Sons of Anarchy Season 4

I read that it's going to be 14 episodes this season instead of the regular 13. :rockon:

What an intense episode tonight! I can't believe it came down to Clay beating the crap out of Gemma. I thought the only way for Clay to make it out of this season was that he would still have Gemma behind him. But not now. That scene was hard to watch but just shows how great actors Ron Perlman and Katey Sagal are. Those two make this show.

Maggie Siff (Tara) was also incredible tonight during that scene at the hospital (WHY DIDN'T SHE TELL JAX ABOUT THE LETTERS??). I felt so bad for her hearing about how she might not be a surgeon if her hand is that messed up.

It looks like Roosevelt is going to help Juice.

Jax finally told Opie that his plan is to leave. But there's no way Jax leaves with everything going on right now.

Next week is a 90 minute special. Also, Drea de Matteo (Wendy) shows up!

A friend of mine says Ron Perlman signed on for next season too, but I can't find anything on it. Does anyone else know if its true?

The hospital scene with Tara was pretty heart wrentching. I think her hand might result in Jax staying in the club because now they wont be able to support the kids on her salary as a surgeon.

It looks like Unser is going to bring Clay down. He might be forced to tell Opie everything when he finds him at his Dads cabin and I'm sure Opie would have no trouble taking out Clay after all the shit he has done to ruin his life.

No clue how the shit with Potter will end up tho.

Jax has to take him out. Clay docked up big time, sad that he will die.. Most probably. I liked him..

Cartel is ruthless, couldn't they take back the hit?

Yeah, the Cartel's insistence that Tara's a threat to them because of some unknown reason to them, is weird. It's like a strange effort to try to use this as a cause for action, while at the same time keeping the source a secret from the audience.

But it was a great episode.

If I'm Jax, I'm on the warpath now. It's obvious he's no longer committed to the long term goals of the club, but I guess Sutter wants us to wait till the final episode to see Clay get put down by the "Son". I would've gone straight to Clay and continued on with that vote to demote Clay for putting them all in the mess that they're in now.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]If I'm Jax, I'm on the warpath now. It's obvious he's no longer committed to the long term goals of the club, but I guess Sutter wants us to wait till the final episode to see Clay get put down by the "Son". I would've gone straight to Clay and continued on with that vote to demote Clay for putting them all in the mess that they're in now.[/QUOTE]

Well, apparently he is on the warpath since they showed him shooting bazookahs (sp? lol) and shit next episode. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]Yeah, the Cartel's insistence that Tara's a threat to them because of some unknown reason to them, is weird. It's like a strange effort to try to use this as a cause for action, while at the same time keeping the source a secret from the audience.

But it was a great episode.[/QUOTE]

Clay's the source. Told them Tara as info on them and needs to be taken out.

[QUOTE=sunsfan1357]A friend of mine says Ron Perlman signed on for next season too, but I can't find anything on it. Does anyone else know if its true?[/QUOTE]

That would be awesome. But I have no clue how they could keep Clay around after this season. But the show won't be the same without Perlman.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]That would be awesome. But I have no clue how they could keep Clay around after this season. But the show won't be the same without Perlman.[/QUOTE]

Theres no way Clay stays around at SAMCRO considering everything with Jax and Gemma. Jax has almost everyone on his side anyway, and when Tig sees what happened to Gemma Clay has no one left backing him. At the same time I can't really see Sutter getting rid of Ron Perlman, he is a great actor and a huge part of the show. Is it possible he goes to another charter, maybe SAMBEL? Or maybe season 5 is the club chasing down Clay all season?

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Well, apparently he is on the warpath since they showed him shooting bazookahs (sp? lol) and shit next episode. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Damn, I missed the preview for next week. Anyone want to fill me in on what else they showed?

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]The hospital scene with Tara was pretty heart wrentching. [B]I think her hand might result in Jax staying in the club because now they wont be able to support the kids on her salary as a surgeon.[/B]
It looks like Unser is going to bring Clay down. He might be forced to tell Opie everything when he finds him at his Dads cabin and I'm sure Opie would have no trouble taking out Clay after all the shit he has done to ruin his life.

No clue how the shit with Potter will end up tho.[/QUOTE]

that is the first thing I thought of when Tara messed her hand up. Now Jax won't even have the option to leave since Tara can't support the family.

Where have Happy and Kozik been for the last 3-4 episodes?

[QUOTE=dkmwise]Where have Happy and Kozik been for the last 3-4 episodes?[/QUOTE]


Happy's still around. He was in the episode before last I believe. Don't know Kozik's reason for not being around other than his character really doesn't fit into the story right now, but he's in next week's preview so there ya go.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Happy's still around. He was in the episode before last I believe. Don't know Kozik's reason for not being around other than his character really doesn't fit into the story right now, but he's in next week's preview so there ya go.[/QUOTE]

Oh thats right, Happy was with them when they confronted the Niners. I guess it must have just been this week he wasn't around. I know before they said Kozig had to go up north for something but I don't know why he'd be gone for so long and they seemed to really force him into the SAMCRO charter last year out of nowhere and now he's just gone again.

[QUOTE=dkmwise]Damn, I missed the preview for next week. Anyone want to fill me in on what else they showed?[/QUOTE]

Opie catches Unser at Pineys cabin and Unser confronts Clay.

New prediction: Clay shoots himself in Tara's hospital room.

Or... Clay confronts Tara about the letters and confesses everything and tells her he put the hit out on her but will be there himself to protect her as long as she doesn't tell Jax about the letters.

I'm not sure how Gemma expects Unser to talk Opie out of going after Clay though.

Crazy good show tonight. I see what Sutter means now when he says the end of this season will feel like it's the last. The entire club is being broken up.

This shit looking faker and faker as ****. Man soap opera shit. This is the last season. It has been overblown and too much carried away.

I think that episode crossed the line as far as realism goes for the show. Just way too over the top with that cartel fight.

The in-club drama is good but I'm ready for the cartels to be phased out.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]I think that episode crossed the line as far as realism goes for the show. Just way too over the top with that cartel fight.

The in-club drama is good but I'm ready for the cartels to be phased out.[/QUOTE]
Those are my thoughts as well. One minute you have some serious drama with Tara and Jax's ex lady coming through to the hospital, then all of a sudden there's land mines blowing people up and RPGs being shot out of nowhere. Kind of lame.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]I think that episode crossed the line as far as realism goes for the show. Just way too over the top with that cartel fight.

The in-club drama is good but I'm ready for the cartels to be phased out.[/QUOTE]

The same could've been said about a show like 24, yet people ate that shit up and it was a pretty awesome show too.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]I think that episode crossed the line as far as realism goes for the show. Just way too over the top with that cartel fight.

The in-club drama is good but I'm ready for the cartels to be phased out.[/QUOTE]


Not even MacGyver or Steven Seagal could have avoided so many near death situations. :(

How was it over the top? The Cartel are ex-Military with so many top of the line weapons. There was nothing over the top about it at all. The Sons had to bring out the big guns for that fight.

It's not the last season either. They're going to 7 seasons.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]How was it over the top? The Cartel are ex-Military with so many top of the line weapons. There was nothing over the top about it at all. The Sons had to bring out the big guns for that fight.

It's not the last season either. They're going to 7 seasons.[/QUOTE]

LOL some people need to read up on some of the shit real biker gangs have been involved in. A couple RPG blasts in some abandoned cartel-controlled woods isn't out of the ordinary.

Besides, the Sons lost Kozik who was on the up and up with the club.

If Clay isn't dead by next episode, then I don't know how the hell they can extend that story.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]How was it over the top? The Cartel are ex-Military with so many top of the line weapons. There was nothing over the top about it at all. The Sons had to bring out the big guns for that fight.

It's not the last season either. They're going to 7 seasons.[/QUOTE]


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It just didn't fit well with the history of the show imo. It just seemed like explosions for the sake of explosions. But hey that's just me.

That's because they were dealing with the Cartel. Before they've only dealt with other MC's, ATF, the Irish, the Niners, the Russians, the Mayans, the Nords. So it didn't fit with any of those. But the Cartel is some serious sh*t.

I understand the Cartels are an escalation of everything the gang has dealt with in the past but it still didn't feel authentic in the context of the show for me. That's just for me tho I'm sure it didn't bother most people.

Opie is Berteir from Remember The Titans. That blows my mind.

Opie being Bertier gets me every time too. I think about it all the time for some reason. And I for some reason constantly want to tell people that. Only to find out that almost no one really knows her Bertier is well enough to give a shit. I mean that transformation from that movie is at least as big a jump as Hayden Pentieri going from the smart mouth little girl to a smoking hot diva. And the only other thing I can think of the guy in is some WWII era movie and I don't even remember which one.

I can at least see the point that that last battle was a little out of place. And to me it wasn't even out of place in terms of context for what happened. It just didn't look right. The distance didn't look right. The explosions looked too TVish, if anyone gets my meaning. Even stuff as little as the posture of the guys holding the weapons just felt out of place. It was more a directing issue to me, but it felt like a directing issue because the scene was sort of shoehorned in.

I will say, for the shows I watch, and I don't watch Mad Men or Breaking Bad, but I do watch a lot of highly regarded shows, since last years season finale, this has been the best show I've watched. I feel like it's better than Boardwalk over that time span, which is no knock on Boardwalk. It's had some flaws that I've mentioned in previous threads on it, like the supporting characters have seemed a little one note in the past, but it's addressed to some degree almost everything. Even the stuff that I feel is a little hokey, is at least true to world they've assembled.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Opie is Berteir from Remember The Titans. That blows my mind.[/QUOTE]

:wtf: That just blew my mind, I had no idea.

Thorpe pretty much explained exactly what I felt about the Cartel fight. If it was directed and shot better I probably wouldn't have felt like it was so out of place. It just didn't feel right.

And holy shit I never made the connection that Opie is Bertier until now.

You should def watch Mad Men tho Thorpe. It lives up to the hype.

The cartel fight, while cool, didn't seem as realistic as it could've been because I never felt like Clay, Jax, Chibs or any of the main Sons was ever truly in danger. C'mon I mean Kozick is gone for a few episodes and then they wipe him out?! Who's next? Happy?!.....again...not one of the truly main guys.

Oh and the stupidity of Tara is beyond me. Why did she jack up her hand more?! While she has raised Abel, she must realize what feelings Abel's mom has for wanting to see him. I mean it's not like Abel is 20 and his mom wants back into his life. His mom doesn't want to take the kid away.

[QUOTE=glidedrxlr22]The cartel fight, while cool, didn't seem as realistic as it could've been because I never felt like Clay, Jax, Chibs or any of the main Sons was ever truly in danger. C'mon I mean Kozick is gone for a few episodes and then they wipe him out?! Who's next? Happy?!.....again...not one of the truly main guys.

Oh and the stupidity of Tara is beyond me. Why did she jack up her hand more?! While she has raised Abel, she must realize what feelings Abel's mom has for wanting to see him. I mean it's not like Abel is 20 and his mom wants back into his life. His mom doesn't want to take the kid away.[/QUOTE]

I think it's because the more jacked up her hands are the more she's able to be a stay at home mom. Now that Abels mom is back, there's 'competition'. So she purposely damaged her hand more allowing her to stay in the kids lives. Even if that's wrong, keep in mind it's all drama anyway.

"Nothing more dangerous than a guy that already knows he's dead".

Seems like even Clay knows he's going to be taken out.

[QUOTE=NBAller]"Nothing more dangerous than a guy that already knows he's dead".

Seems like even Clay knows he's going to be taken out.[/QUOTE]

LOL nooo man he was referring to Chief Unser's cancer

He was talking to and about Unser but also about himself at the same time. Clay doesn't have any allies left besides the Cartel who couldn't care less about him if he wasn't the Pres of SAMCRO.

Does anyone else feel that the way Ron Perlman has played Clay that he's almost the Darth Vader of TV? I can only picture Perlman pulling this off. I hated Stahl, the Nords, Zoebelle. I hate Clay too but it's like Darth Vader where you love to hate him. I know he has to go... eventually. I just don't want it to be this season.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]LOL nooo man he was referring to Chief Unser's cancer[/QUOTE]

Dude, he killed Opies wife and his dad. He knows if Opie finds out that he'll have problems. He killed Jaxs dad, and had a hit out on Tara, when Jax finds out he'll have another problem. He also knows that Tig left the club because of his fight with Gemma and other reasons. His character isn't stupid, he knows his time is coming soon. Hell, even Gemma most likely wants to kill Clay. He's the cause of a lot of problems and he knows it.


Of course he was also talking about Unser.

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