I think Minny should draft kanter
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I think Minny should draft kanter
Was Irving wearing therapeutic shoes? How did he add nearly two inches of height just by putting on shoes? The soles in his kicks must have been thick as hell.
I prefer to look at the height without shoes number. It takes away the variability of different shoe wear. For instance, both Irving and Williams were the same height without shoes, but Irvings final measurement was nearly an inch taller than D-Will's.
[QUOTE=alexthegr8]Was Irving wearing therapeutic shoes? How did he add nearly two inches of height just by putting on shoes? The soles in his kicks must have been thick as hell.
I prefer to look at the height without shoes number. It takes away the variability of different shoe wear. For instance, both Irving and Williams were the same height without shoes, but Irvings final measurement was nearly an inch taller than D-Will's.[/QUOTE]
They play basketball in shoes. Not sure whats the point of taking into consideration without shoes unless you're inviting them over for a sleep over.
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]you think so? The guy hoards pgs, I would think he would hoard hybrid forwards too?
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i cant believe people are still going with this.
[QUOTE=Darkess]I don't mean to be rude, but when normal people talk about height it's not in shoes.
Shoes change. Your height (hopefully) does not.[/QUOTE]
Well they do happen to wear shoes in the NBA.
[QUOTE=GOBB]They play basketball in shoes. Not sure whats the point of taking into consideration without shoes unless you're inviting them over for a sleep over.[/QUOTE]
because some guys were huge shoes at the combine that they wont ever wear in a game.
hassan whiteside last yea wore flip flops as shoes and measured only 6-11.5
cole aldrich wore huge shoes and measured 6-11.25
in an actual nba game whiteside will have a much bigger height advantage than the above figures would suggest. as he is 1.5 inches taller barefoot.
thats why barefoot makes more sense.
[QUOTE=alexthegr8]Was Irving wearing therapeutic shoes? How did he add nearly two inches of height just by putting on shoes? The soles in his kicks must have been thick as hell.
I prefer to look at the height without shoes number. It takes away the variability of different shoe wear. For instance, both Irving and Williams were the same height without shoes, but Irvings final measurement was nearly an inch taller than D-Will's.[/QUOTE]
It gives you a false barometer, though, when comparing them to current NBA players, whose heights are based on measurements with shoes on. That is why I prefer to look at the shoes measurement. I mean, if you have the barefoot measurement of every player in the NBA, then fine. But, I had to seek out that barefoot measurement for Williams... He is listed at 6-foot-3, even though he was measured at 6'2.75 at the combine with shoes on.
Does that mean Irving will be listed at 6-foot-4?
Regardless, it is shocking to me that Irving and Deron Williams were the same height without shoes. I wasn't even sure that Irving would crack 6' without shoes. Any way you look at it, those measurables were unexpected.
[QUOTE=UtahJazzFan88]Keith Benson is a sleeper pick in the 2nd round if you ask me, he played in the shitty Summit League, but basically Oakland dominated that conference and the tourney because of him.[/QUOTE]
In the biggest game of his career he got worked by a Texas frontline that doesn't feature an NBA-ready player.
WAY too skinny. Not saying he might not mature, but he's D League material right now.
Jeremy Tyler is only 6'9 isn't he? Another Joel Anthony...athletic but no size and skills. Him at center isn't going to do you good and will compete with Joel...
[QUOTE=GOBB]They play basketball in shoes. Not sure whats the point of taking into consideration without shoes unless you're inviting them over for a sleep over.[/QUOTE]
The point is for fair comparison. I can wear high heels for my draft combine and you gonna add 3 inches to my height and make me a center?
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]It gives you a false barometer, though, when comparing them to current NBA players, whose heights are based on measurements with shoes on. That is why I prefer to look at the shoes measurement. I mean, if you have the barefoot measurement of every player in the NBA, then fine. But, I had to seek out that barefoot measurement for Williams... He is listed at 6-foot-3, even though he was measured at 6'2.75 at the combine with shoes on.
Does that mean Irving will be listed at 6-foot-4?
Regardless, it is shocking to me that Irving and Deron Williams were the same height without shoes. I wasn't even sure that Irving would crack 6' without shoes. Any way you look at it, those measurables were unexpected.[/QUOTE]
I've been hearing a lot of people say they thought Irving was too small or, at least, on the smallish side for an NBA PG. And, like you, I've heard people say they figured he'd measure around 6'0" at the combine without shoes. I remember hearing that Irving was in the 6'2" or 6'3" range coming out of high school but didn't really believe it when I first saw him in a Duke game. Of course it's tough to really judge how tall a player is on TV.
Him being a legit 6'2" means he's got more than adequate size to play PG in the NBA. I still don't know if there are concerns with his toe injury or not. I saw where his body fat was over 10% which isn't exactly great, but it is a little understandable since he sat out almost the entire year.
It's happening some kind of Draft Combine now at ESPNU?
[QUOTE=KG215]I've been hearing a lot of people say they thought Irving was too small or, at least, on the smallish side for an NBA PG. And, like you, I've heard people say they figured he'd measure around 6'0" at the combine without shoes. I remember hearing that Irving was in the 6'2" or 6'3" range coming out of high school but didn't really believe it when I first saw him in a Duke game. Of course it's tough to really judge how tall a player is on TV.[/QUOTE]
I think part of the reason for that is Irving's build is a bit stocky. The last few years, the point guards of similar size who have come out (Rose, Wall, Knight this year) all have a rangier, longer build to them, so in essence, it makes them appear taller. Even a guy like Deron Williams, whose relatively barrel chested, has longer limbs making him appear to be taller than Irving.
[QUOTE=steve]I think part of the reason for that is Irving's build is a bit stocky. The last few years, the point guards of similar size who have come out (Rose, Wall, Knight this year) all have a rangier, longer build to them, so in essence, it makes them appear taller. Even a guy like Deron Williams, whose relatively barrel chested, has longer limbs making him appear to be taller than Irving.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he definitely doesn't have a "freakish" wingspan. He's only got a 6'4" wingspan and an 8'3" standing-reach.
[QUOTE=KG215]Yeah, he definitely doesn't have a "freakish" wingspan. He's only got a 6'4" wingspan and an 8'3" standing-reach.[/QUOTE]
...which, once again, are surprising numbers. While the wingspan is shorter than Deron Williams, Irving's reach is actually longer.
Williams' reach -- measured at the combine -- was 8'2".
Let's face it.... Irving doesn't have a single measurable that stacks up poorly against ANY of the elite PGs in the NBA. In fact, his measurables are excellent, across the board.
I made highlights of Jimmer at the combine..
[B]Link:[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY2Xjc7IgXU[/url]