ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain all played on the Lakers too the last time I checked...

[QUOTE=RRR3]Magic was bad at guarding PG's due to his size. That doesn't mean he couldn't guard other positions decently.[/QUOTE]

Kobe was still a better defender.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Kobe was still a better defender.[/QUOTE]
No shit. I know that. But people are acting like Magic was ****ing Steve Nash on D.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Kobe was still a better defender.[/QUOTE]
He is but not to the extent the Kobe fans are saying in this thread. If they were Laker fans they would know Magic wasn't that bad defensively.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain all played on the Lakers too the last time I checked...[/QUOTE]


yeah...and?....... Kobe is still by acclamation better ....

and Magic replaced Kareem with Vlade Divac and barely skipped a beat and nearly beat prime Jordan and Pippen...



Kobe skillwise is much better then any of those players...



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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]yeah...and?....... Kobe is still by acclamation better ....



and skillwise much better...



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Any sane basketball fan has those three over Kobe on the GOAT list. GTFO

Kobe at 32 averaged 22.8 PPG 3.4 RPG 3.3 APG (while shockingly getting swept by Dallas after three consecutive finals appearances) and Magic at 31 averaged 21.8 PPG 8.1 RPG 12.6 APG in playoffs. People on this forum love to discuss the great years of a player and disregard the failures that he had, especially when it's your favourite player (they always bring up the bad aspects of players who are compared to their fav player as well).

Why do you think people give less credit to Kobe's first three championships compared to other greats who won as leaders? No finals MVPs for those years. I still can't believe he had more FGA than Shaq from '00-'01~'02-'03 both in regular seasons and playoffs. In one year, Kobe-led Lakers didn't even make the playoffs while he was in his best years of his career. Kobe was consistently called the best player in NBA, yet he has only one MVP award... Magic not only has more MVP and finals MVP awards (he won all his rings and finals MVPs with Kareem) but he also was in top 3 of MVP voting's from '82-'83~'90-'91...for 9 straight seasons. I mean... Kobe's tied with Derick Rose already with one MVP award after 15 years, years that made the media say that he is the next MJ, and he is better than MJ? I don't think he deserves comparisons with Magic Johnson at all.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Most crazy basketball illiterate self proclaimed "basketball elitists" basketball fan has those three over Kobe on the GOAT list....for whatever their stupid reasons . ......they need to GTFO[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]HURRR DURRR! KOBEEEEEE! MY GAY LOVE! SLURP DROOL! PANT! HURR[/QUOTE]

ewwwwwww.....:wtf:
Keep it to yourself, OmegaMutt

[QUOTE=SFMF]Kobe at 32 averaged 22.8 PPG 3.4 RPG 3.3 APG (while shockingly getting swept by Dallas after three consecutive finals appearances) and Magic at 31 averaged 21.8 PPG 8.1 RPG 12.6 APG in playoffs. People on this forum love to discuss the great years of a player and disregard the failures that he had, especially when it's your favourite player (they always bring up the bad aspects of players who are compared to their fav player as well).
[B][SIZE="5"]
Why do you think people give less credit to Kobe's first three championships compared to other greats who won as leaders?[/SIZE][/B] No finals MVPs for those years. I still can't believe he had more FGA than Shaq from '00-'01~'02-'03 both in regular seasons and playoffs. In one year, Kobe-led Lakers didn't even make the playoffs while he was in his best years of his career. Kobe was consistently called the best player in NBA, yet he has only one MVP award... Magic not only has more MVP and finals MVP awards (he won all his rings and finals MVPs with Kareem) but he also was in top 3 of MVP voting's from '82-'83~'90-'91...for 9 straight seasons. I mean... Kobe's tied with Derick Rose already with one MVP award after 15 years, years that made the media say that he is the next MJ, and he is better than MJ? I don't think he deserves comparisons with Magic Johnson at all.[/QUOTE]

:roll: who?..Online Basketball elitists...every fan I meet in the real world recognizes how great Kobe was then.....01' 29PPG 6REB 6AST in the playoff's with a 33PPG 7REB &AST series vs the Spurs....

but your here saying Magic was the "man" and carried Kareem sidekick azz becuase he won Finals MVP in 1980???:lol ....is that the logic?

again....hardly anyone in the real world agrees with the B.S. we type here...we are a very small % of the fanbase


Kobe was Voted Best Player of the 00's by far....by the majority of fans...

save the elitists BS....No one cares outside of here...5X Champion and Best player of his generation.....and it aint even close.

[IMG]http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1600/kobepotd.jpg[/IMG]

so who are these mysterious "people" that believe Kobe was just lucky to have Shaq???....in fact going by numbers....it looks like most fans Know basketball when they see it...they Know "skill" and what player's capture thier imagination and have "it"...they can look past flawed stats and biased media awards....they know game when it's in their face.

you crazy thinking a 7'er with NO GAME beyond 5' from the hoop with Lack of skill to close out a game is a better player then Kobe...

hardly anyone agrees with you




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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]:roll: who?..Online Basketball elitists...every fan I meet in the real world recognizes how great Kobe was then.....01' 29PPG 6REB 6AST in the playoff's with a 33PPG 7REB &AST series vs the Spurs....

but your here saying Magic was the "man" and carried Kareem sidekick azz becuase he won Finals MVP in 1980???:lol ....is that the logic?

again....hardly anyone in the real world agrees with the B.S. we type here...we are a very small % of the fanbase


Kobe was Voted Best Player of the 00's by far....by the majority of fans...

save the elitists BS....No one cares outside of here...5X Champion and Best player of his generation.....and it aint even close.




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I guess 24 in your user name wasn't for Richard Jefferson.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Any sane basketball fan has those three over Kobe on the GOAT list. GTFO[/QUOTE]

Then I guess Jerry West isn't a sane basketball fan. He thinks Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time.

PS: This doesn't mean I think Kobe is above those three.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Then I guess Jerry West isn't a sane basketball fan. He thinks Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time.

PS: This doesn't mean I think Kobe is above those three.[/QUOTE]
Jerry West also said LeBron was better than Kobe, so I don't think you of all people want to use him to back up anything. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SFMF]I guess 24 in your user name wasn't for Richard Jefferson.[/QUOTE]


meh....someone copied my account and stole "AlphaWolf"...so I had to add the "# of the shotclock"..."hours of the day"...


hey look at your avatar..it has Jordan in it:rolleyes:



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[QUOTE=RRR3]Jerry West also said LeBron was better than Kobe, so I don't think you of all people want to use him to back up anything. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


alltime or for 1/2 of the season???


thought so....


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[QUOTE=RRR3]Jerry West also said LeBron was better than Kobe, so I don't think you of all people want to use him to back up anything. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Looks like reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I clearly wasn't using Jerry West's opinion to back up Kobe.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Looks like reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I clearly wasn't using Jerry West's opinion to back up Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Then why would you even put it out there? :facepalm It's irrelevant and you shouldn't have posted it, especially if you think Magic>Kobe.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Then why would you even put it out there? :facepalm It's irrelevant and you shouldn't have posted it, especially if you think Magic>Kobe.[/QUOTE]

Oh sweet Jesus :facepalm

It was to point out that you think Jerry West is an insane basketball fan. That's pretty stupid considering Jerry West is a top 15 player all-time, but apparently you know more about basketball :facepalm

[QUOTE=RRR3]Then why would you even put it out there? :facepalm It's irrelevant and you shouldn't have posted it, especially if you think Magic>Kobe.[/QUOTE]

Because someone (was it you) said No sane basketball fan would say Kobe>Magic....

when clearly Jerry West has said that many times....If he believes Kobe is the greatest "LAKER OF ALLTIME" that means he's saying Kobe is better then Magic...


cot damn.....with all the "basketball math" that goes on here you would think y'all would have undertood...


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Din't Magic even say Kobe = GOAL's???

:roll:


but 3% of fans online say Kobe was overrated for 3peating with Shaq who hardly did sh!t without Kobe and 90% of the fanbase views Kobe as the greatest player of the 2000's ....but that don't mean anything???



this is just silly.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Oh sweet Jesus :facepalm

It was to point out that you think Jerry West is an insane basketball fan. That's pretty stupid considering Jerry West is a top 15 player all-time, but apparently you know more about basketball :facepalm[/QUOTE]

OWNED

[QUOTE=andgar923]because there's other aspects besides just those two. And as anybody can tell you, Magic could control the game without his scoring and be more impactful than Kobe could dropping 40 pts.

And it aint as if Kobe was a great dominant defender either. I'm sure that the gap isn't as wide as Kobe fans want to make it. Sure, Magic wasn't as great of a one on one defender as Kobe, but Magic was good at helping and anticipating, somehow he just made the right play defensively.

And Magic handling the ball dropping 12 assists and 19 points is more dangerous offensively than Kobe due to the various mismatch problems he presents. His ability to not just create a shot for himself on anybody guarding him but also getting his teammates involved is more potent.

But if we wanna go ahead and start listing things that Magic is better than Kobe at doing... here we go:

Leadership
IQ
Rebounding
Passing
Help defense
Creating mismatch problems
Offensive impact

Kobe... can score better and defend better. Although the impact offensively isn't as great, and the impact defensively is marginal.

Get mad.[/QUOTE]


Anyone who tells you Magic impacts the game far greater then Kobe is a fool with lack of knowledge of the game. Magic was only potent on offense do to the style the Lakers played and having great finishers surrounding him. Kobe in the other hand had no one in the league who can stop him which created more match up problems do to them playing team defense. Magics rebounds and assist are overrated.

As a guard its hard to be a "Dominant" defender. Only player to do so is the Real MJ which why he is on the top. Also as a Guard if you are a Lock Down defender that is amazing asset to have on a team. Only Bigs can be Dominant Defender so do not take Kobes defense for granted. I can agree if you say he play lazy at times.

I can agree to certain extent that getting Team involved is more important then ur Star Player getting hot. Most likely on situations but I rather have my Star player like Kobe who is one of the most potent player ever when he is hot which impacts the offense much greater in games then Magic can. Magic's offense is like poor mans LeBron with slightly better IQ and post game with better clutch factor which is Great but Kobe impacts the game much more do to the style he plays which is Scoring and Basketball out of any sports YOU NEED TO SCORE A LOT.

LOL at the list. You can barley think of a list. I can go miles on how many thing Kobe is better then Magic on in terms of Basketball.

I think ur mad after you thought about everything but couldnt come up with a thing that has a solid argument.

Go google it up some more and come back. Till then

Kobe > Magic

[QUOTE=ZaaaaaH]Anyone who tells you Magic impacts the game far greater then Kobe is a fool with lack of knowledge of the game. Magic was only potent on offense do to the style the Lakers played and having great finishers surrounding him. Kobe in the other hand had no one in the league who can stop him which created more match up problems do to them playing team defense. Magics rebounds and assist are overrated.

As a guard its hard to be a "Dominant" defender. Only player to do so is the Real MJ which why he is on the top. Also as a Guard if you are a Lock Down defender that is amazing asset to have on a team. Only Bigs can be Dominant Defender so do not take Kobes defense for granted. I can agree if you say he play lazy at times.

I can agree to certain extent that getting Team involved is more important then ur Star Player getting hot. Most likely on situations but I rather have my Star player like Kobe who is one of the most potent player ever when he is hot which impacts the offense much greater in games then Magic can. Magic's offense is like poor mans LeBron with slightly better IQ and post game with better clutch factor which is Great but Kobe impacts the game much more do to the style he plays which is Scoring and Basketball out of any sports YOU NEED TO SCORE A LOT.

LOL at the list. You can barley think of a list. I can go miles on how many thing Kobe is better then Magic on in terms of Basketball.

I think ur mad after you thought about everything but couldnt come up with a thing that has a solid argument.

Go google it up some more and come back. Till then

Kobe > Magic[/QUOTE]



This....

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] for #2.

Hey OmegaMutt24,
Why are you arguing for Kobe? Hypocrite :oldlol:
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24] I'll give you the players that I have watched for nearly 30years...I never watched Basketball when Russell or Wilt or to familiar with any Pro Game before 1980.....these are the best players that I have watched and followed..

pretty much from 1980 till present...

1.Magic
2.Jordan
3.Kobe
4.Bird
5.Duncan
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Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B]Originality:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, but only on occasion. Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] in a landslide. :cheers:

I'm not even going to bother making a long detailed post showcasing why this is a lot closer then the final results will demonstrate.

I'll just write a quick conclusion; "Kobe was a more prolific scorer & a far more accomplished defensive player. Magic is arguably the greatest focal-point in league history and his versatility is invaluable. The resume & their respective impact (during prime-years) is very close; I don't think Magic's play-making ability, versatility & superior rebounding ability offsets Kobe's advantage at scoring & defending his man. What puts Magic ahead of Kobe for the time being is simply having achieved more in less time; and being a more effective leader."

So, I vote for [B]Magic.[/B]
However Kobe is on the cusp of having a greater legacy then Magic (unless we shouldn't consider longevity), and my prediction is he will surpass him (as well as Shaq, Bird & Duncan) before he sets sails.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Hey OmegaMutt24,
Why are you arguing for Kobe? Hypocrite :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

:roll: You got merked on the Jerry West comment....now you searching through my posts for the past Hour....



yup UMAD...



and again you comprehend FAIL.....this is alltime rankings foo.....

I believe alltime Kobe will be Higher whether I agree o not.

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B]Originality:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, but only on occasion. Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] in a landslide. :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Possibly the dumbest thread I've read during the project discussions; and that includes trolls with obvious agenda's.

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B][SIZE="7"]Originality[/SIZE]:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, [B][SIZE="7"]but only on occasion.[/SIZE][/B] Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] [SIZE="7"]in a landslide[/SIZE]. :cheers:[/QUOTE]


:lol

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B]Originality:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, but only on occasion. Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] in a landslide. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
what a phucking ******* this queer is. lol'd when i read dr jack breakdown:facepalm

[QUOTE=crosso√er]Possibly the dumbest thread I've read during the project discussions; and that includes trolls with obvious agenda's.[/QUOTE]
It already started in the previous thread.

I wonder why Trolls think their opinions matter, when they're not even part of the voting process? :confusedshrug:

And I agree with your previous post because I said in the previous debate between West & Kobe:

[I][Kobe] has the potential to pass West, Jordan, and even Abdul Jabbar with the totality of his career, though - as long he stays healthy.[/I]

Apparently that won't satisfy Troll Logic, which interprets my statement as a Hater, because I twinged somebody's insecure, tiny ego. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]It already started in the previous thread.

I wonder why Trolls think their opinions matter, when they're not even part of the voting process? :confusedshrug:

And I agree with your previous post because I said in the previous debate between West & Kobe:

[I][Kobe] has the potential to pass West, Jordan, and even Abdul Jabbar with the totality of his career, though - as long he stays healthy.[/I]

Apparently that won't satisfy Troll Logic, which interprets my statement as a Hater, because I twinged somebody's insecure, tiny ego. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You don't have to be hating to be misinformed or simply wrong. One guy is on pace to retire with the most all defensive teams of all time and he "occasionally plays defense" :oldlol:

It's a wash to me so I give Magic the edge now. Kobe later (after this season or the next for real doubters) fair enough ?

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]It already started in the previous thread.

I wonder why Trolls think their opinions matter, when they're not even part of the voting process? :confusedshrug:

And I agree with your previous post because I said in the previous debate between West & Kobe:

[I][Kobe] has the potential to pass West, Jordan, and even Abdul Jabbar with the totality of his career, though - as long he stays healthy.[/I]

Apparently that won't satisfy Troll Logic, which interprets my statement as a Hater, because I twinged somebody's insecure, tiny ego. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You really need to improve your writing; I can't distinguish your intended audience.

1) I am part of the voting process.
2) The post I quoted is the only post I've read from you (I think), ever on this forum.
3) Your post was absolute trash (completely overblown in favor of one player); I hope you were being sarcastic. If you weren't, I might as well put you on ignore since I can already project (based on your previous post) your lack of knowledge/objectivity relating to basketball (or Kobe).

[img]http://www.hyperboreans.com/Pix/ILOLD.jpg[/img]
Another Kobe Troll enters the Hall of Ignore List! :oldlol:

[QUOTE=crosso√er]You really need to improve your writing; I can't distinguish your intended audience.

1) I am part of the voting process.
2) The post I quoted is the only post I've read from you (I think), ever on this forum.
3) Your post was absolute trash (completely overblown in favor of one player); I hope you were being sarcastic. If you weren't, I might as well put you on ignore since I can already project (based on your previous post) your lack of knowledge/objectivity relating to basketball (or Kobe).[/QUOTE]

/shredded

The fact you're a voter and he continues to call you a troll is hysterical :oldlol:

[QUOTE=crosso√er]...snipped....[/QUOTE]

Been here a lot longer than you have. Just don't post as often.

1. I am part of the voting process. But... I've made far more effort in voting in this project than you have. :confusedshrug:
2. Since you're ready to judge me after 1 post, it says far more about you than my single post. :oldlol:
3. Your response was absolutely trash. :facepalm

Let's get to the forwards already. We know who 1, 2 and 3 were gonna be and the order, It was #4 through #25 we were really voting on.

[QUOTE=catch24]/shredded

The fact you're a voter and he continues to call you a troll is hysterical :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Actually... I didn't call him a troll.

In fact, I did say that I agreed with him.

Perhaps English isn't your first language. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Let's get to the forwards already. We know who 1, 2 and 3 were gonna be and the order, It was #4 through #25 we were really voting on.[/QUOTE]


Has anyone heard from GOAT? Maybe we shouldn't continue this project until he comes back.

The last two threads almost drowned, no thanks to the Kobe Trolls who came out of the woodwork. :facepalm