Problem w/ Blake Griffin shoving smaller Point Guards

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I beg to differ. The OP as well as the tards judging him are trying to spin it as if Blake Griffin is a bully and only goes after smaller players, hence the KG comparisons in this thread. Which is a complete load of sh**. Griffin has gotten into it with tons of players including other bigs and league "tough guys" like Leon Powe for example.

This isn't a case of Griffin being a dick and wanting to bully the little guy which is the angle OP is pushing. This is a case of Griffin playing with a fire and recklessness. I'm not saying this is a cool move because I think it's unnecessary. I'm saying it's not worth making a stupid thread with a clear agenda to slander a player.

BTW the Bynum elbow was SO much worse in severity. He was literally trucked mid air so hard that it looked like he could have broken ribs. Griffin gave a shove... nowhere near hard enough to injury Morris who was already gripping the rim hanging.[/QUOTE]

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OP cherry picked for his agenda.

Damn...I just became an Andre Miller fan.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I beg to differ. The OP as well as the tards judging him are trying to spin it as if Blake Griffin is a bully and only goes after smaller players, hence the KG comparisons in this thread. Which is a complete load of sh**. Griffin has gotten into it with tons of players including other bigs and league "tough guys" like Leon Powe for example.

This isn't a case of Griffin being a dick and wanting to bully the little guy which is the angle OP is pushing. This is a case of Griffin playing with a fire and recklessness. I'm not saying this is a cool move because I think it's unnecessary. I'm saying it's not worth making a stupid thread with a clear agenda to slander a player.

BTW the Bynum elbow was SO much worse in severity. He was literally trucked mid air so hard that it looked like he could have broken ribs. Griffin gave a shove... nowhere near hard enough to injury Morris who was already gripping the rim hanging.[/QUOTE]

^basically this.

Bynum used his sizable body weight to intentionally push Barea in mid-air (similar to many of his other dirty cheap shots) by giving him a hard elbow to the ribs.

Blake extended his arms and put his hands on Darius's hips, if i remember correctly, after the whistle blew and play stopped... he didn't deliberately shove Darius in the air to take him out, he simply stopped him from performing a superfluous show-off dunk after the whistle.. big difference to what Bynum did to JJ

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]^basically this.

Bynum used his sizable body weight to intentionally push Barea in mid-air (similar to many of his other dirty cheap shots) by giving him a hard elbow to the ribs.

Blake extended his arms and put his hands on Darius's hips, if i remember correctly, after the whistle blew and play stopped...[B] he didn't deliberately shove Darius in the air to take him out, he simply stopped him from performing a superfluous show-off dunk after the whistle[/B].. big difference to what Bynum did to JJ[/QUOTE]

no. he shoved him in the air

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]^basically this.

Bynum used his sizable body weight to intentionally push Barea in mid-air (similar to many of his other dirty cheap shots) by giving him a hard elbow to the ribs.

Blake extended his arms and put his hands on Darius's hips, if i remember correctly, after the whistle blew and play stopped... he didn't deliberately shove Darius in the air to take him out, he simply stopped him from performing a superfluous show-off dunk after the whistle.. big difference to what Bynum did to JJ[/QUOTE]

Yup. Morris wasn't midair either like people are crying. He had already dunked and gripped the rim as Griffin made the late contact.

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]no. he shoved him in the air[/QUOTE]

Look again....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0svJtzqqnU[/url]

He makes contact a half second after the dunk because Morris is already gripping the rim. Way to exaggerate and feed the agenda though.

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]no. he shoved him in the air[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs7pUfoOok"]skip to 0:41[/URL]

Blake extends his arms and stands there.. no shove or movement forward

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs7pUfoOok"]skip to 0:41[/URL]

Blake [B]extends his arms[/B] and stands there.. no shove or movement forward[/QUOTE]

definition of a shove

your clip shows it well

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Look again....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0svJtzqqnU[/url]

He makes contact a half second after the dunk because Morris is already gripping the rim. Way to exaggerate and feed the agenda though.[/QUOTE]

he shoved him. doesn't matter when the dunk took place

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]definition of a shove

your clip shows it well[/QUOTE]

if I extend my arms while standing still and you lunge toward me, would you also call that a shove?

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]if I extend my arms while standing still and you lunge toward me, would you also call that a shove?[/QUOTE]

if you extend them and it knocks me over as a result? yes

That was so soft I can't believe anyone would bring it up again after the game.

I'm a big Griffin fan but this ain't cool. If he wants to throw his weight around he should pick on som eguys his size. also, him and Lebron should have a flop-off. Weak stuff.

Look to me more like griffen was like half assedly paying attention while trying to like half catch morris for some reason, he wasn't really pushing him, but because he just kind of put his arms out to half catch him then he kind of pushed outwards it was sort of :wtf: don't do that man, even though nothing happened

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]if you extend them and it knocks me over as a result? yes[/QUOTE]

if I already have them extended and you jump into them? then your definition of a shove is incorrect.

Blake was standing there with his arms extended forward, and Darius collided with them... the force was not generated by Griffin, it was generated entirely by Darius and his momentum after the dunk.

a shove would be Blake using his arms to actively push Darius (i.e. putting his hands on Darius first and [I]then [/I]extending them) and the result would have been far more ugly.

I remember Andre Miller laying out MoPete when he was on the cavs

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]if I already have them extended and you jump into them? then your definition of a shove is incorrect.

Blake was standing there with his arms extended forward, and Darius collided with them... the force was not generated by Griffin, it was generated entirely by Darius and his momentum after the dunk.

a shove would be Blake using his arms to actively push Darius (i.e. putting his hands on Darius first and [I]then [/I]extending them) and the result would have been far more ugly.[/QUOTE]

griffin moved his arms toward morris and that movement caused morris to fall down. shove

force doesn't have to be generated by griffin. and i think it was

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]griffin moved his arms toward morris and that movement caused morris to fall down. shove

[B]force doesn't have to be generated by griffin[/B]. and i think it was[/QUOTE]

It really does... if that had been a brick wall there in place of Griffin's arms, the end result would have been similar.

but obviously a brick wall has no ability to shove. Morris collided with Blake's already extended arms, not a shove. i'd accept "laws of physics" though.

I was pissed when Blake shoved Morris for no reason. I don't give a shit about the whole "if they're gonna play after the whistle, I'm gonna defend after the whistle" crap. He could've potentially injured the guy!

I'm glad Andre Miller shoved his ass back, though. He deserved that.

I don't hate BG, but I really do hope he messes with the wrong player one day and gets his ass put in check mode.

He should be picking on guys his own size, anyway. Plenty of them in the L. No need to be shoving guards around. :rolleyes:

:oldlol: @ the Lakers fans selective memory in this thread.

U know what's funny? Griffin is always shovin, but whenever someone shoves him back he puts up his arms and the announcers always say ''This young man is growing up in front of our very own eyes. look at the maturity of Blake Griffin.'' LOL

:oldlol: @ the only people defending Blake are posters who have "Griffin" in their usernames

[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]It really does... if that had been a brick wall there in place of Griffin's arms, the end result would have been similar.

but obviously a brick wall has no ability to shove. Morris collided with Blake's already extended arms, not a shove. i'd accept "laws of physics" though.[/QUOTE]

haha terrible analogy. if someone placed a brick wall there, the person who placed it there would be in the wrong.

this is the equivalent of "my arms are swinging and if you hit them it's your own fault" bullsh*t that second graders pull.

when griffin initiated the action of moving his arms has nothing to do with the final result.

if griffin always walked around with his arms like that, every single moment, and did the same thing to morris, it wouldn't change anything. still a shove, and still an unnecessary, dangerous move

[QUOTE=BEAST Griffin]:oldlol: @ the Lakers fans selective memory in this thread.[/QUOTE]

bynum's move was a dick move too.

your point?

[QUOTE=Doranku]When you take into account Griffin's dirty play, CP3 and Griffin's incessant flopping, the annoying fans, and the fact that Mo Williams is on the team, it's becoming very easy to dislike Flop City.[/QUOTE]

its all good as long as they beat good ol Purple & Gold.

[QUOTE=thatoneblackguy]:oldlol: @ the only people defending Blake are posters who have "Griffin" in their usernames[/QUOTE]

OP cherry picked three incidents trying to prove that Blake goes out of his way to bully small guys. And he failed epically.

Butt hurt Lakers fans make up 80% of the posters in this thread criticizing Blake for this myth. The remaining 10% is probably Knicks fans and 10% fans of other teams that Blake dunked on.

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[QUOTE=SourGrapes]haha terrible analogy. if someone placed a brick wall there, the person who placed it there would be in the wrong.

this is the equivalent of "my arms are swinging and if you hit them it's your own fault" bullsh*t that second graders pull.

when griffin initiated the action of moving his arms has nothing to do with the final result.

if griffin always walked around with his arms like that, every single moment, and did the same thing to morris, it wouldn't change anything. still a shove, and still an unnecessary, dangerous move[/QUOTE]

let me ask you this... do you see a difference between these two hypothetical actions?

1. Blake standing there like he was, arms extended, and Darius collides into them

2. Blake going up to Darius in mid-air, putting his hands on Darius and [B]then [/B]forcibly extending his arms (like the motion you make when you do a push-up)

if you don't see a difference between the two and would equally consider them both to be shoving, then okay, we can call it a shove... i don't, however, consider both to be shoves... both actions are potentially dangerous, but the second is far more so because the force is being generated by Griffin's arms, while the first is an object in motion (Darius Morris) coming to an abrupt stop by colliding with a stationary object (Blake and his outstretched arms)

and Bynum elbowing Barea is way closer to the second scenario than it is to the first.

I have to agree with the Blake homers here. :D It was an immature and stupid thing for Griffin to do, but I don't think it compares with what Andrew Bynum did to J.J. Barea. That elbow was unmistakibly malicious and meant to harm. I think Blake's foul on Morris was more out of Blake not thinking and just reacting. It almost looked like he was going to embrace Darius from falling.

Anyways, it deserved a technical. Not sure about all of this debate though. :oldlol:

[quote=BGriffin's Dad][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs7pUfoOok"]skip to 0:41[/URL]

Blake extends his arms and stands there.. no shove or movement forward[/quote]

I think Griffin is a star player and arrogant douche, but I have no problem with this play.
Hardly touched him, looked like he was going to catch him then sort of pulled out of it. Was nothing.
As for the other PGs, they shouldnt be in the key. I speak on behalf of all big guys. Miller push was gutless and pathetic. Lined him up when he wasnt looking. Miller is the whiny b!tch in all this, proven time and again over whole career. Griffin is annoyingly arrogant to me, but he isnt mean spirited.

I have no problem with this play. If it would have been a harder hit I would have had a bigger issue.

I do have a problem with his attitude. Guy is a front runner. When things are going well he posing and acting like he is shit, when things are bad he pouts and whines and bitches.

regardless of what you want to call it, morris could have been seriously injured because of what blake did.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I have no problem with this play. If it would have been a harder hit I would have had a bigger issue.

I do have a problem with his attitude. Guy is a front runner. When things are going well he posing and acting like he is shit, when things are bad he pouts and whines and bitches.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm . Griffin always goes after refs even if the Clippers are winning. It's his competitiveness. Has absolutely nothing to do with frontrunning :no: . He whines too much but lol at "pouting" and "frontrunning".

[QUOTE=DuMa]as for the thread. Blake is a very physical player. great motor and loves playing chippy. Its nothing towards any kinds of players, he just wants to box out and be in position for the rebound every chance he gets. Blake is old school. He just plays with contact.


"If they're going to play after the whistle, I'm going to defend after the whistle." --Blake Griffin :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Except he wasn't defending after the whistle... He literally pushed the guy.

He needs to quit playing like a little bitch... Although I don't really care, when some random bench-warmer decides to end his career when he's going for a dunk by breaking his ankle I'll probably just laugh :oldlol:

Andre Miller is old school. This is great stuff. :lol Dre > Blake

blake griffin is a flopping punk and it's obvious to everyone who's not a biased clippers fan. complete bitch player and he's ugly as sin too

I didn't think the one from last night was bad, but the other two made him look like a prick. I really liked him last season too, but the more I watch him the more he comes across as a bit of a douche.

[QUOTE=BEAST Griffin]No, but that's just one incident.


in the other video, if Andre Miller can't handle being in the paint with the big guys he shouldn't go there and then act like a bitch because he got a shove going for a board.[/QUOTE]

lol wat:facepalm

:hammerhead: At all these blake fans defending him. How can Griffin fans defends shoves when this guy flops every time down the court.

i wanna see him push dwill tonight, so he can set him straight

Griffin is a nice guy off the court. Last year he started off as too much a nice guy and got abused in the paint. He quickly learned how nasty the NBA is. So, he's no longer a nice guy. He's quite nasty on the court. He's old school, he's not there to be friends with the opposing team. There are guys always pushing in the paint. It's just that when a small guy goes in there with the big guys the little guy has no chance against the big. Griffin pushes and shoves like every other player in the league. He's not trying to hurt people. He gets hacked and hit all the time. Chalmers and the heat were sore losers and tried to get Griffin upset. It ended up back firing on them and he just when beast on them. He also learned the flopping from other great floppers like kobe, lebron, wade, etc. This is just people nit picking. Haters. When you have a lot of haters than you know you're good. He's not a bad guy.