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[QUOTE=iDefend5]What was Pierce's shooting %? Higher or lower than 48%?
[SIZE="3"][B]Also how did Pierce and Lebron do at the FT line and 3 pt line[/B][/SIZE]
Please tell me.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
you are really not worth arguing with.
The Celtics got the best defensive team in the league that season by far and you're just saying 45 points on 48% shooting against a team like that is like "meh so what?"
[QUOTE=iDefend5]Yeah Lebron is an unclutch defender. I would love to have Lebron defend my best perimeter player in clutch games and moments cause I know my guy would destroy him. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
lebron has probably made more game winning clutch defensive plays than majority of the NBA players in the past 3-4 seasons.. I am not gonna go and get videos cuz you are trolling hard, you can youtube them
[QUOTE=iDefend5]Yeah Lebron is an unclutch defender. I would love to have Lebron defend my best perimeter player in clutch games and moments cause I know my guy would destroy him. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_QR614H1ts[/url]
:lol
[QUOTE=asdf1990]lebron has probably made more game winning clutch defensive plays than majority of the NBA players in the past 3-4 seasons.. I am not gonna go and get videos cuz you are trolling hard, you can youtube them[/QUOTE]
RG is just talking out of his ass.
The Heat had no help defense when LeBron make Rose shot that airball in game 4 in the ECF.
idefend5 relax buddy relax.
Ok lebron is bad defender
lebron is not clutch defender.
Lebron is average at best help defender.
He is not even top 5.
(durant,pierce,deng,iggy,marion are better)
OK,if you are not satisfied.
Lebron is not even the best player let alone best defender on his own team.
OK???
[img]http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/164408_o.gif[/img]
Kblaze to RG - Not in my House.
[QUOTE=Lebron23][img]http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/164408_o.gif[/img]
Kblaze to RG - Not in my House.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvRc7pwnt0U[/url]
Of course it is overrated. Just watch game four of the finals. 2-1 series lead, Heat up nine in the 4th quarter and he let Terry blow by him for four quick points without even making an attempt to stop him. It was pathetic. Mavs cut it to five, Heat immediately call timeout. Too late. Mavs go on to win the game and the series.
[QUOTE=iDefend5]Excellent point. How did Paul Pierce do in that Game 7 against LeBron James in 2008?
:roll:[/QUOTE]
Lebron still did better?:lol
Anyway, your pointy being?
Worst Thread Ever.
[quote=Lebron23]Worst Thread Ever.[/quote]
agreed
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Of course it is overrated. Just watch game four of the finals. 2-1 series lead, Heat up nine in the 4th quarter and he let Terry blow by him for four quick points without even making an attempt to stop him. It was pathetic. Mavs cut it to five, Heat immediately call timeout. Too late. Mavs go on to win the game and the series.[/QUOTE]
Ok i can agree with anything as long as it has some evidence but come on you are talking about one possession.Really are you that pathetic?I am not even talking about whether lebron is overrated or underrated or good or bad defender.
I am talking about the logic.Have you ever been to school.
please dont answer anymore to this stupid thread.We all understand idefend5 despise lebron.
[QUOTE=iDefend5]It's understandable why most Lebron fans are dumb, and it is because they're black.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3355640&postcount=1805[/url]
[QUOTE=arifgokcen]Ok i can agree with anything as long as it has some evidence but come on you are talking about one possession.Really are you that pathetic?I am not even talking about whether lebron is overrated or underrated or good or bad defender.
I am talking about the logic.Have you ever been to school.
please dont answer anymore to this stupid thread.We all understand idefend5 despise lebron.[/QUOTE]
That is what we call an example.
That is the biggest game of his life. Terry had just punked him in the media. If he plays his alleged all NBA defense twice, he reaches the ultimate goal in his sport and he CHOSE not to. He didn
[QUOTE=chazzy][url]http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3355640&postcount=1805[/url][/QUOTE]
I remember this :lol
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]That is what we call an example.
That is the biggest game of his life. Terry had just punked him in the media. If he plays his alleged all NBA defense twice, he reaches the ultimate goal in his sport and he CHOSE not to. He didn
[B]Lebron James is one of the Best Defenders in the Game.
Overrated? More like Underrated...
[U]Defensive Win Shares [/U]
[COLOR="Blue"]2006-07 NBA 5.7 (4)
2008-09 NBA 6.5 (2)
2009-10 NBA 5.2 (3)
2010-11 NBA 5.3 (3)[/COLOR]
2011-12 NBA 2.2 (7)
Career NBA 40.9 (79)
Career 40.9 (85)
[U]Defensive Rating [/U]
[COLOR="blue"]2008-09 NBA 99.1 (3) [/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=madmax]Lebron still did better?:lol
Anyway, your pointy being?[/QUOTE]
pierce wins the game, scores with much higher efficiency, and lebron outplayed him? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Lebron James is one of the Best Defenders in the Game.
Overrated? More like Underrated...
[U]Defensive Win Shares [/U]
[COLOR="Blue"]2006-07 NBA 5.7 (4)
2008-09 NBA 6.5 (2)
2009-10 NBA 5.2 (3)
2010-11 NBA 5.3 (3)[/COLOR]
2011-12 NBA 2.2 (7)
Career NBA 40.9 (79)
Career 40.9 (85)
[U]Defensive Rating [/U]
[COLOR="blue"]2008-09 NBA 99.1 (3) [/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
what are winshares?
please explain how one quantifies winshares?
[IMG]http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/Rabbit2100/shitstorm.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Why hasn't a lebron supporter answered wockavodkas question? If lebron this great defender, how do you explain what terry and marion did to him? Marion called him a [B]BITCH[/B]. Terry said james can't guard him. They were calling him out.[/QUOTE]
LeBron James is viewed as a hyped, child-ish, coward, stat padding loser by his peers?
Can you imagine someone calling MJ a [B]BITCH[/B] in the Finals for the world to see?
:oldlol:
The offensive wraith that would ensue would be like watching Hurricane Katrina at the height of it's destruction.
If anything is overrated about LeBron, I don't believe it is his defense by any stretch. The man is a lockdown man-to-man defender whose lateral quickness and size allows him to shutdown anybody of any position. Great help-defender, great ability to read the offense and a gritty overall defender...LeBron is the real deal.
Any Kobe stan should be able to admit this, any basketball fan period should be able to admit this. Anything saying the contrary seems like meaningless bickering and hating, and this is coming from a huge fan of the Mamba.
[QUOTE=SwooshReturns]LeBron James is viewed as a hyped, child-ish, coward, stat padding loser by his peers?
Can you imagine someone calling MJ a [B]BITCH[/B] in the Finals for the world to see?
:oldlol:
The offensive wraith that would ensue would be like watching Hurricane Katrina at the height of it's destruction.[/QUOTE]
At that point, I just knew Lebron would never be looked at in the upper echelon of players (Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Kobe, etc). Terry and Marion were clowning on him throughout the Finals. I just couldn't picture someone talking so much shit to somebody like Jordan or Bird and getting away with it.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]I just couldn't picture someone talking so much shit to somebody like Jordan or Bird and getting away with it.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/109190631.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bladers]The most overrated defender of the decade.
He is not even a better defender than Durant.
Lebron is on top, Durant is on bottom.
Stats prove Durant is light years better.
[IMG]http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9164/durantvslebron.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Lebron James is one of the Best Defenders in the Game.
Overrated? More like Underrated...
[U]Defensive Win Shares [/U]
[COLOR="Blue"]2006-07 NBA 5.7 (4)
2008-09 NBA 6.5 (2)
2009-10 NBA 5.2 (3)
2010-11 NBA 5.3 (3)[/COLOR]
2011-12 NBA 2.2 (7)
Career NBA 40.9 (79)
Career 40.9 (85)
[U]Defensive Rating [/U]
[COLOR="blue"]2008-09 NBA 99.1 (3) [/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
Funny how people disregard real statistics and take things like winshares seriously.... lol win-shares... what a joke.
[B]Real stat:[/B] If I defend someone 10 times on isolation play and was succesful in stopping him 5 out of the times .That means he shoots 50% when I'm guarding him in isolation plays. This same goes for pick and roll, post up, spot up etc.
Not that win shares bs that has no meaning. come on son. get real! :facepalm
I've seen the same synergy picture posted about ten times on this forum since I started posting. I wonder how old it is. The picture doesn't even have the comparison stats for each individual. Just numbers thrown all over the board.
Anyway LeBron is the most versatile defender in the league as he can guard ANY position effectively and do it well at that. He is a top 5 perimeter defender in this league. Anyone that disagrees is just some ignorant hater. A case for the best could be easily made, but theres a few guys in that boat(Tony Allen, Iguodala, etc.). Don't see how that's overrated.
He is not a lock down defender by no means...but he can chase anyone down like a mofo.
He deserves another spot in the All NBA Defensive team.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer Hubbs]I've seen the same synergy picture posted about ten times on this forum since I started posting. I wonder how old it is. The picture doesn't even have the comparison stats for each individual. Just numbers thrown all over the board.
Anyway LeBron is the most versatile defender in the league as he can guard ANY position effectively and do it well at that. He is a top 5 perimeter defender in this league. Anyone that disagrees is just some ignorant hater. A case for the best could be easily made, but theres a few guys in that boat(Tony Allen, Iguodala, etc.). Don't see how that's overrated.[/QUOTE]
I took that picture today.
go to [url]www.mysynergysports.com[/url] to check it out yourself. IT does have comparison stat if you looked at it with your eyes open and your glasses off homer.
[B]USE YOUR GOSHDAMN BRIAN.[/B]
I told you the top was Lebron and the bottom was Durant.
Yet again we see the failure of American's education system.
Secondly, no he is not "the most versatile defender". He is not a great defender to begin with.
LOOK AT THE DEFENSIVE STATS NOT THE HYPE!
NOT THE WIN SHARES BULLSHIT!
NOT THE FAST BREAK CHASE DOWN BLOCKS!
its amazing how people think that chasing someone down on a fastbreak to get a block = playing defenses.
Just because a player is strong enough and big enough to play multiple position doesn't mean he's good a it. It just means he's serviceable.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer Hubbs]I've seen the same synergy picture posted about ten times on this forum since I started posting. I wonder how old it is. The picture doesn't even have the comparison stats for each individual. Just numbers thrown all over the board.
Anyway LeBron is the most versatile defender in the league as he can guard ANY position effectively and do it well at that. He is a top 5 perimeter defender in this league. Anyone that disagrees is just some ignorant hater. A case for the best could be easily made, but theres a few guys in that boat(Tony Allen, Iguodala, etc.). Don't see how that's overrated.[/QUOTE]
Dude please. If Lebron was really all that, then he would've stepped up and shut down Jason Terry in the Finals. Terry FLAT OUT told him "you CAN'T guard me......PERIOD" and set out to prove it. So please don't come in here with all that "oh well you're just a hater" hot garbage.:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Why hasn't a lebron supporter answered wockavodkas question? If lebron this great defender, how do you explain what terry and marion did to him? Marion called him a [B]BITCH[/B]. Terry said james can't guard him. They were calling him out.[/QUOTE]
Marion befuddled Lebron with his newfound post game. I don't think Lebron is used to defending guys on the low block. Seriously, how many wing players these days actually have that skill in their games? Marion has suspect handles and isn't the typical slasher so he negated Lebron's lateral quickness and took him down on the low block, gave him a lesson and showed Lebron the kind of skill he should have had years ago. I think Marion woke Lebron up in that regard. When your jumpshot is off and you can't slash because the lane is clogged a good post game is your best friend for high percentage shots.
League's best defender is Dwight Howard. He can anchor on his lonesome championship caliber defense. Especially considering the weak ass INDIVIDUAL defenders he plays alongside.
LeBron James is the league's most versatile defender. He can defend (on quick nights) PG - PF, and on occassion against very small centers. He's hardly the best man defender though.
He's not even his team's best man defender at his position. That would be Shane Battier, easily.
This is getting out of hand.
What i dont understand is general consensus shows that lebron is not even top 5 defender.
He is not even the second best defender on his own team.Wade,battier are better.
So according to ISH,lebron is probably ranks between 6th and 10th spot.
He is still overrated.Man that means he is not even top 10.I have read all the posts
1-Howard
2-Chandler
3-Iggy
4-Deng
5-Marion
6-Allen
7-Wade
8-Lebron
I think lebron ranks #8 at least according to ISH.
Sorry guys but i dont think he is overrated at all.Because i think he at least deserves to be in top 10.
Please am i wrong?
[QUOTE=KBryant24]he can guard 1-4, enough said[/QUOTE]
I saw him lock down Dwight Howard too WOW:eek: :eek:
This is getting out of hand.
What i dont understand is general consensus shows that lebron is not even top 5 defender.
He is not even the second best defender on his own team.Wade,battier are better.
So according to ISH,lebron is probably ranks between 6th and 10th spot.
He is still overrated.Man that means he is not even top 10.I have read all the posts
1-Howard
2-Chandler
3-Iggy
4-Deng
5-Marion
6-Allen
7-Wade
8-Lebron
I think lebron ranks #8 at least according to ISH.
Sorry guys but i dont think he is overrated at all.Because i think he at least deserves to be in top 10.
Please am i wrong?
1. Dwight
2. LeBron
anything else is wrong wrong wrong
[QUOTE=SwooshReturns][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/109190631.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
His defense is overrated but much better than Kobe's.
[QUOTE=TheBigVeto]His defense is overrated but much better than Kobe's.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is not a good defender since 2006.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Kobe is not a good defender since 2006.[/QUOTE]
LeBron's defense has been overrated for a very long time. The dude averages as many blocks as some PGs. For his athleticism, he should be a great defender, but he is below average.