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[QUOTE=Eat Like A Bosh]
[B]But Kobe and Rose are in LA and Chicago, one of the big markets, and the media doesn't want to piss off people in LA or Chicago. But they are not afraid to piss on the Heat. In fact, they will rip on the Heat as much as they want.[/B]
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Wade had a better season and is the better player so yes he deserved it over Rose. Also look at the players he is beside on the second team Pau Gasol Amare and Russel Westbrook like he does not belong there with them.
[QUOTE=Skep]Who was right about Boozer? :cheers: :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Boozer, you mean the starting PF for the league's best defense?
We are okay with him.
How are the Jazz doing son?:facepalm
Exactly.
[QUOTE=Ikill]Wade had a better season and is the better player so yes he deserved it over Rose. Also look at the players he is beside on the second team Pau Gasol Amare and Russel Westbrook like he does not belong there with them.[/QUOTE]
He deserved it over Rose? Man ya'll MFers kill me...take that Jordan out yo avy man you ain't earn the right to rep Mike and the Bulls.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]You can do what you want but you arguing stats against an award that is about VALUE to a team not individual stats.
And your romantic stance on Wade and what he deserves is comical, really.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I would have less problem with the MVP if it didn't come with the automatic All-NBA distinction. And like I said, you can argue Rose over Kobe if you want.
But, Wade was the best guard in the NBA, and yes "best" is something that needs to be statistically quantified.
My other problem with Nash/Rose MVPs is that the notion MVP is a single-season-award is a complete fallacy. It has unbelievable historical significance.
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[QUOTE=jrong]I would have less problem with the MVP if it didn't come with the automatic All-NBA distinction. And like I said, you can argue Rose over Kobe if you want.
But, Wade was the best guard in the NBA, and yes "best" is something that needs to be statistically quantified.
My other problem with Nash/Rose MVPs is that the notion MVP is a single-season-award is a complete fallacy. It has unbelievable historical significance.[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing shit.
Rose won MVP and first team all NBA.
Props to him.
If he didn't win anything this year I sure-as-hell wouldn't be in here bellyaching like ya'll chumps...most of which are butt hurt and judge the MVP and all NBA honors on stats and nothing else.
[QUOTE=Go Getter][B]Boozer, you mean the starting PF for the league's best defense?[/B]
We are okay with him.
How are the Jazz doing son?:facepalm
Exactly.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they have great D when taj is playing after Boozer commits too many fouls attempting to guard somebody.
Jazz future is looking bright. Fresh start with the next Dwight Howard aka Derrick Favors(cant wait for big Al to teach this kid some post moves)
Jazz will be in the playoffs next year. Easily
Sad they wont be winning a title this year, but owell same for the bulls :violin:
Aldridge and Randolph over Carmelo?
That's ridiculous. I don't care how they did in the playoffs, etc.
Melo should be there over Aldridge.
How can you leave Melo off entirely?
He's better than Gasol, Durant, Randolph and Aldrige.
[QUOTE=jb220]How can you leave Melo off entirely?
He's better than Gasol, Durant, Randolph and Aldrige.[/QUOTE]
Melo didnt do shit this season.. he spent half the season frolicking with his free agency, came to new york, helped them lose a bunch of games and got swept out of the playoffs. Kobe didnt do shit this season either, i don't even know why he's on the list.
[QUOTE=jb220]How can you leave Melo off entirely?
He's better than Gasol, [B]Durant[/B], Randolph and Aldrige.[/QUOTE]
Far from it budster :)
Durant actually shows up on D, and is the back to back scoring champ. So how exactly is Melo better?
[QUOTE=Soothing Layup]Far from it budster :)
Durant actually shows up on D, and is the back to back scoring champ. So how exactly is Melo better?[/QUOTE]
If Durant "shows up on D" then so does Melo :)
One is not clearly better than the other, I agree that it's preference b
26/7/3 on 46%
28/7/3 on 46%
Yeah far from it, dumbass.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I'm not arguing shit.
Rose won MVP and first team all NBA.
Props to him.
If he didn't win anything this year I sure-as-hell wouldn't be in here bellyaching like ya'll chumps...most of which are butt hurt and judge the MVP and all NBA honors on stats and nothing else.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't think you would, considering Rose is 22. Wade doesn't have nearly as much time, and in case you're unaware, being snubbed/disrespected is not exactly new for him.
And, yes, I do think that stats (yes, including wins; they are a stat) should be heavily-determinant in NBA awards especially the non-MVP awards. Why is LeBron by and large considered the best player in the world? His stats. If it were "stats and nothing else", then he wouldn't have the wins to go along with it.
But, if the wins are there, stats are what produce the wins. They may be team or they may be individual, but the explanation for wins can be found in one stat or another. And there are stats that are capable of determining who/what are responsible for the wins (like the ones that show Chicago's defense is more "valuable" to them winning than Rose)
Otherwise, we're just voting for the best story or the player who happened to have the team-circumstances in place that made them seem "most valuable"....
[QUOTE=jb220]If Durant "shows up on D" then so does Melo :)
One is not clearly better than the other, I agree that it's preference b
26/7/3 on 46%
28/7/3 on 46%
Yeah far from it, dumbass.[/QUOTE]
Now compare their first round stats :)
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[QUOTE=Kobe24Clutch]Switch rose for wade[/QUOTE]
So the league MVP shouldn't be on the all-nba first team? Ridiculous - it should be switch Kobe for Wade.
Wade should've been there over Kobe, not over Rose.
Rose earned his spot.
[QUOTE=Skep]Yeah, they have great D when taj is playing after Boozer commits too many fouls attempting to guard somebody.
Jazz future is looking bright. Fresh start with the next Dwight Howard aka Derrick Favors(cant wait for big Al to teach this kid some post moves)
Jazz will be in the playoffs next year. Easily
Sad they wont be winning a title this year, but owell same for the bulls :violin:[/QUOTE]
You should be banned from making any more predictions after last summer homie.
D. Rose=MVP, First team all NBA....better than D Will.
Hate on it but Booz is fine and we are one game away from the ECF.
[QUOTE=jrong]I wouldn't think you would, considering Rose is 22. Wade doesn't have nearly as much time, and in case you're unaware, being snubbed/disrespected is not exactly new for him.
And, yes, I do think that stats (yes, including wins; they are a stat) should be heavily-determinant in NBA awards especially the non-MVP awards. Why is LeBron by and large considered the best player in the world? His stats. If it were "stats and nothing else", then he wouldn't have the wins to go along with it.
But, if the wins are there, stats are what produce the wins. They may be team or they may be individual, but the explanation for wins can be found in one stat or another. And there are stats that are capable of determining who/what are responsible for the wins (like the ones that show Chicago's defense is more "valuable" to them winning than Rose)
Otherwise, we're just voting for the best story or the player who happened to have the team-circumstances in place that made them seem "most valuable"....[/QUOTE]
Rose is the MVP and first team all NBA.
He's a point guard, not a shooting guard, who led his team to 62 wins (one more than the MVP last year).
Wade and Lebron combined couldn't win more games than the Bulls and their rag tag roster.
Rose deserves every award he gets.
Cry about it.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]IT's not the best player award you....it's the MOST [B]VALUABLE[/B] PLAYER.
You have exposed your lack of comprehension.[/QUOTE]
No I can read very well and he is not the most valuable. "He is the heart and soul of the offense." LOL. The heart and soul can't buy a basket and cant score 30+ without shooting 30+.
They win because of rebounding and defense, and Rose has allowed Teague to look like CP3, but they still win. He barely rebounds the ball, but they still win. He has a horrible assist to turn over ratio, but they still win.
He has horrible games, and they still win. How can he have so much value if they not only can, but so often, DO win in spite of him. The answer is he is not that valuable. He is the best player on the team with the best record, but he is not a top 7 player in the NBA, and his value is overstated.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]You should be banned from making any more predictions after last summer homie.
D. Rose=MVP, First team all NBA....better than D Will.
Hate on it but Booz is fine and we are one game away from the ECF.[/QUOTE]
No one expected it. Dwill is a great point guard. Rather have him on a team i was building for a ring than Rose. I dont need 30FGA per game from my PG. I need a playmaker that can knock down shots.
Jazz made the WCF in 07. Its not a big deal.
Beat a team worth beating in the playoffs then we can talk.
[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]No I can read very well and he is not the most valuable. "He is the heart and soul of the offense." LOL. The heart and soul can't buy a basket and cant score 30+ without shooting 30+.
They win because of rebounding and defense, and Rose has allowed Teague to look like CP3, but they still win. He barely rebounds the ball, but they still win. He has a horrible assist to turn over ratio, but they still win.
He has horrible games, and they still win. How can he have so much value if they not only can, but so often, DO win in spite of him. The answer is he is not that valuable. He is the best player on the team with the best record, but he is not a top 7 player in the NBA, and his value is overstated.[/QUOTE]
If that's how you feel then fine. But the people that MATTER have spoken.
D. Rose MVP and first team all NBA. So **** what you talking about (especially those lies and half truths).
[QUOTE=Skep]No one expected it. Dwill is a great point guard. Rather have him on a team i was building for a ring than Rose. I dont need 30FGA per game from my PG. I need a playmaker that can knock down shots.
Jazz made the WCF in 07. Its not a big deal.
Beat a team worth beating in the playoffs then we can talk.[/QUOTE]
***** your team has 0 rings and we OWN ya'll in the finals.
Talk to me when the Jazz get [I]a[/I] ring son, lmao.
you talking about 2007? Jazz fans STILL butt hurt about Jordan over Russell when I go to Jazz games today:roll:
Wade's arguably the best player on the Heat, and yet he can't make the first team. Wow.
im kinda ****ing pissed that wade didnt make it... total travesty.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]***** your team has 0 rings and we OWN ya'll in the finals.
Talk to me when the Jazz get [I]a[/I] ring son, lmao.
you talking about 2007? Jazz fans STILL butt hurt about Jordan over Russell when I go to Jazz games today:roll:[/QUOTE]
Well when a franchise is gifted with the GOAT its kinda expected for them to get a ring.
Im only upset that Jordan was allowed to blatantly push off . Series goes to 7 its a toss up.
I love that my franchise can stay consistently competitive and make the post season consistently. The Bulls franchise was shit before jordan and it turned to shit after. Thankfully you were "blessed" with the number 1 pick in 08. Lets see how it unfolds. With Boozer as your "go to" post player I doubt Chicago will win a title during the Rose era
When your franchise wins a ring without the GOAT then maybe they can be respectable.
Its not known as the Chicago Bulls. They really should rename that franchsie to the "Michael Jordans"
[QUOTE=Skep]Well when a franchise is gifted with the GOAT its kinda expected for them to get a ring.
Im only upset that Jordan was allowed to blatantly push off . Series goes to 7 its a toss up.
I love that my franchise can stay consistently competitive and make the post season consistently. The Bulls franchise was shit before jordan and it turned to shit after. Thankfully you were "blessed" with the number 1 pick in 08. Lets see how it unfolds. With Boozer as your "go to" post player I doubt Chicago will win a title during the Rose era
When your franchise wins a ring without the GOAT then maybe they can be respectable.
Its not known as the Chicago Bulls. They really should rename that franchsie to the "Michael Jordans"[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a lot of whining and bullshit.
You guys had the leading scorer ever, and one of the best PG's to ever lace em up, a great shot blocker in Mark Eaton, a dead eye shooter in Hornacek, and a great coach....when Jordan played baseball you guys still ain't win shit so miss me with that crap.
The Jazz ain't never winning a chip man just come to grips with the fact that your team is a perennial loser.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Sounds like a lot of whining and bullshit.
[B]You guys had the leading scorer ever[/B], and one of the best PG's to ever lace em up, a great shot blocker in Mark Eaton, a dead eye shooter in Hornacek, and a great coach....when Jordan played baseball you guys still ain't win shit so miss me with that crap.
The Jazz ain't never winning a chip man just come to grips with the fact that your team is a perennial loser.[/QUOTE]
We had Kareem?
Mark Eaton wasnt even on the Jazz roster during their finals run. If he was it wouldve been Utah in 6
Nah my team is great. I love that my franchise is known for hardwork and consistency. Rather than one that could only function if it had the GOAT on it. Im glad my team isnt known for 1 guy that carried it to rings.
[QUOTE=Skep]1.) We had Kareem?
2.) Mark Eaton wasnt even on the Jazz roster during their finals run. If he was it wouldve been Utah in 6
3.) Nah my team is great. I love that my franchise is known for hardwork and consistency. Rather than one that could only function if it had the GOAT on it. Im glad my team isnt known for 1 guy that carried it to rings.[/QUOTE]
1.) My bad....2nd leading scorer ever...over 4,000 more points than MJ and one of the best rebounders ever....and the steals/assists leader.
2.) :roll: :roll: :roll: there you go making me laugh again.
3.) [img]http://photohome.com/pictures/celebrity-pictures/nba-pictures/scottie-pippen-1a.jpg[/img]
Pip says "hi" hater.
Stop lying to yourself....if Jordan played for the Jazz you'd be tongue deep in his ass.
[QUOTE=Soothing Layup]Now compare their first round stats :)
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Yeah cause the oh so mighty Denver Nuggets are a powerhouse defensive team.
Its much harder to score against the Celtics yet Melo had the most amazing "putting scrubs on his back" performance yet and almost by himself beat the Celtics in game 2 at TD Garden.
[QUOTE=rmt]So the league MVP shouldn't be on the all-nba first team? Ridiculous - it should be switch Kobe for Wade.[/QUOTE]
This.
Kobe over Wade this year is almost as comical as Kobe over Dirk in crunch time.
Westbrook didnt deserve 2nd team all nba. I wonder how many OKC homers voted.
D-Will was robbed imo
[QUOTE=jrong]
When Wade had yet another honor stolen from him? [/QUOTE]
So Rose stole the MVP from Wade, and then the All-NBA first team award... What's next, the ECF championship? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Shit will soon get serious! :oldlol:
[QUOTE=GOBB]Westbrook didnt deserve 2nd team all nba. I wonder how many OKC homers voted.[/QUOTE]
Uh, yeah he did. Who deserves it over him? CP3 is the only one who comes close but he had the injury and then his production fell off over the second half of the season. Westbrook had a great year.
[QUOTE=OKCThunderUP]Uh, yeah he did. Who deserves it over him? CP3 is the only one who comes close but he had the injury and then his production fell off over the second half of the season. Westbrook had a great year.[/QUOTE]
CP3 shouldve been on the 2nd team, not Westbrook.
wade and nowitzki got highway robbed.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Its beyond pathetic now.[/QUOTE]
Why you mad brah? :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=Hulk Hogan]Why you mad brah? :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Not mad.
Just disappointed that the NBA has become such a perception based sport where your on court performance just doesn't mean as much as the name on the back of your jersey.
Some day players like Dirk and Wade will get the credit they deserve. Its just going to take some smarter people getting around the game.
Thank god for the stats movement currently going on. That will help a lot of the truly great players get the recognition they deserve.
[QUOTE=Soothing Layup]Now compare their first round stats :)
hehe[/QUOTE]
If that counted in the All NBA selections then I'm sure he would.
Melo had 42 and 17 rebounds in his first round series.
That not including the dimes and blocks.
And that was against arguably one of the best defenses in the NBA.
I'm positive Durant hasn't done that so far.