TRADE! Kings trade Omri Casspi, pick to Cavaliers for JJ Hickson

[QUOTE=boozehound]nope. back in the lebron bandwagon days, when 1/3rd of the board seemed to be cavs fans, the overrating of hickson (lebrons future running mate, a beast, blah) was through the roof. Not by you, necc., but the various ig'nant fanbois[/QUOTE]


hickson really came into his own last year as the season wore on, and he got regular 30+ min's and shots. the Hickson you're talking about was extremely wishy washy, and played a lot more scared/less sure of himself. Imo thats a completely different JJ than last year. JJ was a beast last year, especially 2nd half of the season.

i wasn't JJ's biggest fan before last season if anything i'd say he was a bust, but i also think its real hard to play with someone like Lebron and expected to play real well with very limited opportunities.

For those who haven't watched both players this isn't a bad trade. Kings get a veteran player who's a good player but pretty tapped out on potential in my opinion. Cavs get a legit SF which they need very badly (Alonzo Gee....) who has a ton of upside.

Hickson is the better player now, Omri has way more upside. Omri is underrated defensively and his offensive game is pretty. Reminds me of Rudy Fernandez how he can not only bury you from outside... but can drive the lane and dunk on you. Good athlete.. not in the mold of most foreign players.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6t7Qam9Rlk[/url]

Edit: Haha of course his top play of the season was against the Clippers.

[QUOTE=LBJMVP]you realize some experts had thompson as the 3rd best players in the draft right?[/QUOTE]


i don't think many did, i think a lot of teams had him at like #6~

who knows tho, i won't judge more than him being picked earlier than most people thought.

[QUOTE=Godzuki]i don't think many did, i think a lot of teams had him at like #6~

who knows tho, i won't judge more than him being picked earlier than most people thought.[/QUOTE]
Hollinger had him at 3... And maybe Bucher. There were at least two big wigs over at ESPN.com that had Thompson inside their Top 3. I know Hollinger was one... Not sure on the other.

Since the draft, I've read that the Cavs use a rating system similar to the one Hollinger uses when evaluating talent... And that it has been enormously successful for players (not just the ones that they have selected) in the past.

You look at where they got Hickson in the draft... He was arguably the best player on the board, in retrospect.... The same thing goes for Christian Eyenga, who had everyone scratching their heads. Turns out, the guy has crazy potential.

Their last several drafts, they have taken what has turned out to be arguably the best player on the board in retrospect.

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]Insane trade for the kings, just awesome. But how much does it SUCK that they moved beno? You now have a line up of Cousins, Hickson, Salmons, Thornton, and Tyreke with Jimmer as the 6th man.

[B]Why the hell did they move the only pure passer they had?[/B] Keep beno starting and have thornton as a possible 6th man of the year candidate in the future. Then you have a legit passer and floor general with real experience. I love the talent but its gonna be a bunch of former zach randolphs imo. Who ever touches the ball first is FIRING.

Why wouldnt you keep beno, a real pg, and draft leanord? Or if you LOVE jimmer, draft him, but keep beno to have a legit passer. I hate that trade so much.[/QUOTE]

They're obviously not done making moves.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I don't think James was ever the player that I thought he was, so I'm glad he left and I can now hope for him to fail... The more I've thought about it since his latest collapse, he wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland unless we simply overwhelmed the league with talent (which is what Miami is trying to do) and the Cavs were never going to be in a position to do that.

He saved us a lot of heartbreak by taking off.

We may not win a title in the coming years, but at least the expectations won't be there to do so, followed by a huge letdown.[/QUOTE]

Your so butthurt It's not even funny anymore :lol . Glad he left? Yup I'm sure the rest of Cleveland was pumped as well. Reminds me of a guy getting dumped and being crushed but whenever it's brang up it's simply "I don't even care, she was a bitch anyways".

He wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland? What a load of shit. He won 60+ games two years in a row. Ran into a tough Boston team and an Orlando Magic did that had Howard who was a huge mismatch for them. That's what makes the move hilarious. He may never won a ring but a finals app, 2 60 win seasons? He was eventually going to get extremely close.

You may not win a title? No you 100% won't win a title in the next 7 years. I'll bet my life on it. You'll be near the basement next year. Hope you draft a player even close to as good as James. Most likely? You'll just be a playoff team. Who needs expectations, I'd also rather a rebuilding team than a team that's a contender. Magic should probably just dump Dwight Howard now. Save Magic fans the heartbreak because he'll probably never win a ring in Orlando, just win regular season games and maybe make another playoff run or two. Who needs that. Rebuild .. no expectations.

Cleveland fans are a complete and utter joke. Only people that make me laugh when they hate on James. It was you guy's blowing him for 7 years. The only reason he's not the player you thought he was is because he made a joke out of your franchise on live television :oldlol:

[QUOTE=hawkfan]Amazing. One of the reasons the Cavs didn't want to trade for Amare was because they didn't want to give up Hickson.

If they had trade for Amare, LBJ and Amare would both be in Cleveland right now.[/QUOTE]

Nope they both would of left if they lost in the 2010 playoffs anyways.

no team is ever winning a ring with Lebron as a primary option. Ask Miami

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]For those who haven't watched both players this isn't a bad trade. Kings get a veteran player who's a good player but pretty tapped out on potential in my opinion. Cavs get a legit SF which they need very badly (Alonzo Gee....) who has a ton of upside.

Hickson is the better player now, Omri has way more upside. Omri is underrated defensively and his offensive game is pretty. Reminds me of Rudy Fernandez how he can not only bury you from outside... but can drive the lane and dunk on you. Good athlete.. not in the mold of most foreign players.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6t7Qam9Rlk[/url]

Edit: Haha of course his top play of the season was against the Clippers.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't necessarily call 3 years pro a 'veteran'...

[QUOTE=kaiiu]no team is ever winning a ring with Lebron as a primary option. Ask Miami[/QUOTE]

You mean the team that made the finals? The same place LeBron was with Cleveland? Guy has the mental stability of a 14 year old girl but there's no denying he can get you there. He did it with a stacked team in Miami and did it in Cleveland.

It's like people actually think there is parody in the NBA. Getting to the finals is a HUGE accomplishment for a team. I've never seen Denver in the finals and I doubt I will in the next 10 years. Hate LeBron for being a choker or a mental midget. Douchebag or whatever. Cleveland fans acting like ohhh what we didn't even want him and didn't do anything for us. Can't win a ring with him as your number 1 anyways. You guy's are treating him like he was Rudy Gay or something.

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Your so butthurt It's not even funny anymore :lol . Glad he left? Yup I'm sure the rest of Cleveland was pumped as well. Reminds me of a guy getting dumped and being crushed but whenever it's brang up it's simply "I don't even care, she was a bitch anyways".

He wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland? What a load of shit. He won 60+ games two years in a row. Ran into a tough Boston team and an Orlando Magic did that had Howard who was a huge mismatch for them. That's what makes the move hilarious. He may never won a ring but a finals app, 2 60 win seasons? He was eventually going to get extremely close.

You may not win a title? No you 100% won't win a title in the next 7 years. I'll bet my life on it. You'll be near the basement next year. Hope you draft a player even close to as good as James. Most likely? You'll just be a playoff team. Who needs expectations, I'd also rather a rebuilding team than a team that's a contender. Magic should probably just dump Dwight Howard now. Save Magic fans the heartbreak because he'll probably never win a ring in Orlando, just win regular season games and maybe make another playoff run or two. Who needs that. Rebuild .. no expectations.

Cleveland fans are a complete and utter joke. Only people that make me laugh when they hate on James. It was you guy's blowing him for 7 years. The only reason he's not the player you thought he was is because he made a joke out of your franchise on live television :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


:applause: :applause: :applause: Fcuking owned that butthurt Cleveland fan lmao...


Cavs just making terrible moves this offseason. Drafting that garbage guy at pick no.4 and then trading one of their top 2 players for a freaking Anthony Parker 2.0

The biggest problem with this trade is that Hickson is only 22. He's basically the age of a college graduate. You just don't give up on a very talented young post player like that. You can't.

[QUOTE=wheatonbrando]The biggest problem with this trade is that Hickson is only 22. He's basically the age of a college graduate. You just don't give up on a very talented young post player like that. You can't.[/QUOTE]

Hickson is like 3 months younger than Casspi and has more NBA experience.

Power Forwards are dime a dozen in the NBA, it's the most bloated position in the league. Especially power forwards who can score 13 points on 45% shooting playing for the worst team in the league.

I think the only starters in the NBA who wouldn't be able to do that are Humphries and whoever starts for Phoenix.

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Your so butthurt It's not even funny anymore :lol . Glad he left? Yup I'm sure the rest of Cleveland was pumped as well. Reminds me of a guy getting dumped and being crushed but whenever it's brang up it's simply "I don't even care, she was a bitch anyways".

He wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland? What a load of shit. He won 60+ games two years in a row. Ran into a tough Boston team and an Orlando Magic did that had Howard who was a huge mismatch for them. That's what makes the move hilarious. He may never won a ring but a finals app, 2 60 win seasons? He was eventually going to get extremely close.

You may not win a title? No you 100% won't win a title in the next 7 years. I'll bet my life on it. You'll be near the basement next year. Hope you draft a player even close to as good as James. Most likely? You'll just be a playoff team. Who needs expectations, I'd also rather a rebuilding team than a team that's a contender. Magic should probably just dump Dwight Howard now. Save Magic fans the heartbreak because he'll probably never win a ring in Orlando, just win regular season games and maybe make another playoff run or two. Who needs that. Rebuild .. no expectations.

Cleveland fans are a complete and utter joke. Only people that make me laugh when they hate on James. It was you guy's blowing him for 7 years. The only reason he's not the player you thought he was is because he made a joke out of your franchise on live television :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly expect anyone to read all of that drivel? I mean, it would be one thing if it was written by a poster that was -- you know -- worth a sh!t... But, you have to know your place and post accordingly.

That is a bunch of wasted keystrokes.

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Your so butthurt It's not even funny anymore :lol . Glad he left? Yup I'm sure the rest of Cleveland was pumped as well. Reminds me of a guy getting dumped and being crushed but whenever it's brang up it's simply "I don't even care, she was a bitch anyways".

He wasn't ever going to win being the primary piece in Cleveland? What a load of shit. He won 60+ games two years in a row. Ran into a tough Boston team and an Orlando Magic did that had Howard who was a huge mismatch for them. That's what makes the move hilarious. He may never won a ring but a finals app, 2 60 win seasons? He was eventually going to get extremely close.

You may not win a title? No you 100% won't win a title in the next 7 years. I'll bet my life on it. You'll be near the basement next year. Hope you draft a player even close to as good as James. Most likely? You'll just be a playoff team. Who needs expectations, I'd also rather a rebuilding team than a team that's a contender. Magic should probably just dump Dwight Howard now. Save Magic fans the heartbreak because he'll probably never win a ring in Orlando, just win regular season games and maybe make another playoff run or two. Who needs that. Rebuild .. no expectations.

Cleveland fans are a complete and utter joke. Only people that make me laugh when they hate on James. It was you guy's blowing him for 7 years. The only reason he's not the player you thought he was is because he made a joke out of your franchise on live television :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

You're a short sighted fool. I totally agree with that guy. I wasn't happy James left, but it's a year past now and I'm over it and I am able to look at the positives. One of those positives is this: he was no Jordan. He was a Pippen. And Pippen doesn't win titles on his own. FACT. We weren't going anywhere with him.

Saying I'm glad he left is not entirely true, but **** if I'm unable to see the positives of it.

In fact I think the parting of ways was mutually beneficial for both the Cavs, who got rid of a quitter and a guy who refused to commit and thus handicapped the team, and for LeBron, who went to a team that will actually win a title.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I spend time thinking about basketball. Over the last year? Yea, I actually do like what the Cavs have done.

I was talking about the previous 7. I don't like their draft this year, but its a crap shoot anyway with level of talent of this years' class.

The only thing I ever had against the Cavs/fans is when people tried to act like the team did a great job building the team around Lebron. I thought they did a crap job.

Just like I think the Mavs did a pretty crap job building around Dirk for a good 7 year stretch.[/QUOTE]

Hindsight is 20/20, they did a crap job in hindsight but look at what they had to work with: no good draft picks and a superstar who REFUSED to commit to the team or recruit players.

[QUOTE=ctown4eva]You're a short sighted fool. I totally agree with that guy. I wasn't happy James left, but it's a year past now and I'm over it and I am able to look at the positives. One of those positives is this: he was no Jordan. He was a Pippen. And Pippen doesn't win titles on his own. FACT. We weren't going anywhere with him.

Saying I'm glad he left is not entirely true, but **** if I'm unable to see the positives of it.

In fact I think the parting of ways was mutually beneficial for both the Cavs, who got rid of a quitter and a guy who refused to commit and thus handicapped the team, and for LeBron, who went to a team that will actually win a title.[/QUOTE]

Do you honestly expect anyone to read all of that drivel? I mean, it would be one thing if it was written by a poster that was -- you know -- worth a sh!t... But, you have to know your place and post accordingly.

That is a bunch of wasted keystrokes.

real talks.

Lebron cant win with Wade and Bosh. No way in hell was he winning with Hickson. He needs Magic and Bird

[QUOTE=TylerOO]Do you honestly expect anyone to read all of that drivel? I mean, it would be one thing if it was written by a poster that was -- you know -- worth a sh!t... But, you have to know your place and post accordingly.

That is a bunch of wasted keystrokes.[/QUOTE]

The equivalent of a decent sized paragraph is beyond your reading comprehension, you take the time to still reply to it anyways, AND THEN... [i]and then!!![/i] ... you decide to insult me for not being a regular poster.

:facepalm

Are these forums that bad?

Oh Cleveland...

"[I]The first round pick acquired from Sacramento is lottery-protected in 2012 (1-14). The pick is then protected in 2013 (1-13), 2014 (1-12) and 2015-2017 (1-10). If the pick is not conveyed by 2017, then Sacramento will convey its own 2017 second round draft pick to the Cavaliers protected (56-60)[/I]."

Wow.
I don't know, Hickson was having some bad spells earlier in the season, but when Scott f[COLOR="Black"]uc[/COLOR]king set him straight he was scoring double-doubles at will almost. But that protection bs is....I just vomited a lil'

[QUOTE=ctown4eva]The equivalent of a decent sized paragraph is beyond your reading comprehension, you take the time to still reply to it anyways, AND THEN... [i]and then!!![/i] ... you decide to insult me for not being a regular poster.

:facepalm

Are these forums that bad?[/QUOTE]

Apparently you didnt see a couple posts before yours. I was mocking that butthurt Clevelander. Chill out there little guy.

[QUOTE=TylerOO]Apparently you didnt see a couple posts before yours. I was mocking that butthurt Clevelander. Chill out there little guy.[/QUOTE]

I missed it- but I still agree with his original point.

That Nuggets guy is a retard.

[QUOTE=ctown4eva]I missed it- but I still agree with his original point.

That Nuggets guy is a retard.[/QUOTE]

Maybe in your guys opinion. But that RedBlack guy is acting like he is on a high horse cause he post here 24/7

What's Sac's depth chart looking like right now?

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]What's Sac's depth chart looking like right now?[/QUOTE]

Evans/Fredette
Thornton/Garcia
Salmons/Donte Greene
Hickson/Thompson
Cousins

Thats my guess.

OK I'm not here to get into the weekly LeBron bs, just wanted to comment on this now that it is official. This is probably the first deal we have made I did not like in several years. I just do not see the reasoning and Sac def got the better deal, good job by them. Hopefully Casspi can work out for us at the 3, Eyenga and Harangody can play with him with Jamison, Tristan and Samules running the 4. Nothing to kick myself over or be "butt hurt" over like Heat fans would say but don't like the deal.

[QUOTE=TylerOO]Maybe in your guys opinion. But that RedBlack guy is acting like he is on a high horse cause he post here 24/7[/QUOTE]

Ok that's fine if you think that, all I care about is his point he made and I agree with it. He's right. And really, is it that hard to see that it was mutually beneficial for Cavs and Bron to split up? He wasnt gonna win a title, and he was detrimental to the Cavs as they were detrimental to him in that manner.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]no team is ever winning a ring with Lebron as a primary option. Ask Miami[/QUOTE]

You mean the team that won the Eastern Conference Finals and came within 2 wins of winning a ring? Ok, I'l ask Miami. Because they are returning their core and will look to add on with what they have to be better next season.

I'll wait for Lebron to win a ring as the primary option and you'll wait for Clevland to get to the NBA Finals (just make an appearance). Guess who'll be waiting longer? And guess who'll make bogus excuses when a certain someone wins the ring by saying [I]"He wasnt the primary option imo"[/I].

[QUOTE=TylerOO]Evans/Fredette
Thornton/Garcia
Salmons/Donte Greene
Hickson/Thompson
Cousins

Thats my guess.[/QUOTE]

Hmm that's not too bad. They should pick up a big though since I'm not sure how well Cousins would play at C for the whole year.

I liked the team last year and kept tabs because of Cousins, but now they have Salmons too... Plus all of these young guys, so it'll be interesting.

[QUOTE=TylerOO]Evans/Fredette
Thornton/Garcia
Salmons/Donte Greene
Hickson/Thompson
Cousins

Thats my guess.[/QUOTE]

Thornton resigned or is that your guess?

[QUOTE=GOBB]Thornton resigned or is that your guess?[/QUOTE]

I didnt even know he was a free agent lol. If he doesnt resign, I wouldnt be surprised if they moved Tyreke to the 2. Or maybe they will just start Garcia.

they already said they will move tyreke to the 2 or 3. jimmer will start at PG.

Jimmer
Salmons
Tyreke
Hickson
Cousins

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Do you honestly expect anyone to read all of that drivel? I mean, it would be one thing if it was written by a poster that was -- you know -- worth a sh!t... But, you have to know your place and post accordingly.

That is a bunch of wasted keystrokes.[/QUOTE]

Gotta love the rebuttal. What determines a poster being "worth a shit"? Just curious. Is it because I think it's hilarious how Cleveland fans act towards LeBron? How does one know his place on a messageboard?.

Either struck a nerve witch is very possible because well it's about LeBron or you take ISH and your opinion pretty serious :lol

[QUOTE=GOBB]Thornton resigned or is that your guess?[/QUOTE]

He's likely to be resigned, because everybody loves him here and we have enough cap space to sign him to a nice contract.

And the Kings still plan on adding another big man through free agency.

[QUOTE=ctown4eva]We weren't going anywhere with him.
[/QUOTE]

That makes no sense. You had two 60 win seasons, playoff success, finals app. Some people act like Cleveland didn't have talent around him .. witch I think is bullshit. They had a good team around him, nothing spectacular tho. Nothing surrounded him that locked him into the success that the Cavs had.

I'm not saying don't look at the positives and be optimistic. Not saying don't rag on him for being the douche that he is. Saying ridiculous things like we weren't going anywhere with him? We weren't going to win a championship with him as our primary option so I don't care that he's gone? When the fact of the matter is Cleveland as a whole had a breakdown when he left and if he had stayed you guy's would be right there contending having a better shot at a ring than 90% of the teams in the league. If that's nothing, and that doesn't matter than what does? And If LeBron can't win a ring as a primary option than who can? Very few people.

Scratch that.

You are a worthless poster. You should really know your place on ISH

Am I doing it right RBA? I don't agree with his stance so probably better off to say something like that, than actually come up with a response .. that after all is just senseless drivel :bowdown:

Bron took Cleveland to the Finals twice and one time with a roster I quite frankly know how the hell he even did it. To say Cavs werent going nowhere with Bron when they were a successful team with him is funny.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Bron took Cleveland to the Finals twice and one time with a roster I quite frankly know how the hell he even did it. To say Cavs werent going nowhere with Bron when they were a successful team with him is funny.[/QUOTE]

Once, dawg. Did you mean twice, one with Miami and once with Cleveland?

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]That makes no sense. You had two 60 win seasons, playoff success, finals app. Some people act like Cleveland didn't have talent around him .. witch I think is bullshit. They had a good team around him, nothing spectacular tho. Nothing surrounded him that locked him into the success that the Cavs had.

I'm not saying don't look at the positives and be optimistic. Not saying don't rag on him for being the douche that he is. Saying ridiculous things like we weren't going anywhere with him? We weren't going to win a championship with him as our primary option so I don't care that he's gone? When the fact of the matter is Cleveland as a whole had a breakdown when he left and if he had stayed you guy's would be right there contending having a better shot at a ring than 90% of the teams in the league. If that's nothing, and that doesn't matter than what does? And If LeBron can't win a ring as a primary option than who can? Very few people.

Scratch that.

You are a worthless poster. You should really know your place on ISH

Am I doing it right RBA? I don't agree with his stance so probably better off to say something like that, than actually come up with a response .. that after all is just senseless drivel :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

You are right. These Cleveland clowns are retarded and in denial.

[QUOTE]The first round pick acquired from Sacramento is lottery-protected in 2012 (1-14). The pick is then protected in 2013 (1-13), 2014 (1-12) and 2015-2017 (1-10). If the pick is not conveyed by 2017, then Sacramento will convey its own 2017 second round draft pick to the Cavaliers protected (56-60). [/QUOTE]


Here is the draft compensation.

LOL I hope sacremento is awful for the next 6 years and then in year 7 wins the championship. Cleveland would never see the pick. :roll: