kobe comments on his game last night

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Heal uP properly for a couple months and come back healthy for the playoffs?

Nah, Kobes got an all-time scoring ladder to keep climbin up. You know those personal achievements always come first with Kobe above the team stuff.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

If Kobe is all about personal achievements, then why does he have 5 rings? I know people like to act like having 5 rings is such an insignificant accomplishment (God knows why), but it's the damn truth. If Kobe is so detrimental to the team, there's no way in hell he would have multiple rings.

**** man, why am I even responding to you? I know you're just going resort to the same bullshit. You're just gonna tell me I've been brainwashed by ESPN and the L.A media even though I don't watch ESPN and I don't live anywhere near L.A.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]but would he be criticized in that game 7 vs phx if smush parker wasnt passing up open 3s and instead dropped 20 pts? if kwame caught the ball a few times?

hindsight guys... hindsight.. the game before that he scored 50 and they lost. this balance you speak of is reliant on the teammates not kobe. i really believe that.[/QUOTE]

Look I'm not going to get into if he did it on purpose or what but if you go completely passive to the point you're passing up multiple open looks, not creating, not doing anything but standing on the perimeter and passing it to the next guy...you're not helping your team and that's what he did in the second half of game 7. You have a legit gripe if you want to talk about the first half, but it was the second half when he checked out. You coulda taken him out and replaced him with a scrub at that point time.

Now coming back to the present, this balance I speak of, it is completely reliant on Kobe because he's the one whose got the ball most of the time. Gasol & Drew won't get it if Kobe doesn't give it up. It's fine to chuck when you have Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to pass to. No one holds that against him. It's something completely different to do that when you have Pau Gasol and Bynum to pass to, especially when they're towering over midgets. I'm not asking for rocket science, just simple common sense bastketball.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Instead he watched film with Mike Brown on the plane.

The pattern is incredible. Play-up every twist and sprain before the game, make the entire game about Kobe shooting all sorts of difficult shots that will make people ooh and ahh if they go in (regardless of what the teams game plan is to try and win, thats irrelevent) then when he gets called out he does something funny afterwards to draw more attention and make ppl say "oh hes such a competitor and hard worker"

If he didnt play in LA, every Laker fan would think hes a totally overrated diva selfish bum. And not just cuz hed be a rival player but bc of who he is. But their dumb blind loyalty to a jersey and a social group makes them worshiP him like lil sheep morons.[/QUOTE]
why does everyone need to hate the overrated diva selfish bum
i like kobe even though i know he's a diva selfish bum and i'm not a lakers fan

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]it also depends on how kobe plays. if he sits there and only throws entry passes for 48 minutes then i'll question what he's doing.

again, you are making my point. why does it have to be 28 shots or 11 shots. why can't he just play the damn game of basketball and stop complicating things.

kobe's entire fanbase has literally adopted his personality. so damn stubborn. the guy goes 6 of 28 and blows in crunch time and you'd think his teammates where the washington generals with the excuses that are thrown out here...[/QUOTE]


it doesnt have to be 28 or 11.. but if its 28 its a problem, its 11 its a problem. the only way its not a problem is if he passes to them when they would have made the shot, and takes the shot and makes it when if he had passed and they would have missed. thats the only way for him to play a good game lol.

for others its easier because people dont care about them as much. bron and kobe get raped by this , dirk and kg for example dont because no one is comparing them to memories of how you felt about MJ when you were a 15 yr old boy.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]:facepalm

If Kobe is all about personal achievements, then why does he have 5 rings? I know people like to act like having 5 rings is such an insignificant accomplishment (God knows why), but it's the damn truth. If Kobe is so detrimental to the team, there's no way in hell he would have multiple rings.

**** man, why am I even responding to you? I know you're just going resort to the same bullshit. You're just gonna tell me I've been brainwashed by ESPN and the L.A media even though I don't watch ESPN and I don't live anywhere near L.A.[/QUOTE]


It's so funny how he sits there prattling on and on about how Laker/Kobe fans have supposedly been brainwashed by the media, but yet has to come on here PRETENDING to be a fan of another team when he's really a bandwagon Lebron fan. And everything he says really applies to himself. This will work about as well as his pathetic Kobe's faking the wrist injury hot garbage did:facepalm

[QUOTE=shadow] It's fine to chuck when you have Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to pass to. [/QUOTE]

this is definitely not in agreement with what ive read on these forums

[QUOTE=LakersReign]It's so funny how he sits there prattling on and on about how Laker/Kobe fans have supposedly been brainwashed by the media, but yet has to come on here PRETENDING to be a fan of another team when he's really a bandwagon Lebron fan. And everything he says really applies to himself. This will work about as well as his pathetic Kobe's faking the wrist injury hot garbage did:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Cause he's like a rebel dude! He's fighting "the man"! :rockon:

Kind of pathetic how hard he tries to be different and rebellious.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]:facepalm

If Kobe is all about personal achievements, then why does he have 5 rings? I know people like to act like having 5 rings is such an insignificant accomplishment (God knows why), but it's the damn truth. If Kobe is so detrimental to the team, there's no way in hell he would have multiple rings.

**** man, why am I even responding to you? I know you're just going resort to the same bullshit. You're just gonna tell me I've been brainwashed by ESPN and the L.A media even though I don't watch ESPN and I don't live anywhere near L.A.[/QUOTE]

Lebron, Wade, Howard, CP3 have all led a team with insignificant supporting casts to at least one playoff victory by being great all aroun players.

Kobes ability to score taking lots of shots never did that. The three years he played without stacked teams resulted in first round punkings. Hes not a leader, not a team player, and wouldnt be a winner if he werent spoiled by such a great franchise.

All things equal i take bron, wade, howard, cp3 and obviously shaq and duncan ahead of kobe in their primes.

Just tell the truth Kobe. Bynum had a great game, and you wanted to prove it was your team.



If Kobe doesn't learn to defer as he ages, the Lakers won't sniff another NBA Finals until he's retired.

o man this forum is about to get a whole lot better after i put tenor on ignore

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]
Hes not a leader, not a team player, and wouldnt be a winner if he werent spoiled by such a great franchise.
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Then why did he lead his team to 3 straight Finals appearances while winning two of them? Whether you like it or not, he was the best player on those teams.

The shit you're saying completely contradicts reality.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Lebron, Wade, Howard, CP3 have all led a team with insignificant supporting casts to at least one playoff victory by being great all aroun players.

Kobes ability to score taking lots of shots never did that. The three years he played without stacked teams resulted in first round punkings. Hes not a leader, not a team player, and wouldnt be a winner if he werent spoiled by such a great franchise.

All things equal i take bron, wade, howard, cp3 and obviously shaq and duncan ahead of kobe in their primes.[/QUOTE]
What?:oldlol:

CP3 has been out of the first round ONCE. And he had Tyson Chandler, Peja, and a 20/10 David West. Is that comparable to Kwame, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker?

Howard again has had one long playoff run in his career.. and he had a lot of guys step up that year that were better than Kobe's 06 teammates[not to mention he plays in the East].

Wade never got out of the first round w/o a 20+/10+ Shaq on his team when he was the main option.. his teams won 12 games one year, got bounced by the C's in the 1st round, and got bounced by the Hawks in the first round.

Lebron.. he's been on Kobe's level.. obviously. Great at dragging shittier teams even if his competition was much lower playing in the East.

It's one thing to be objective, but it's another to just say stupid shit. Kobe has been a selfish player his whole career.. but he's been one of the best basketball players to ever play. His talent overcame his ego when you look at it from a big picture standpoint. If Kobe were to have played with a perfect mindset and scored playmaked with perfect balance he would have challenged MJ for the GOAT title. But he didn't so he's only top 10-15 ALL TIME. That's still legendary so your stance just makes you look like an idiot.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]it doesnt have to be 28 or 11.. but if its 28 its a problem, its 11 its a problem. the only way its not a problem is if he passes to them when they would have made the shot, and takes the shot and makes it when if he had passed and they would have missed. thats the only way for him to play a good game lol.

for others its easier because people dont care about them as much. bron and kobe get raped by this , dirk and kg for example dont because no one is comparing them to memories of how you felt about MJ when you were a 15 yr old boy.[/QUOTE]

has nothing to do with mj. dirk doesn't get hammered like this because he doesn't do this shit very often.

see. i'm sorry, but you just sound like kobe and his legion of brainwashed fans. you think everyone has an agenda against him and just makes shit up. not the case.

if dirk jacked up 28 shots and had two of his teammates with great matchups rolling, i'd hammer him for it and wouldn't come up with bs excuses about how it was a gamble either way

that is the difference. you've been watching this shit go on for 16 years now that you've had to rationalize it completely....you've lost touch with basketball reality

Wade won a playoffs as a rookie playin with guess who? Lamar Odom, the guy u conveniently dont mention in Kobes cast. Vujacic didnt get nicknamed the machine bc laker fans always thought he sucked like they pretend to have now. Luke Walton was a decent role player before the injuries. Thats why he got that contract, bc he played pretty well. Good glue guy that facilitated.

Notice all those other guys DID win a playoff series with forgettable casts and u got an excuse why all them were lucky, and kobe didnt and u got one why he wasnt.

Hes TMac playin for a team that had GM Jerry West and deep pockets. The illusion hes some legend and all time great all around player is a facade cuz of those rings. His playoff stats arent even impressive, especially the finals.

Hes big time overrated. True facts.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]this is definitely not in agreement with what ive read on these forums[/QUOTE]

it depends on whose posting doesn't it? I would say you'd be hard pressed to find any reasonably posters right now faulting Kobe for taking 27 shots a game back in those days.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Wade won a playoffs as a rookie playin with guess who? Lamar Odom, the guy u conveniently dont mention in Kobes cast. Vujacic didnt get nicknamed the machine bc laker fans always thought he sucked like they pretend to have now. Luke Walton was a decent role player before the injuries. Thats why he got that contract, bc he played pretty well. Good glue guy that facilitated.

Notice all those other guys DID win a playoff series with forgettable casts and u got an excuse why all them were lucky, and kobe didnt and u got one why he wasnt.

Hes TMac playin for a team that had GM Jerry West and deep pockets. The illusion hes some legend and all time great all around player is a facade cuz of those rings. His playoff stats arent even impressive, especially the finals.

Hes big time overrated. True facts.[/QUOTE]


You sound just like 32Dayz^ saying Smush Parker was a great player:oldlol:

Stop embarrassing yourself:facepalm

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]has nothing to do with mj. dirk doesn't get hammered like this because he doesn't do this shit very often.

see. i'm sorry, but you just sound like kobe and his legion of brainwashed fans. you think everyone has an agenda against him and just makes shit up. not the case.

if dirk jacked up 28 shots and had two of his teammates with great matchups rolling, i'd hammer him for it and wouldn't come up with bs excuses about how it was a gamble either way

that is the difference. you've been watching this shit go on for 16 years now that you've had to rationalize it completely....you've lost touch with basketball reality[/QUOTE]

im not going to argue... we disagree so whats the point? i think your entire argument hinges on hindsight and is worth nothing in the middle of a game.

im just going to wait until gasol or bynum playing well is asked to win us a game, and they mess up and blow it and will come on here and await your response. that will be the only thing that tells me if u actually are making sense or youre just talking cuz u know the result of kobe continuing to shoot that game.

[QUOTE=shadow]it depends on whose posting doesn't it? I would say you'd be hard pressed to find any reasonably posters right now faulting Kobe for taking 27 shots a game back in those days.[/QUOTE]

Would depend on the game or situation but even back the. The Lakefs were always STATISTICALLY more successful in the W column when Kobe shot less than 20 per game.

Dude face it. He really cares more about shooting and being the star/hero than what the teams plan to win is. Hes lucky the Lakers offset that with great supporting casts most years, but when they dont he takes them nowhere then demands a trade to the bulls.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Wade won a playoffs as a rookie playin with guess who? Lamar Odom, the guy u conveniently dont mention in Kobes cast. Vujacic didnt get nicknamed the machine bc laker fans always thought he sucked like they pretend to have now. Luke Walton was a decent role player before the injuries. Thats why he got that contract, bc he played pretty well. Good glue guy that facilitated.
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And Wade wasn't even the best player on that team.. he averaged like 15/6 that year.:oldlol: What a terrible example. No mention of the three years his teams were first round fodder to teams like the Hawks?

Sasha Vujajic played for the Nets all last year and I watched at least 50 Nets games[went to 5]. He is complete ass. Terrible player. Dude shot sub 40% in nearly every game.

Luke Walton? Luke Walton?:oldlol:

Please dude. You're a moron. The 06 and 07 Lakers minus Kobe would have been the worst teams in the league sub 20 win clubs.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Would depend on the game or situation but even back the. The Lakefs were always STATISTICALLY more successful in the W column when Kobe shot less than 20 per game. [/QUOTE]

This is the most moronic stat that ESPN has come up with in recent memory. They use if for all superstars too, not just Kobe.

The reason that a superstar player is taking less shots almost always correlates with his teammates having above average games. When the teammates are lackluster the superstar is forced to earn his overblown paycheck.

OP is making a big deal out of nothing... Why WOULDN'T he take good shots? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=YAWN]This is the most moronic stat that ESPN has come up with in recent memory. They use if for all superstars too, not just Kobe.

The reason that a superstar player is taking less shots almost always correlates with his teammates having above average games. When the teammates are lackluster the superstar is forced to earn his overblown paycheck.[/QUOTE]
Yup..stupider than the winning football teams have more rushing yards stat.. no shit, teams run the ball more when they have a lead.

[QUOTE=tpols]And Wade wasn't even the best player on that team.. he averaged like 15/6 that year.:oldlol: What a terrible example. No mention of the three years his teams were first round fodder to teams like the Hawks?

Sasha Vujajic played for the Nets all last year and I watched at least 50 Nets games[went to 5]. He is complete ass. Terrible player. Dude shot sub 40% in nearly every game.

Luke Walton? Luke Walton?:oldlol:

Please dude. You're a moron. The 06 and 07 Lakers minus Kobe would have been the worst teams in the league sub 20 win clubs.[/QUOTE]

Excuse excuse excuse. Three years and no "winning" (thought he was such a winner?) until Fisher, Ariza, Gasol show up and Bynum breaks out and theyve got the leagues best frontcourt. Then start winning playoffs while Kobe chucks, and u think its the actual chucking thats doing it.

A stan will be a stan.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Excuse excuse excuse. Three years and no "winning" (thought he was such a winner?) until Fisher, Ariza, Gasol show up and Bynum breaks out and theyve got the leagues best frontcourt. Then start winning playoffs while Kobe chucks, and u think its the actual chucking thats doing it.

A stan will be a stan.[/QUOTE]


Fourth Tenor = 32Dayz

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Would depend on the game or situation but even back the. The Lakefs were always STATISTICALLY more successful in the W column when Kobe shot less than 20 per game.

Dude face it. He really cares more about shooting and being the star/hero than what the teams plan to win is. Hes lucky the Lakers offset that with great supporting casts most years, but when they dont he takes them nowhere then demands a trade to the bulls.[/QUOTE]

dont all superstars teams win more games when they shoot any sizable amount less?

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Excuse excuse excuse. Three years and no "winning" (thought he was such a winner?) until Fisher, Ariza, Gasol show up and Bynum breaks out and theyve got the leagues best frontcourt. Then start winning playoffs while Kobe chucks, and u think its the actual chucking thats doing it.

A stan will be a stan.[/QUOTE]
Bynum had no role in their first two Finals runs. Fisher is the worst starting PG on a championship team in 20 years. Gasol averaged the same stats David West did when he played with CP3 in 2009 when LA won the chip.

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]dont all superstars teams win more games when they shoot any sizable amount less?[/QUOTE]

The other dude says espn claims it bout numerous players but ive only ever heard it mentioned bout kobe, dating back to those days with his lesser casts. If someone has stats for others id be curious to see but lets be honest, theyre prob nowhere near as dramatic as kobes. The dude is just trigger happy no matter what. Bad teammate excuse doesnt fly when hes proven hell do it with any teammates. Shaq or Bynum/Gasol. He throws away his teams chances many nights bc he wants all the shots and all the adoration.

[QUOTE=tpols]Bynum had no role in their first two Finals runs. Fisher is the worst starting PG on a championship team in 20 years. Gasol averaged the same stats David West did when he played with CP3 in 2009 when LA won the chip.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

So 3 straight knockouts then 3 straight finals with a new cast, but it wasnt the new cast that was the difference? It was.... Kobe?

[QUOTE=Optimus Prime]Kobe's attitude is just the attitude you want to see from THE MAN on your team. He's a competitor. He's also a jerk and extremely confident in himself. He has to be...it comes with the territory of being the alpha dog on a high profile team. Guess what...Jordan was the same way!

Unfortunately, Kobe seems like the last of a dying breed of NBA player who just wants to win every game he plays and destroy the competition. It'll be a sad day when Kobe Bryant retires from the NBA, because [B]we're gonna be left with nothing but a bunch of SuperFriends hugging it out[/B]. :([/QUOTE]

Good post. I think Derrick Rose has the same drive as Kobe.

[quote=Fourth Tenor]Lebron, Wade, Howard, CP3 have all led a team with insignificant supporting casts to at least one playoff victory by being great all aroun players.

Kobes ability to score taking lots of shots never did that. The three years he played without stacked teams resulted in first round punkings. Hes not a leader, not a team player, and wouldnt be a winner if he werent spoiled by such a great franchise.

All things equal i take bron, wade, howard, cp3 and obviously shaq and duncan ahead of kobe in their primes.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=FourthTenor]So 3 straight knockouts then 3 straight finals with a new cast, but it wasnt the new cast that was the difference? It was.... Kobe?[/QUOTE]
It was the cast.. just like it was the cast for MJ when he got Pippen and Grant.. or when Lebron got Dwade and Bosh.. or when KG got Allen and Pierce.

When you go from playing with shit teammates to very good ones, your teams tend to do better. I really dont see your point. Who has won without good teammates besides maybe 2-3 guys in the history of the game? Is Pau Gasol better than Wade? Pippen? Pierce? Allen?

Kobe is done. He will make the first round of the playoffs, lose, then blame his team. At least he has more rings than Shaq and Duncan, the two best players since MJ/KAJ. Nobody cares if he won three as the sidekick. Nobody cares that he won one because of Pau. No biggy at all.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]The other dude says espn claims it bout numerous players but ive only ever heard it mentioned bout kobe, dating back to those days with his lesser casts. If someone has stats for others id be curious to see but lets be honest, theyre prob nowhere near as dramatic as kobes. The dude is just trigger happy no matter what. Bad teammate excuse doesnt fly when hes proven hell do it with any teammates. Shaq or Bynum/Gasol. He throws away his teams chances many nights bc he wants all the shots and all the adoration.[/QUOTE]

idk, itd make more sense to me that when a superstar takes 5+ shots less than his average the team more than likely wins because it would mean the bench played well, the superstar played less due to his teammates doing well and stuff like that. no matter who it is.

but maybe its most dramatic for kobe idk.

[QUOTE=talkingconch][img]http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

Notice how he has Chris Paul as his avatar, but mentions Paul LAST on his list, while mentioning Lebron....FIRST?:lol

The idiot is OBVIOUSLY a bandwagon Lebron fan who doesn't have the balls to admit it, hence the IRRATIONAL Kobe hate:facepalm

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]agree with him about taking shots on good looks.

the thing is that not all of his shots yesterday were on good looks.[/QUOTE]

Most of them were good looks plus.. Fisher blamed L.A's stagnant offense at times and said "We put Kobe in bad situations today, a lot of times he had to shoot just to hit the rim". Ur hurtin ur team if ur passin up open shots. Definetely his fault they lost the game but he needs to take open shots.

I really wish this game would have been on tnt....

Kobe is balling like he's in the finals.:violin:

One of the worst games ive ever seen him play...

Not just the horrible chucking, but the stupid turnovers and not giving a shit attitude.... Lakers were in it untill he fu*ked up badly late in the 4th... If your shot is off, why lauch contested 3s???:facepalm

[QUOTE=therammingman]More

"We always start inside-out," Bryant said, when asked about Bynum and Pau Gasol's effectiveness on offense. "If you mean (to ask me) if I'm going to shoot less, the answer is no. It starts with me. I do what I do and we play off of that. That's not going to change."

Why not end the game inside-out when it's working for 3 quarters????[/QUOTE]
I feel bad for poor bynum

[QUOTE=therammingman]Quote: janis carr: Kobe said he has no plans to stop shooting. Will figure out how to play with his wrist instead.

Quote: Dave McMenamin: KB was defiant about his 6-of-28 game: "If I have shots, I take them. If I shoot the ball 40 times with good looks, that