" thing? Congress had the same information on Iraq that Bush had and voted to go to war (I believe the current secretary of state voted to go to war, no?). Props to Obama for voting against it. So we went to war with Iraq for oil, what evidence do you have of that? Correct me if I'm wrong but it was and is an expensive war, I don't see us gaining anything there. No doubt it was the wrong decision to go to war but at least we got rid of a ruthless dictator who tortured and killed (hundreds?) of thousands of his own people and at least tried to bring democracy there. Also, the Iraq war isn't nearly as expensive or the cause for our debt as you lead on. Social security, Medicare and Medicaid all cost more than the war. Like I said, Bush is a retard so I can cut him some slack for poor decisions. Obama on the other hand isn't mentally retarded so he has no excuse for this bullshit.
The whole system is completely ****ed. Utterly compromised by greed and power.
The concepts of Liberty and individual's rights to that which are his/hers are long since forgotten.
The whole system is now based on concepts and idea's that will surely lead to the down fall of this empire. American's are fed garbage from both sides while ultimately leading to the same system. That they are not smart enough to make choices for themselves. Economically, socially, etc, etc... The corrupt government and the corporations that control it due to it's corrupt state will continue to use and abuse their power and mis represent the population...
Only when it's far too late will we wake up and realize we're ****ed and have no chance of turning back.
calm down, this aint no 1984
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]So Bush starts an oil war and it's Obama's fault because we can't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan yet? I haven't been impressed with Obama yet, but stop trying to transfer the blame.
Also, Obama can't get anything passed because the republicans won't allow it. So why are you bashing Obama on these points?
Obama's problem is that he won't tell the republicans to go f*ck themselves, and do what he wants. He thinks he can please both sides, not going to happen.
Only way Clinton ever got anything done is when he basically got tired of the republican party trashing him. He gave them the finger, then left office with a budget surplus.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ stop blindly defending Shitbama because you like his speeches and think he's a cool guy. That's the same reason so many idiots defended Bush (he seems like a fun guy who I can just sit at the bar and have a beer with DURR DURR)
Obama as president is responsible to play the political game and get supporters to make his shit pass. Instead after his first few months in office he was so divisive and insulting that even his own party started going against him. He is only trying to please both sides now after he realized that telling the republicans to go f*ck themselves (basically what he did his first 6 months in office) only served to piss everyone off and make them not pass his propositions just to spite him.
Bush might have started oil wars but Obama keeps pumping more money and troops in to them even though he promised to pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan during his campaign. Oh yeah Obama just started a new oil war in Libya, didnt you get the memo?
Shitbama is worse than George W Bush because he promised America so much more than Bush did but he is giving America even less.
You may not like Obama, but... would you rather have McCain?
[QUOTE=chains5000]You may not like Obama, but... would you rather have McCain?[/QUOTE]
Mccain used to be one of the most liberal republicans. During the campaign he pretended to be a hardline conservative to get votes but Im pretty certain just like Obama lied and pretended to be someone else to get into office Mccain was doing exactly the same thing.
Palin is goofy but so was Bush, it's not like even if Mccain died and she became president she would have any actual power, it's obvious she was just a puppet used to attract more stupid voters.
Yeh Im not gonna lie its probably hindsight but Im 100% sure McCain would have been a better president than Barack Obama was. Back in 2000 he was easily the best republican candidate.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Mccain used to be one of the most liberal republicans. During the campaign he pretended to be a hardline conservative to get votes but Im pretty certain just like Obama lied and pretended to be someone else to get into office Mccain was doing exactly the same thing.
Palin is goofy but so was Bush, it's not like even if Mccain died and she became president she would have any actual power, it's obvious she was just a puppet used to attract more stupid voters.
Yeh Im not gonna lie its probably hindsight but Im 100% sure McCain would have been a better president than Barack Obama was. Back in 2000 he was easily the best republican candidate.[/QUOTE]
Even if he was pretending, how can you know McCain couldn't have kept doing so in order to have a good public image?
As for Palin, puppet or not, I'd be ashamed of having a vice president that retarded.
Having only two candidates sucks, period.
[QUOTE=chains5000]Even if he was pretending, how can you know McCain couldn't have kept doing so in order to have a good public image?
As for Palin, puppet or not, I'd be ashamed of having a vice president that retarded.
Having only two candidates sucks, period.[/QUOTE]
Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with Berlusconi years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.
For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.
He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.
So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with [SIZE="5"][B]Berlusconi[/B][/SIZE] years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.
For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.
He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.
So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm[/QUOTE]
I'd have moved to another country by now if I was Italian.
Him winning time and time again just shows the worst flaws in democracy.