[QUOTE=RRR3]Didn't Shaq get along with LeBron and Steve Nash?[/QUOTE]
Shaq got along so good with Nash, he stole his idea for Pros Vs Joes.
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[QUOTE=RRR3]Didn't Shaq get along with LeBron and Steve Nash?[/QUOTE]
Shaq got along so good with Nash, he stole his idea for Pros Vs Joes.
It's clear Shaq exagerrated stories or even made them up to sell his book. Using Kobe's name to stay relevant. What a joke.
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]I never have been able to get a true grasp of Kobes personality. I never could figure out whether he himself just felt awkward or that people wouldnt understand him or if his isolation really was due to the fact that he just didnt give a shit about ppl lol.[/QUOTE]
Just seems introverted to me. Not socially awkward. He does well in interviews and conversations. He just plays ball and goes home seems like it.
I find it absolutely hilarious that these two guys hated each other but still managed to win 3 straight championships together.
[QUOTE=WillyJakk]I don't see how these guys (posters included) never take into account that Kobe was an 18 yr old kid coming straight outta high school in a League full of men (mid 20's to 30's) and also to a storied franchise like the Lakers that was full of tradition/ history.
I'm positive Kobe had a VERY DIFFERENT IMPRESSION of what "the NBA" was all about then he goes to a team where the [B]starting SG (Eddie Jones) doesn't like him simply because he knows Kobe is there to replace him[/B] and Shaq (my dude) is trying to let the League and the team (Lakers) know that it's HIS team (and soon to be League) and they should bow down to him.
Not to mention Nick Van Exel was like "while y'all 2 goin' at it, on the low I'm the real big time player here but y'all don't recognize it" while Robert Horry quietly was like "I got 2 rings, I'm just here to play".
Way too many young ego's and that Lakers team and it was destined to fail.
Fast forward to the end of that era and the damage was too far gone, Kobe & Shaq were too far in it to truly reconcile until they matured more, unfortunately that would be too late.[/QUOTE]
Actually, from what I hear, Eddie Jones got love for Kobe. They're close friends. They known each other since Eddie was at Temple University.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Shaq is better.[/QUOTE]
At being a douche? Yes.
[QUOTE=The_Yearning]Lmao Kobe went and told Jerry West how the team was hazing him... c'mon man. Doesn't matter how much street hunger you have, that was straight b!tchmade![/QUOTE]
Depends on what kinda hazing though. Shaq probably took it too far.
[QUOTE=KingMichael23]Actually, from what I hear, Eddie Jones got love for Kobe. They're close friends. They known each other since Eddie was at Temple University.[/QUOTE]
I think they are cousins
[QUOTE=RRR3]Didn't Shaq get along with LeBron and Steve Nash?[/QUOTE]
LeBron, I don't think i've heard any beef. As for Steve Nash, Nash hates Shaq cause he stole his ideas about a TV show he wanted to do I think and wanted Shaq traded cause the Suns sucked in '08 and '09.
On Riley:
[QUOTE]My ticket out of Miami was punched in mid-February 2008. There was a lot of tension between Pat and the players. So we're about to start practice and Jason Williams comes in about ten seconds late. Pat being Pat, he starts swearing at him and screaming, "Get the hell out of here!"...
I tell Pat we're a team and we need to stick together, not throw guys out of the gym. Pat is screaming at me and says if I don't like it, then I should get the hell out of practice, too.
That's when I said, "Why don't you make me?"
I start taking a couple of steps towards Pat. Udonis Haslem steps in and I shove him out of the way. Then Zo tries to grab me. I threw him aside like he was a rag doll. Now it's me and Riley face-to-face, jaw to jaw. I'm poking him in the chest and he keeps slapping my finger away and it's getting nasty. Noisy, too. He's yelling "F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck you!" and I'm yelling back, "No, f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck you!"
Zo is trying to calm us both down and he has this kind of singsong panic in his voice. He keeps saying, "Big fella, no big fella, big fella!" I finally turn around and tell him, "Don't worry, I'm not going to hit the man. Do you think I'm crazy?"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=chazzy]On Riley:[/QUOTE]
Typical bully behavior.
[QUOTE=DFish]Have you guys read the investigation transcripts between Kobe and the detectives?
That was some funny shit :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Haha..yep I read the transcipts.I can't blame the girl for not wanting his Jizz all over her face..
Snack has feuded with teammates and burned bridges with every team he's been on...meanwhile all the stars want to play with Kobe...
clearly Snack has some major issues and his mental fortitude and work ethic clearly reflects this...
I think that both of these guys have valid gripes against each other. what Kobe said to Jim Gray was right on the money. This shit happens all the time on teams. The only reason it's such a big deal is because of how talented both of them were and that they played for the Lakers. They still accomplished a lot together. I'm way over this shit. It's somewhat interesting and I'll probably read Shaq's book but it's in the past. They both moved on and won championships. I love both of these guys.
Personally, from reading the story. I wouldn't blame Kobe. Getting hazed and Shaq plus teammates talking sh137 about u all the time. It suggests a crappy relationship from the get go. I sure as hell wouldn't invite any sh137 talkers to my wedding. Sometimes u just got to put yourself in other people's point of view to see the truth.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Didn't Shaq get along with LeBron and Steve Nash?[/QUOTE]
Steve Nash never liked Shaq... he never wanted Shaq in Phoenix.
[QUOTE=nayte]Haha..yep I read the transcipts.I can't blame the girl for not wanting his Jizz all over her face..[/QUOTE]
Pure comedy. Kobe was soooo horny that night. :lol
Kobe Bryant - "That's when I asked if I could *** in her face, she said no
Detective - "So you like to *** in your partner's face?"
Kobe Bryant -" That's my thing, not always, so I stopped. Jesus Christ man"
[QUOTE=MrRogers]Pure comedy. Kobe was soooo horny that night. :lol
Kobe Bryant - "That's when I asked if I could *** in her face, she said no
Detective - "So you like to *** in your partner's face?"
Kobe Bryant -" That's my thing, not always, so I stopped. Jesus Christ man"[/QUOTE]
hahah that last line always gets me
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Can anyone here imagine being on a basketball team and not inviting other players to your wedding?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't make him socially awkward. He's probably just private.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Shaq is better.[/QUOTE]
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Kobe is an anti-social diva. Shaq a jealous bully. Maybe they're homosexual and their relationship went sour when Kobe asked Shaq to commit.
I respect both of these players immensely for their Basketball talents and achievements... but they both seem like total douche-bags.
[QUOTE=Haymaker]Kobe is an anti-social diva. Shaq a jealous bully. Maybe they're homosexual and their relationship went sour when Kobe asked Shaq to commit.[/QUOTE]
Spurs were lucky, they hated each other. If they got along, it would have been more rings for the Lakers and less ring for the Spurs.
[QUOTE=MrRogers]Pure comedy. Kobe was soooo horny that night. :lol
Kobe Bryant - "That's when I asked if I could *** in her face, she said no
Detective - "So you like to *** in your partner's face?"
Kobe Bryant -" That's my thing, not always, so I stopped. Jesus Christ man"[/QUOTE]
Ha..yep I lost count of how many times i cracked up while reading those transcripts.
I wasn't sure if he was playing dumb or wot in that interview..
[QUOTE=MrRogers]Pure comedy. Kobe was soooo horny that night. :lol
Kobe Bryant - "That's when I asked if I could *** in her face, she said no
Detective - "So you like to *** in your partner's face?"
Kobe Bryant -" That's my thing, not always, so I stopped. Jesus Christ man"[/QUOTE]
LOL, can't wait for detective's new book.
i thought this was going to be about kobe snitching on shaq paying girls off. lol @ those transcripts...will never get old.
anyway, what could have been. both were at fault and did major damage to each other
[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron seems like a chill guy despite what many claim. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
yes I noticed in the finals
[QUOTE=knightfall88]yes I noticed in the finals[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MrRogers]Pure comedy. Kobe was soooo horny that night. :lol
Kobe Bryant - "That's when I asked if I could *** in her face, she said no
Detective - "So you like to *** in your partner's face?"
Kobe Bryant -" That's my thing, not always, so I stopped. Jesus Christ man"[/QUOTE]
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The wedding thing, I remember there was a rumor that Kobe got Vanessa pregnant after boning her when she was 17 or something like that. (Kobe was probably 18-19 at the time.) His family was super against the marriage so basically no one was invited to the whole thing. Not much after the wedding Kobe was reported to have been called away from a practice or a game or something because of an emergency, and rumors at the time was that they lost the baby.
Funny thing is before the rape trial all the trolls were sure Kobe was a gay. Once the rape thing happened they had something else to cling too so the gay thing went away just like that, lol. People make such a big deal about the snitching thing, but don't realize that it was said during a conversation in a hallway before the official "interrogation" and was only added to the report months after the fact.
But living in LA I can say yeah, Kobe is not really a likeable or approachable person. Most of the people I know say he's either friendly and reserved or just terse. He's a pretty private and intense guy and it's probably a testament to his ambition that he isn't hated more because from all accounts all he wants to do is play basketball and spend time at home with his family. If you approach him right he can be pretty chill and nice, but if you approach with the slightest hint of wanting something from him he'll shut you off instantly. It's similar to how Kareem is really.
The hazing thing is pretty similar to other reports. Kobe didn't go to college so the whole hazing thing was new to him and he didn't want any of it. Kobe recently told a story recently about how Ced Ceballos was assigned to be his mentor but instead just yelled at him and ordered him around, so I think he actually went up to him on the bus and told him he was going to beat the crap out of him if he ever did it again. So they switched mentors to Eddie Jones and Byron Scott and things were fine.
In Jackson's book I remember hearing that Shaq was the team's fun goofy guy, but he always tried to create a division in the locker-room. He had the players that were on his side, and early on he had his boys referring to Kobe as the "wonder-boy" or something like that. Kobe just stayed to himself because all the older players wanted to do was gamble and drink and he wasn't old enough to do either. All Shaq wanted to do was play around and Kobe didn't want any of that. So he was segregated from the get-go.
shaq has always had a complex about being liked. i bet 99.9% of people that know shaq love him...and shaq clearly doesn't know how to behave when someone doesn't give him the time of day. kobe obviously wanted very little to do with him and some of the rest of the team....really shouldn't be that big of a deal. i've always thought shaq made way too much out of it....comes from an insecure place of needing people to love him and respect him all the time. kobe certainly doesn't have much of that in his personality.
the problem was that neither of these guys were "man enough" to just step up and squash these problems. like when shaq/kobe were both told to stop the media jabbing....then kobe goes and calls out shaq right after that. crap like that is just immature and ruins chemistry.
kobe just wanted to be the best. he saw shaq as an obstacle to that. hard to really blame him for feeling that way. kobe could never be the player he wanted to be because shaq was just better and more valuable than him those 8 years they played together. it must have driven kobe absolutely insane to see shaq goof off and not practice as hard as he should have...and then get out there and be one of the best and most valuable players ever. for a guy with kobe's work ethic and ambition....i can't imagine dealing with that.
both clearly at fault....i just think its a shame because they could have won 6 or 7 titles together and been the best duo the game has ever seen. they should have embraced each other....instead they fought each other.
overall i still side with shaq from a basketball standpoint. he was the best player on those teams and was playing at a level only a handful of players in nba history have ever reached. part of that was taken away with all this feuding and kobe's desire to not "be a sidekick"
[QUOTE=monkeypox]The wedding thing, I remember there was a rumor that Kobe got Vanessa pregnant after boning her when she was 17 or something like that. (Kobe was probably 18-19 at the time.) His family was super against the marriage so basically no one was invited to the whole thing. Not much after the wedding Kobe was reported to have been called away from a practice or a game or something because of an emergency, and rumors at the time was that they lost the baby.
Funny thing is before the rape trial all the trolls were sure Kobe was a gay. Once the rape thing happened they had something else to cling too so the gay thing went away just like that, lol. People make such a big deal about the snitching thing, but don't realize that it was said during a conversation in a hallway before the official "interrogation" and was only added to the report months after the fact.
But living in LA I can say yeah, Kobe is not really a likeable or approachable person. Most of the people I know say he's either friendly and reserved or just terse. He's a pretty private and intense guy and it's probably a testament to his ambition that he isn't hated more because from all accounts all he wants to do is play basketball and spend time at home with his family. If you approach him right he can be pretty chill and nice, but if you approach with the slightest hint of wanting something from him he'll shut you off instantly. It's similar to how Kareem is really.
The hazing thing is pretty similar to other reports. Kobe didn't go to college so the whole hazing thing was new to him and he didn't want any of it. Kobe recently told a story recently about how Ced Ceballos was assigned to be his mentor but instead just yelled at him and ordered him around, so I think he actually went up to him on the bus and told him he was going to beat the crap out of him if he ever did it again. So they switched mentors to Eddie Jones and Byron Scott and things were fine.
In Jackson's book I remember hearing that Shaq was the team's fun goofy guy, but he always tried to create a division in the locker-room. He had the players that were on his side, and early on he had his boys referring to Kobe as the "wonder-boy" or something like that. Kobe just stayed to himself because all the older players wanted to do was gamble and drink and he wasn't old enough to do either. All Shaq wanted to do was play around and Kobe didn't want any of that. So he was segregated from the get-go.[/QUOTE]
This is true. And Cedric Ceballos was traded very early in November of 1996. Surprised Kobe didn't catch heat for this either.
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[QUOTE=MrRogers]This is true. And Cedric Ceballos was traded very early in November of 1996. Surprised Kobe didn't catch heat for this either.[/QUOTE]
Why would Kobe catch heat for this one, Ceballos went on vacation by calling in sick because he can't accept the fact that he was no longer that star of the team and the Del Harris plays were not for him. Lakers got Horry after this and the rest is history.
Shaq knows how to write complete sentences?
LMAO @ this FAT troll. For the last 3 years, he has been kissing Kobe's ass like there's no tomorrow...even though Kobe barely acknowledged him. Now all of a sudden, he feels the need to talk trash...all in an effort to sell books. I barely remember he used to be a great player once. What more can Snaq do to sink lower? Is he going to talk trash about his coaches and owners? Oh wait, he already did that. He clearly doesn't know much about taking the high road.
Shaq should have ****ed Kobe to establish alpha male status years ago.
Shaq's an immature child stuck in a juvenile high school schoolyard mentality. it's obvious that Kobe was ostracized from the rest of the team because he's a driven motivated "square".
Kobe should been lauded for not giving into peer pressure and focus on the things that matter to him. not to go to some party just to be with the in crowd.
[QUOTE=heyhey]Shaq's an immature child stuck in a juvenile high school schoolyard mentality. it's obvious that Kobe was ostracized from the rest of the team because he's a driven motivated "square".
Kobe should been lauded for not giving into peer pressure and focus on the things that matter to him. not to go to some party just to be with the in crowd.[/QUOTE]
Shaq's said and one a lot of inappropriate things throughout his career. I was never really a fan of his personality even though so many love him.
He insults Kobe, Dwight, etc. He bullies his own teammates, and seems to come off as very petty. They're both to blame but he should have acted better as the older and star player at the time.
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