Analysis and reactions to Deron Williams signing with team in Turkey

[QUOTE=tpols]That the thing though.. the NBA season may not start for 6 or so months.:oldlol: He's got PLENTY of time to play and rest.[/QUOTE]

If im a net fan im not giving a shit that Deron gets to earn another $200k a month when we already pay him (or are going to $13M a year. If he gets hurt, they are ****ed. Considering he sat out games for injury to make sure he was healthy for next year there is no way id want him playing games for another team. :confusedshrug: I hear what you are saying, and im 100% sure you are not a Net fan.

[QUOTE=niko]If im a net fan im not giving a shit that Deron gets to earn another $200k a month when we already pay him (or are going to $13M a year. If he gets hurt, they are ****ed. Considering he sat out games for injury to make sure he was healthy for next year there is no way id want him playing games for another team. :confusedshrug: I hear what you are saying, and im 100% sure you are not a Net fan.[/QUOTE]
It's not about the money.. Right now Deron is showing an interest in basketball. That is all I care about. I want to see my star player excited to play because he actually has every reason to not be excited seeing as how we don't really have a great squad around him.

And after all the fighting I've done with you Knick fans since last summer with the lebron drama, to this year with the melo drama, and a million different times in between I really dont care if you dont think I'm a net fan. I've probably been to more nets games in the past couple years than you've been to knicks games in your whole life. :oldlol:

[lol @ espn saying derons not going to like it there and will be back in 1 week. they are saying he will be like iverson who didnt like the food , his family hated the place, no one spoke english. iverson and deron are completely different, for one iverson's ghetto and dresses like he got out of prision.

[QUOTE=niko]If im a net fan im not giving a shit that Deron gets to earn another $200k a month when we already pay him (or are going to $13M a year. If he gets hurt, they are ****ed. Considering he sat out games for injury to make sure he was healthy for next year there is no way id want him playing games for another team. :confusedshrug: I hear what you are saying, and im 100% sure you are not a Net fan.[/QUOTE]

I'd deff rather Deron playing basketball and not sitting around partying and getting out of shape during the lockout If I was a Nets fan. Most players are still going to be doing big time workouts, running games with friends etc. People are still going to be playing basketball. Makes sense to go play structured basketball and make 200k while doing so.

Sure Deron could get injured or hurt his wrist. He could also get in shape and not skip a beat so when the season comes back on(let's say a shortened season) he'll have NO rust. Wait and see, tons of these guy's will come out rusty as f*ck. In a shortened season? I'd say it's a pretty big advantage having your superstar walking off one basketball court and on to another.

Plus even tho Euro teams get ripped on still never know what you'll learn over there.

now where will agent 0 bring his talents...

[QUOTE]agentzeroshow Gilbert A. aka Jefe
rumor is DWill has a contract to play overseas if the lockout continues pass oct 1st...he aint the only one u know ya boy Agent has one also[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]I'd deff rather Deron playing basketball and not sitting around partying and getting out of shape during the lockout If I was a Nets fan. Most players are still going to be doing big time workouts, running games with friends etc. People are still going to be playing basketball. Makes sense to go play structured basketball and make 200k while doing so.

Sure Deron could get injured or hurt his wrist. He could also get in shape and not skip a beat so when the season comes back on(let's say a shortened season) he'll have NO rust. Wait and see, tons of these guy's will come out rusty as f*ck. In a shortened season? I'd say it's a pretty big advantage having your superstar walking off one basketball court and on to another.

Plus even tho Euro teams get ripped on still never know what you'll learn over there.[/QUOTE]I Agree with Niko. Deron can still train here [url]http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/6/29/2251494/california-dreamin-could-help-nets[/url],
Plus he just came off of Wrist Surgery which he sat out the end of the season, to make sure hes ready for the next season.

Kobe to same team? Supposedly Besikta coach gonna talk to him according to report on Scott Van Pelt radio show.

[QUOTE=D12"Magic"]I Agree with Niko. Deron can still train here [url]http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/6/29/2251494/california-dreamin-could-help-nets[/url],
Plus he just came off of Wrist Surgery which he sat out the end of the season, to make sure hes ready for the next season.[/QUOTE]

Guy's are human. They'll be partying, relaxing and that's far worse than playing over in Europe. Expecting Deron to go work out in NJ hardcore(witch may I still add could end up with him hurt too, if he's THAT fragile he can't play in Europe) for free during a lockout? Unrealistic. Him playing in Europe getting in shape, ready for the season for 200k a month? Not that far fetched.

Rather risk an injury than have him come in out of shape and off his game with a shortened season. Next season is huge for NJ. They have a shitty year and Deron probably walks. Having Deron come in ready to go from day 1, fresh off the courts? Could end up giving NJ that extra push in the W|L collom that ends up helping Deron stay. Esp when you factor in if there is a season it'll probably be alot shorter and the reg season games(from day 1 when there will be tons of rust) will have a huge impact on where you finish.

[QUOTE=D12"Magic"]I Agree with Niko. Deron can still train here [url]http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/6/29/2251494/california-dreamin-could-help-nets[/url],
Plus he just came off of Wrist Surgery which he sat out the end of the season, to make sure hes ready for the next season.[/QUOTE]
The last two seasons he's been beaten up near the end of the year something awful, both times on the wrist. I'm glad he enjoys playing, but everyone's excitement over all of this is going to be much less when one of their favorite players isn't able to play when the lockout is over due to an injury he got in a meaningless game overseas (meaningless for the NBA fan that is). He sat out Net games to rest up specifically for the next season. And instead, he's going to play in Turkey, for a fraction of what the Nets pay him.

You can tell these NBA players don't have shit for money sense, because to me this is a vacation. So what, you miss a few months. You see the world, play with your kids, do all the shit you can't do for 6 months. Nope they need the cash.

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Guy's are human. They'll be partying, relaxing and that's far worse than playing over in Europe. Expecting Deron to go work out in NJ hardcore(witch may I still add could end up with him hurt too, if he's THAT fragile he can't play in Europe) for free during a lockout? Unrealistic. Him playing in Europe getting in shape, ready for the season for 200k a month? Not that far fetched.

Rather risk an injury than have him come in out of shape and off his game with a shortened season. Next season is huge for NJ. They have a shitty year and Deron probably walks. Having Deron come in ready to go from day 1, fresh off the courts? Could end up giving NJ that extra push in the W|L collom that ends up helping Deron stay. Esp when you factor in if there is a season it'll probably be alot shorter and the reg season games(from day 1 when there will be tons of rust) will have a huge impact on where you finish.[/QUOTE]
That's fair but then if he gets injured and were back in the Losing Column ?, Does he not have enough cash? He could spend time with his family but nope.

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Guy's are human. They'll be partying, relaxing and that's far worse than playing over in Europe. Expecting Deron to go work out in NJ hardcore(witch may I still add could end up with him hurt too, if he's THAT fragile he can't play in Europe) for free during a lockout? Unrealistic. Him playing in Europe getting in shape, ready for the season for 200k a month? Not that far fetched.

Rather risk an injury than have him come in out of shape and off his game with a shortened season. Next season is huge for NJ. They have a shitty year and Deron probably walks. Having Deron come in ready to go from day 1, fresh off the courts? Could end up giving NJ that extra push in the W|L collom that ends up helping Deron stay. Esp when you factor in if there is a season it'll probably be alot shorter and the reg season games(from day 1 when there will be tons of rust) will have a huge impact on where you finish.[/QUOTE]
or he could jam the wrist, come in out of shape, NJ sucks and he leaves because they never accomplished anything.

Let me ask you - if Nene plays overseas and gets hurt, do you still offer him same contract?

I'd like Amare and Melo to work out together, take a long extended vacation. Yes, you can get hurt crossing the street but clearly it's much much much less of a chance. There is a reason players are fresh at the beginning of the season and not the end.

I'm not saying it's bad, i'm sying from a total selfish fan of a team perspective, my big stars, i want them only to play meaningful games for my team. And as much as you argue, you'll wish you could take it back in a second if it's your team and your star and they get hurt.

[QUOTE=MeLO MvP 15]Is AI still playing for them? I know he's had injury problems there and some other issues... but he's still on the roster right?

In a lockout I'd watch a team with AI, DWill and Zaza. That would be fun.[/QUOTE]

Iverson won't play for Besiktas anymore. He got injured and decided to get threatment in USA. Doesn't want to come back and wants to be in USA.

Zaza came to NBA from Turkey.He has turkish citizenship.It's not a big surprise.

I doubt DWill sign up with Besiktas. But you never know, Besiktas's chairman loves to add big names.They added Iverson & wanted Shaq last year.

[QUOTE=niko]or he could jam the wrist, come in out of shape, NJ sucks and he leaves because they never accomplished anything.

Let me ask you - if Nene plays overseas and gets hurt, do you still offer him same contract?

I'd like Amare and Melo to work out together, take a long extended vacation. Yes, you can get hurt crossing the street but clearly it's much much much less of a chance. There is a reason players are fresh at the beginning of the season and not the end.

I'm not saying it's bad, i'm sying from a total selfish fan of a team perspective, my big stars, i want them only to play meaningful games for my team. And as much as you argue, you'll wish you could take it back in a second if it's your team and your star and they get hurt.[/QUOTE]

Ya I see your guy's side. I just wouldn't be that worried about it. If it was Melo last year on the Nuggets? I'd want his ass out there instead of risking the chance of him getting out of shape as hell. We all say .. go spend time with your family. Reality? There on Vacation like you said. There probably not at disney land for the majority of the time but out at bars, clubs, events, socializing. Lockout ends and these guy's come back not in game mode. I just think I'd risk an injury that could happen in a workout too for my player to be in gamemode rather than out of shape and rusty. If I was in the Net's situation anyways, same with the Magic. Plus it's not like it's the offseason. Deron would have been playing for the Net's anyways. Like people forget when this Euro shit stars the offseason is actually over and the NBA season SHOULD be starting. Deron has the same chance of injuring his wrist over there as he does when he comes back for the first 10-15 games in the NBA.

Danilo is chilling on the beach in Italy last time I checked(was awhile ago). I'd rather him rocking some ball and working on his game even if it was in Europe. And he's far more injury prone than Deron.

Only time it becomes an issue is if the contract is locked in witch this isn't. Just my two sense tho, I can fully understand fans not wanting guy's to rock oversea's ball and I'm sure your right about the nets organization as well. Look at I think SA? Pops and co use to be pissed when Parker and Gino rocked any kind of Euro ball.

[QUOTE=trig]now where will agent 0 bring his talents...[/QUOTE]
Nah he was joking I think. His next tweet was about signing with a YMCA team lol.

Besides, Arenas really should be one of the last ppl going to Europe. He's got tons of money and a lot injury problems.

[QUOTE=niko]or he could jam the wrist, come in out of shape, NJ sucks and he leaves because they never accomplished anything.
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You're acting like it's a definite that he gets hurt. It's not. you're purely looking at only the negative side of this ordeal.. while us reasonable people look at both sides.

Take that, Nets fans. He committed to a team overseas before committing to your franchise. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=YAH trick YAH]Kobe to same team? Supposedly Besikta coach gonna talk to him according to report on Scott Van Pelt radio show.[/QUOTE]

If they play together in Europe they will play together in the US...

I really hope we see Kobe and some other big names (hopefully no Knicks, don't want injuries) go to Turkey just so we get some exciting basketball. I know I'd watch a team with Deron and Kobe.

[QUOTE=MeLO MvP 15]I really hope we see Kobe and some other big names [B](hopefully no Knicks, don't want injuries)[/B] go to Turkey just so we get some exciting basketball. I know I'd watch a team with Deron and Kobe.[/QUOTE]
See, it's not just me.

best off going to euroleague and winning a title and mvp there

Besiktas failed to meet payroll last year causing the team to walk out on them.

I seriously doubt Deron actually goes over there.

In Turkey, they are already calling Deron Williams "The Hedo Turkoglu of America".

[QUOTE=bagelred]In Turkey, they are already calling Deron Williams "The Hedo Turkoglu of America".[/QUOTE]

:roll:

And that is why Americans tend to not take Euroball seriously.

[QUOTE=Faberg]Take that, Nets fans. He committed to a team overseas before committing to your franchise. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:lol

i hope melo plays with him there, dude needs to get in shape

I love this move for D-Will. Sends a message to the owners that your star players are willing to put themselves in a situation to show-case themselves outside of the NBA and potentially get hurt simply because of the contract disputes between the owners and players. Every single game Deron plays in Europe, every single point, game-winner, monetary profit that Turkey receives should push the owners to get this lock-out fixed as much as possible. These are the best players in the world, and they deserve to play in the NBA, not in Europe.

For D-Will, aside from potential injury which is given everytime you step on the court, there really is no pressure on his side. Once the lock-out ends, his Turkey contract ensures he can immediately head back to New Jersey. If the lock-out continues, he is guaranteed to make 5 mil in just one year of play overseas. Smart ass move and I hope more NBA players do this as the weeks progress to continue putting pressure to END THIS LOCKOUT.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]No he would not. Best in the Eurocup or Turkish League? Sure. Best in the Euroleague? No.[/QUOTE]

Who would be? Two time Euroleague MVP Anthony Parker? lol

Deron, Wade, LeBron, Dirk and Dwight should temporarily sign on some Euroleague team for scraps while they lockout settles itself. It'll be like the 2004 Olympics all over again.

Why are people worried about injuries??? He playing basketball during a time when he would be playing basketball anyway. He is just playing a season worth of basketball like he's been during his whole career. Not like its extra basketball like it is with FIBA and the Olympics...

[QUOTE=Kellogs4toniee]I love this move for D-Will. Sends a message to the owners that your star players are willing to put themselves in a situation to show-case themselves outside of the NBA and potentially get hurt simply because of the contract disputes between the owners and players. Every single game Deron plays in Europe, every single point, game-winner, monetary profit that Turkey receives should push the owners to get this lock-out fixed as much as possible. These are the best players in the world, and they deserve to play in the NBA, not in Europe.

For D-Will, aside from potential injury which is given everytime you step on the court, there really is no pressure on his side. Once the lock-out ends, his Turkey contract ensures he can immediately head back to New Jersey. If the lock-out continues, he is guaranteed to make 5 mil in just one year of play overseas. Smart ass move and I hope more NBA players do this as the weeks progress to continue putting pressure to END THIS LOCKOUT.[/QUOTE]

absolutely agreed. Deron made a smart decision for himself and for other players to follow suit. Who cares if some euro club signed some scrub player or an european playing in the NBA. But when you actually sign an all-star like Deron, other players will start to follow suit, if the offers are there. Im hoping more and more players threaten to do so.

[QUOTE=DuMa]absolutely agreed. Deron made a smart decision for himself and for other players to follow suit. Who cares if some euro club signed some scrub player or an european playing in the NBA. But when you actually sign an all-star like Deron, other players will start to follow suit, if the offers are there. Im hoping more and more players threaten to do so.[/QUOTE]
unless he gets hurt and his $34M on his contract gets voided. Other than that i agree with you.

Good for him.. I doubt he wants to spend his prime sitting on his couch all day. I'll probably even try to watch some of his games if this happens.

[QUOTE=MeLO MvP 15]Nah he was joking I think. His next tweet was about signing with a YMCA team lol.

Besides, Arenas really should be one of the last ppl going to Europe. He's got tons of money and a lot injury problems.[/QUOTE]

yeah, his next tweet was

[QUOTE]agentzeroshow Gilbert A. aka Jefe
if i did play sum where it would be the Philippines they love basketball u will feel like a rockstar and they hav my fav dessert HALO HALO[/QUOTE]

Halo-halo is awesome. If you're in LA, try chowking halo-halo :rockon:

Smart move by D-Will if this is true. There won't be many teams in Europe offering $5 million contracts with a lockout-clause in it, good on him for getting this out of the way early. If a lot of NBA players are planning to do this, many of them will probably have to settle for less.



The risks involved are overstated imo.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]No he would not. Best in the Eurocup or Turkish League? Sure. Best in the Euroleague? No.[/QUOTE]
2 of the best teams of the euroleague are efes pilsen and fenerbahce and they are turkish teams
and deron could be the mvp of euroleague, it is not that diffcult at all

[QUOTE=Sampsonsimpson]Who would be? Two time Euroleague MVP Anthony Parker? lol[/QUOTE]
you're such a dum. there is different game in europe than in nba. different rules dictate different requirements. how can't you grasp that. ignorant dork.

[QUOTE=niko]unless he gets hurt and his $34M on his contract gets voided. Other than that i agree with you.[/QUOTE]
Lol no, Nets are not voiding his contract unless DWill has a career ending injury.

He is basically recouping some of the money he is losing because of the lockout by taking that extremely small chance of a career ending injury, which does not all of a sudden increase because he is playing in Turkey. by any measure it's a smart business decision.

[QUOTE=niko]unless he gets hurt and his $34M on his contract gets voided. Other than that i agree with you.[/QUOTE]

DWill can get a broken ankle and some team in NBA is still gonna pay him big dollars and yes even the Nets. Injures are apart of the game and an injured star will still get a huge contract.

[QUOTE=tpols]And maybe if you're team wasn't filled with low IQ, selfish, no defense playing volume scorers, you'd win a playoff series for the first time in 11+ years. It's been a long drought.. possibly the longest active streak?:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=bluechox2]best off going to euroleague and winning a title and mvp there[/QUOTE]

Besiktas is not a Euroleague team.