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That trailer was more like an extended teaser, not a single scene that lasted for over 3 seconds, no real display of action or set pieces. Just overly dramatic narrative and emo Superman scenes, trailer felt like Family Guy with all the scene jumping.
Ehh.
Not bad but not impressed.
Superman movies becoming too Emo.
[QUOTE=Jordan-esque]
#1 - Clark's dad, Jonathan Kent (Kevin Costner's) line about maybe letting the kids die, that didn't sit very well. Too overly dramatic.[/quote]
Why is that overly dramatic? He's essentially saying be careful who you show these abilities to because it will frighten people and they will come for you.
He then says "whatever type of person you choose to be, good character or bad, you'll change the world"
Unlike Jor-El who says "hey, you're destined to do this', Pa-Kent is saying "this is your decision on who to be" ... he's giving the control of his life BACK to Clark. That's a great father figure. He's just reminding him of potential reactions.
[QUOTE=Jordan-esque]2 - The last line about being rejected by the world, can you say X-Men? They're going with the whole "people are afraid of you."[/quote]
Can you say SUPERMAN?
This element has been in the comics for quite sometime. Especially the good ones IE Birthright, etc.
Like all great Chris Nolan / David Goyer fantasies, they ask what would happen if you took this fantastic and completely un-realistic concept, and put it smack dab in the middle of OUR recognizable world. What would happen?
In TDK trilogy? Batman is hunted by the cops, the mob, master criminals, copy cat vigilantes, and terrorists. People's opinions differ on the value he brings to Gotham. Some believe it's good, some believe it's bad.
Needless to say, he has ACTUAL impact. It makes the material more serious, and for the audience believable. People, and events respond to his presence in our world. The audience in turn takes the drama more seriously, and makes things more exciting.
Same goes for Superman but to a greater extent. It's not just how one city reacts to him, Superman's abilities make him a GLOBAL THREAT if he wasn't such a good guy.
And the US military doesn't know if he's good or bad, so it makes sense they would seek out such a potential threat to our existence.
This makes the material more interesting, and GASP gives the most powerful mainstream superhero character obstacles to overcome. What if he has to fight the US military at the same time as having to save lives and battle Zod and an alien invasion.
He's polarizing because of his monumental abilities, so of course in reality some people would believe him to be a christ like figure, and others (possible majority) would be absolutely of afraid of a man with such god like abilities.
If anything, this LOGICAL approach to how people would react to a Superman figure makes things 100% more interesting. As opposed to Superman:TM where everyone blindly accepts him (apart from Luthor) ...
It adds nice tension, and angst within the character. Why is this a concern? And people being afraid of a powerful character isn't inherent to X-Men.
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Jordan-esque]3 - Superman de-humanization by being taken into custody, etc. feels like the studio will be force feeding us the audience of the relatability of Superman, kind of like "hey guys, we know Superman is so powerful and all but look, he has feelings too." It's fine, I just hope they don't keep shoving it in our faces throughout the film.[/quote]
That's the only way that's plausible to relate an alien from another planet who has god like powers to the audience.
You humanize him by putting him through internal struggles as well as external. Who am I in this world? What's my niche? These questions Clark asks of himself are the same things we go through.
Him getting taken into custody by the US Military is just used to show Superman willingly trying to show folks he's not here to harm US ... he's not the Batman. He doesn't fight police officers.
He's trying to show people he's good natured. He's wholesome. A genuine good guy. He doesn't walk any line between hero and obsessive / frightening vigilante the way Batman does.
How his Superman being taken into custody de-humanizing him, btw? If anything, that is very consciously HUMANIZING him. A Man of Steel wouldn't be arrested if he didn't want to be. Regular people get arrested by people of authority all the time. Sometimes for misunderstood reasons.
LOVED the new teaser trailer. Clearly the "Batman Begins" but for Superman. Iconic casting, too. I love Kevin Costner, Russell Crowe, Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburn and especially Michael Shannon as actors.
This will easily be better than Iron Man 3, and all it's "Tony Stark Rises" rip off glory.
LMAO @ people confusing "emo" for internalization and character drama and growth. In fact, EMO actually means something entirely different.
Thank god we're done with the campy take on superheroes. Just play it straight. If not, and you want to make it ludicrous. Go all out and make it full blown camp. That's why I respect "Batman and Robin" more so than the other films. It had the balls to have purity of vision. Don't make a semi-serious film, with your tongue in cheek and not actually respect the material and the character.
Watching it a 2nd time, feels even more EMO than the last time.
@Money 23
Iron Man 3 has Ben Kingsley, the Man of Steel will fall. Besides, Nolan didn't direct it, doubt it will be as good as TDK trilogy with Snyder.
Lol you hating on Marvel too much, didn't you like First Class? They said they ****ed up with Iron Man 2, that's why 3 will be more like the original.
Not everything needs to be gritty, realistic and dramatic, as long as the movie is entertaining with great performances, I think we can be satisfied. Oh and Blade 2>Blade dawg, come at me.
I care more about the RT score, Man of Steel may end up higher than Iron Man 3. Anything with Nolan's name on it gets extra respect.
Looks good.
Not sure why it has to be a Marvel vs DC debate every time one of these movies come out.
[QUOTE=Graviton]Lol you hating on Marvel too much, didn't you like First Class?[/quote]
I'm talking about Marvel Studios. They deserve to be hated on ... Movies being made in marketing office think tanks for kids, instead of by film makers.
First Class was okay. Good in parts, but apart from Fassenberg it was whatever. Kevin Bacon as the villain was ridiculous. Un-intentionally funny, too.
It had a bunch of no name actors, C class roster of X-Men characters too. Like I said, good in parts but it isn't iconic or anything.
[quote]They said they ****ed up with Iron Man 2, that's why 3 will be more like the original.[/quote]
So they just want to re-make the original? Even without Faveraeu? And a visibly less interested Downey Jr?
RDJ looked bored as hell in Avengers. And his shtick wasn't as cute in IM 2 as it was in the original.
In the original he had the appropriate amount of charm, wit (without being annoying) with actual depth, character development, sincerity and nuance.
That was gone from his performance in both IM 2 and Avengers. Seemed like he said to hell with it, and was doing a caricature of himself instead.
IM 3 looks like one giant rip off of TDK Rises.
[quote]everything needs to be gritty, realistic and dramatic[/quote]
Where did I say everything needs to be gritty, dark, or dramatic?
I completely understand not every character is Batman. So the dark visuals, nihilistic undertones, noir type cinema, and tragic character arcs aren't a fit with every mythology.
But realism is a must, as is drama. Drama is what makes compelling stories and characters. Well, realism is the wrong word, plausibility is a must. Otherwise you're just making a campy, live action cartoon strictly for kids.
The best comic book movies, which are ADAPTATIONS of material, don't literally translate from page to screen. Like say that ridiculous CA costume in Avengers.
With real world people, actors, scenarios in order to make a movie more investment worthy, you take the fantastic characters and ideas and ADAPT them to the real world. Thus, making them plausible.
Thus there are a certain amount of changes that need to be made to make things believable or palatable. Otherwise, just make a full blown cartoon movie for kids.
That's why the first Iron Man works. It's plausible.
[quote]Oh and Blade 2>Blade dawg, come at me.[/quote]
On what grounds? The over the top, hyper stylized, idiosyncratic, redundant sequel made by the horrendous and ridiculously over the top "director" Guillermo Del Toro?
Blade 2 has moments, mainly because of Wesley Snipes complete ownage of that character, and the moments of levity from Ron Pearlman. Outside of that, the film is worse on every level.
That "gritty" feel is what gave the film such appeal, and gave it the cult following it deserved. Blade 2 takes things WAY over the top.
So maybe in essence, you prefer the more hyper stylized, campy, and cheesier take on comic book characters.
What? :oldlol:
[quote]I care more about the RT score, Man of Steel may end up higher than Iron Man 3. Anything with Nolan's name on it gets extra respect.[/QUOTE]
Because his stuff deserves it. M.O.S. much like Batman Begins in 2005, is having to resurrect a franchise from beneath the earth. Going into a film w/o hype, and having to fight the demons of crappy movies that came before it an up hill battle.
IM 3 will get swarmed by the masses, and they'll think it's good even if it isn't. I mean hell, Avengers has like between 94% - 96% on RT. That movie was balls outside of the Hulk in the 3rd act.
I don't go by RT score in all cases. Some of them are way off ... as you can see.
[QUOTE]Not sure why it has to be a Marvel vs DC debate every time one of these movies come out.[/QUOTE]
because DC :bowdown:
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GOAT superhero movie
[QUOTE=Money 23]Watchmen is up there for sure.
Slept on, too.[/QUOTE]
It was groundbreaking IMO
I didn't realize it's greatness the first time I saw it, after the second and third time I then realized there is just nothing else like it
[QUOTE=Money 23]I love the Illuminati / Secret Society sub text.
That Alan Moore, he's a genius.
The book is better, though.[/QUOTE]
yeah I know most fans of the comic/graphic novel aren't big fans of the film...that's just because movies never get all the details right that fanboys love so much
Watchmen was one of kind, and while this Superman flick might be great, it's still in the same mold as every other Super hero movie
[QUOTE=Money 23]
First Class was okay. Good in parts, but apart from Fassenberg it was whatever. Kevin Bacon as the villain was ridiculous. Un-intentionally funny, too.[/quote]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyw8973Ql30[/url]
Fassbender was the perfect Mangeto. Dude is like the James Bond of villians. I agree that other than his character, the movie was (just) OK.
@Money
So do you feel The Dark Knight Rises was a disappointment as well with the implausible plot and turn of events? Because it had as many unrealistic, silly moments as those Marvel movies. Compared to TDK, it wasn't as well constructed. Joker played chess while Bane was on checkers. The movie was a real letdown due to all the facepalm worthy events.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQJuGeqdbn4[/url]
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[QUOTE=Noah Rose]Ehh.
Not bad but not impressed.
Superman movies becoming too Emo.[/QUOTE]
HOW DARE YOU!!!!
As a DC Fanboy, I say that your opinion does not count!
I will go ahead and break down every single one of your sentences and tell you why you are WRONG using my fanboy knowledge of comicbooks!
[QUOTE=Noah Rose]Ehh.[/quote]
Ehh is not even a word in the dictionary! You must have low brain cells for writing something that does not exist!
[QUOTE=Noah Rose]Not bad but not impressed.[/quote]
Not impressed!!?? Did you just see a man in blue spandex flying? And you're not impressed? Who are you? Chris Angel? Normal people who sees a man flying in the air will naturally be impressed, hence you are not normal.
[QUOTE=Noah Rose]Superman movies becoming too Emo.[/QUOTE]
Superman is NOT Emo! Maybe Clark Kent, but Superman is not! Superman maybe a voyeur (See Superman Returns movie i.e. Lois Lane apartment scene) but Emo he is not. In fact, the more Emo Superman becomes, the less emo he is. Superman Birthright and Superman Origins show that Superman has human roots!
People like you who don't like this trailer should zip it, or I will breakdown your comments once again! This is the greatest trailer ever made! This is also the greatest movie ever made even if I haven't seen it yet! People like yourself aren't entitled to an opinion! If you think it's emo then you're just a Marvel fan!
:hammerhead:
Yep, Watchmen was awesome.
[quote=Jordan-esque] HOW DARE YOU!!!! ... [/quote]
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Am I the only one that loves the color of the trailer?
[QUOTE=Jordan-esque]HOW DARE YOU!!!!
As a DC Fanboy, I say that your opinion does not count!
I will go ahead and break down every single one of your sentences and tell you why you are WRONG using my fanboy knowledge of comicbooks!
Ehh is not even a word in the dictionary! You must have low brain cells for writing something that does not exist!
Not impressed!!?? Did you just see a man in blue spandex flying? And you're not impressed? Who are you? Chris Angel? Normal people who sees a man flying in the air will naturally be impressed, hence you are not normal.
Superman is NOT Emo! Maybe Clark Kent, but Superman is not! Superman maybe a voyeur (See Superman Returns movie i.e. Lois Lane apartment scene) but Emo he is not. In fact, the more Emo Superman becomes, the less emo he is. Superman Birthright and Superman Origins show that Superman has human roots!
People like you who don't like this trailer should zip it, or I will breakdown your comments once again! This is the greatest trailer ever made! This is also the greatest movie ever made even if I haven't seen it yet! People like yourself aren't entitled to an opinion! If you think it's emo then you're just a Marvel fan!
:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
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:bowdown:
I don't know why there are some fans whom are butthurt about a person's opinion that they'd feel they have to give a sermon telling why they're wrong.
That said, I still think this movie is too Emo.
@Graviton
The Dark Knight Rises wasn't as tight as it's predecessor, so in that regards I guess it's a disappointment. But I didn't expect it to be as great as that film.
Few films are that caliber. TDK Rises didn't have near the amount of silly moments as the Marvel films. Hell, the concept of Thor in of itself is beyond silly. Him and his not so subtle gay, sexually repressed brother.
You freely admit yourself that you follow RT scores. Rises got a very high 80% ranking, no?
All movies have what can be considered plot holes. ALL OF THEM. You can comb over with a fine tooth comb and find SOMETHING in every film. It's about the suspension of disbelief in order to tell the story at hand.
Nolan's films far exceed doing this compared to the Marvel Studio counterparts. You actually agreed with me about this ... that's why they are easily the elite films in the genre.
Bane plays his version of chess as well. Dude executed his entire plan, broke the protagonist physically, before being stopped at the last moment.
A lot of the issues raised in the "honest trailer" review can be explained, some facts they got down right wrong, or issues that can be explained with simple logic.
One of the complaints in that "honest trailer" was literally that Bruce Wayne had a depression beard. Can't you articulate your own issues with the movie, without giving a youtube link to a video channel whose entire purpose is to make people laugh?
Reading some of these threads reminds me that I am in fact a comic geek.
Either that or I'm not picking up on some sarcasm by you guys.
To the Watchmen movie I am not a fan of the GN really. Like I understand that it's good, and why it's good but I wasn't really enjoying it. I personally thought the movie was alright. There were some good and even great moments but it never really did enough to stay above decent for me.
@Money
I would type my issues instead of the video, but my PS3 allows limited sentences. In short...
Yes, Bane had a plan but it was all on Talia's orders, he was just a goon. When Bruce got out of the hole and faced him, Banewas shocked at how his brilliant plan failed. Joker strategized 50 steps ahead and even in the end he won, he corrupted Harvey, forced Batman/Gordon to spread the lie. He was victorious, he showcased that even Batman/Gordon aren't above using lies and deceit to fool their people just to protect a maniac. Joker's plan was flawless, he took over the mob, scared the cops, and showed that no one is truly "clean". Bane's plan was just brute force, but when Batman came back and he faced resistance, he had nothing. His plan was just the physical destruction of Gotham, but the psychological damage Joker had done stayed with the city even after all those years. As a Villain, Joker was in another dimension, he was a true genius of terror and understood how to truly break people and their hope.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_PoL-dXf0"]Kevin Smith: Dark Knight Rises plot holes [/URL]
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]because DC :bowdown:
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GOAT superhero movie[/QUOTE]
Sorry, one of the worst I've seen.
Pretentious played out, 20 years too late.
The comic may have been ahead of its time when it first appeared, but he movie sure as hell didn't.
Bad acting, bad directing, cliche scenes (shitload of them), pretentious from the get go.
I wanted to love this film, was very disappointed.
[QUOTE=andgar923]Sorry, one of the worst I've seen.
Pretentious played out, 20 years too late.
The comic may have been ahead of its time when it first appeared, but he movie sure as hell didn't.
Bad acting, bad directing, cliche scenes (shitload of them), pretentious from the get go.
I wanted to love this film, was very disappointed.[/QUOTE]
what was cliche?
to me the entire film was the complete opposite of normal Super Hero films...
you want to know what cliche is? the villain stabbing Batman in the side and describing her entire master plan to him before he could die...THAT is cliche
Watchmen? the Super Hero's die...one right at the start...it was then shown that he killed a woman pregnant with his child...One is the Heros is 1000x more powerful than the rest...a nuke goes off...etc...it was anything BUT typical
Yeah, what the hell is up with villains revealing their master plan when dealing with protagonist with a history of always coming out on top in the end? Its like how Jack Bauer always figures out the plan behind the plan behind the master plan that no one else seem to be able to notice. You start to wish villains would just stfu, at least until their plan actually goes through.
[QUOTE=Loneshot]Yeah, what the hell is up with villains revealing their master plan when dealing with protagonist with a history of always coming out on top in the end? Its like how Jack Bauer always figures out the plan behind the plan behind the master plan that no one else seem to be able to notice. You start to wish villains would just stfu, at least until their plan actually goes through.[/QUOTE]
Old comic book trope. They make fun of it sometimes because it was, and continues to be prevalent in the genre.
[QUOTE=kentatm][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_PoL-dXf0"]Kevin Smith: Dark Knight Rises plot holes [/URL][/QUOTE]
geez, hour and a half long?
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]what was cliche?
to me the entire film was the complete opposite of normal Super Hero films...
you want to know what cliche is? the villain stabbing Batman in the side and describing her entire master plan to him before he could die...THAT is cliche
Watchmen? the Super Hero's die...one right at the start...it was then shown that he killed a woman pregnant with his child...One is the Heros is 1000x more powerful than the rest...a nuke goes off...etc...it was anything BUT typical[/QUOTE]
"When someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart."
After watching the second trailer, movie is looking a bit boring.
[QUOTE=D-Wade316]"When someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ZeN]:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
WTF. Didn't notice that until now. :oldlol:
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I recently watched Dark Knight Rises again on PPV...I found it to be much worse than I remember
starting from when Batman walks up to Gordon on the ice, lights up his flaming bat symbol until then end, is just filled with cringe worthy scenes.
the entire giant melee fight...a giant fist fight (while everyone has guns) is almost like something from the old Batman TV show
Bane and Batman magically find each other in the center of huge fist fight :facepalm
the stabbing in the side while telling Batman her whole master plan :facepalm
Cat woman saves the day complete with cheezy one-liner
That whole scene is so awful, it damn near ruins what is really a great movie...I wish he would redo the end, because it really isn't good at all.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I recently watched Dark Knight Rises again on PPV...I found it to be much worse than I remember
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It certainly wasn't as epic as they wanted it to be. The movie felt hollow...especially as compared to the 2nd one.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]You are no fun[/QUOTE]
Yeah, seeing holes where there aren't really holes. The main hole i can see people complaining about is how Bruce got back into Gotham when it was supposed to be on lockdown. I've watched the movie about four times and each time its still very entertaining. Its a three hour movie (i think) that feels like it goes by in half the time, a sign of great pacing and directing.
not claiming thos to be "holes' just super cheezy
I was waiting to see
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during that giant fist fight
At the end of the day its still a movie about a grown man dressing up as a super hero to fight bad guys without the use of guns. I know Nolan grounds it so much that people expect a dark psychological drama, but only so much can be done without scrapping the Batman character completely.
Second trailer looks amazingggggg
superman would be a much more interesting character if his alter ego was a homeless alcoholic named hancock.