Stan Van Gundy confirms Dwight Howard asked Magic to fire him

[QUOTE=Punpun]Nope. SVG isn't the source. The source come from the guys in management who told SVG this. It's different.[/QUOTE]
SVG confirmed it so yes, he would be A source. Not the same source. And no one watching it would give a ****,. NO THIS IS NOT REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH SVG IS SAYING IT, HE DID NOT SAY IT FIRST.

Are you ****ing kidding?

D12 is clearly asking them what is their source. What is their source on "I asked SVG to be fired". SVG is merely a relayer as the rumor was already out there.

[QUOTE=Punpun]D12 is clearly asking them what is their source. What is their source on "I asked SVG to be fired". SVG is merely a relayer as the rumor was already out there.[/QUOTE]
You think SVG is relaying a rumor? That he doesn't actually know? How far down your mouth is D12's dick? Are you one of his baby mama or something?

[QUOTE=Punpun]D12 is clearly asking them what is their source. What is their source on "I asked SVG to be fired". SVG is merely a relayer as the rumor was already out there.[/QUOTE]
He was told directly from management, not relaying a rumor

I believe you can't read. I also believe you are on a mission. That's the only reason you are so uncouth.

[QUOTE=chazzy]He was told directly from management, not relaying a rumor[/QUOTE]

And the rumor also came from someon ein management. Therefore SVG is only relaying the rumor. If yo uwant to stop this rumor, you ask either d12, he denied it, or the Management.

Pretty easy to understand no ?

[QUOTE=Punpun]And the rumor also came from someon ein management. Therefore SVG is only relaying the rumor. If yo uwant to stop this rumor, you ask either d12, he denied it, or the Management.

Pretty easy to understand no ?[/QUOTE]
For you apparently. For all of us not you, no.

SVG is not relaying a rumor, he is saying FACT. You think the Magic are telling him Dwight wants him fired but Dwight really doesn't? What possible logic is there?

And i don't have an "agenda", i honestly think you are being retarded and my lack of "couth" is because since you think SVG is relaying a rumor, you might not take subtlelty well.

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SVG is not relaying a rumor, he is saying FACT. You think the Magic are telling him Dwight wants him fired but Dwight really doesn't? What possible logic is there?
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No. SVG is only adding weigth to the rumor. That's all. There are only TWO people who can be taken for their words. D12 and the management he spoke with.

In other words ask Otis and D12. D12 already denied it. Now they simply have to ask Otis.

That's how things works. You don't condemn people for second hand testimony.

[QUOTE=Punpun]No. SVG is only adding weigth to the rumor. That's all. There are only TWO people who can be taken for their words. D12 and the management he spoke with.

In other words ask Otis and D12. D12 already denied it. Now they simply have to ask Otis.

That's how things works. You don't condemn people for second hand testimony.[/QUOTE]
:lol you're a moron.

And you are pretty limited.

Who cares? Stan Van Gundy deserves to be fired anyway.

[QUOTE=Punpun]And you are pretty limited.[/QUOTE]
if you mean i don't ignore evidence in order to be a stan for an NBA player acting like a tool, yes i am limited in my ability to do that.

Do you think the fact that everyone in this thread except you has a different opinion is because you've figured out something the rest of us missed?

that video was sooooo awkward...lol

Unless Dwight agrees to sign with the Magic next year I don't think he should ask for something like this. What if they fire Stan and then Dwight just leaves right after?

**** off bro. I'm no stan. No idea where you take that from. See how limited you are ? The moment someone has not the same idea than you then he is a stan and his point is wrong.

If SVG says so, then it's true. Even tho he wasn't there when D12 allegedly said it. If both Otis and D12 denies it, then he never asked for it. That's all. As things stand only D12 denied it. Reporters should do their jobs and ask Otis.

Why do you believe D12 is lieing ? Because SVG said so ? But SVG only heard second-hand commentary from some guy in management.

[QUOTE=Punpun]Nope. SVG isn't the source. The source come from the guys in management who told SVG this. It's different.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever done a book report before? When you cite your sources, you cite where you got your information from, that doesn't necessarily have to be from the mouth of the person you're doing your report on.

"Stan Van Gundy was just here and told us he said you want him fired"

"What's your source?"

"Are you serious? I just freakin told you what source I'm using"


If SVG says Dwight wants him fired, Dwight says something like "I just want to win" it's obvious whats going on. You can't seriously think Dwight doesn't have some sort of tension against SVG?

[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]Have you ever done a book report before? When you cite your sources, you cite where you got your information from, that doesn't necessarily have to be from the mouth of the person you're doing your report on. [/QUOTE]

D12 asked management to fire SVG. RUMOR

SVG just added weigth to the rumor that was going around by confirming it. FACT.
D12 denied it. FACT.
OTIS didn't confirm anything yet. FACT.

So "go ask the SOURCE". AKA ASK OTIS.

Damn, you guys are slow.

The coach is usually the first to get blamed when teams that were contenders fall off. I don't quite agree with Howard going to management asking them to fire the coach, but it seems like it's inevitable that he will be fired regardless. SVG's "outside in" style clearly needs to go cuz teams already know how to limit their scoring. SVG is only part of the problem though, but firing him would be a start.

[QUOTE=Punpun]**** off bro. I'm no stan. No idea where you take that from. See how limited you are ? The moment someone has not the same idea than you then he is a stan and his point is wrong.

If SVG says so, then it's true. Even tho he wasn't there when D12 allegedly said it. If both Otis and D12 denies it, then he never asked for it. That's all. As things stand only D12 denied it. Reporters should do their jobs and ask Otis.

Why do you believe D12 is lieing ? Because SVG said so ? But SVG only heard second-hand commentary from some guy in management.[/QUOTE]
I believe Dwight is lying because he's acted like a tool changing his mind back and forth during this whole process and because there is motivation for him to lie, and no motivation for SVG. SVG might get fired with time left on his deal, and although im sure he can get another job, this will certainly be a black mark against future employers. He aired dirty laundry.

SVG is probably getting fired over this, maybe in the next few hours.

What do you think the motivation is for SVG to lie here?

I never said SVG was lieing. I said SVG heard seconhands report. "Someoneone told me someone (D12) asked Otis to fire me.". That's secondhand report. Heck it might be third hand report if it comes from someone else than Otis.

"Someone told me someone told him D12 asked Otis for you to be fired". See how unreliable this can easily become ?

Besides airing dirty laundry will always be put against you when researching another job. Afterall, it'd simply means you can not be trusted not tu run your mouth off.

I called this when the DHo trade drama first started. The Magic prostituted themselves to keep their star, and now the aftereffects of publicly ceding decision-making power to a player will start to hurt them big-time.

They should have just traded him when he asked for it.

Now, how is a new coach going to come in and establish any kind of authority when he knows that DHo can simply call upstairs and veto his job? Why would any superstar come to Orlando when its commonly known that Dwight runs things?

The Magic "won" in the short-term by keeping DHo, but will lose in the long run. They never should have sacrificed their organizational integrity. That's like selling your soul to the devil.

Howard should be in New Jersey right now.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]I called this when the DHo trade drama first started. The Magic prostituted themselves to keep their star, and now the aftereffects of publicly ceding decision-making power to a player will start to hurt them big-time.

Now, how is a new coach going to come in and establish any kind of authority when he knows that DHo can simply call upstairs and veto his job? Why would any superstar come to Orlando when its commonly known that Dwight runs things?
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Blame the management who allowed this to get out the room. You know, you could have fired SVG withotu tellling him he was asked to be fired by D12 by example. All this drama is because the Magics' GM is a ****ing amateur.

[QUOTE=Punpun]D12 asked management to fire SVG. RUMOR

SVG just added weigth to the rumor that was going around by confirming it. FACT.
D12 denied it. FACT.
OTIS didn't confirm anything yet. FACT.

So "go ask the SOURCE". AKA ASK OTIS.

Damn, you guys are slow.[/QUOTE]

The reporter wanted a reaction of what Dwight thought about SVG saying management telling SVG Dwight wants him fired... Get it?

"Dwight, so... SVG told us that management told him you wanted him fired. How do you feel about your coach saying this?"

"What's your source on SVG saying this?"

"SVG just freakin' said it, like two seconds ago" :confusedshrug:


Either

1. SVG/Management is lying. In which case Dwight would say something like "I have no idea why SVG would say that. Either management made something up about me asking for a trade, or SVG made that up himself. They are all snakes, I have no faith in this organization b/c they are just making $hit up and putting words in my mouth, I feel disrespected"

2. SVG is telling the truth AND Dwight asked management to fire SVG. In which case Dwight would either say "Yeah I asked management to fire his ass, so what?" or "I don't know what you guys are talking about, I want to just win"


Come on man, put the pieces together. You are the star player, your coach just said you wanted him fired. That's a HUGE accusation. The only reaction you're going to have is a "source?" Are you serious!? If LeBron was asked in a post game session "So we heard that you told Riley you want Spoelstra to be fired?" You know LeBron would be like "What!?!? You guys are nuts man, nothing of the sort ever came out of my mouth". It wouldn't be something like "Well.. you know i just want to win"

[QUOTE=Punpun]Blame the management who allowed this to get out the room. You know, you could have fired SVG withotu tellling him he was asked to be fired by D12 by example. All this drama is because the Magics' GM is a ****ing amateur.[/QUOTE]
This isn't the GM's fault. He obviously didn't put this "veto power" offer on the table.

Whether it got out publicly, or not, even hinting that a player would have the power to fire a coach or GM is just stupid.

It was upper management and ownership who adopted the "must keep Dwight at all costs" campaign. Ultimately, all of the clouds lingering over the franchise stem from that bad decision.

@Infinite, Nope. As I've already pointed out, this is not as binary as you'd like to think.

SVG didn't even say that. SVG did he was told by someone in management D12 asked for him to be fired. It's completely different.

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@Shep, and who is to blame ? D12 who never said he wanted this power (in public) or the management who leaked all those rumors.

Seems pretty obvious for me.

its kinda obvious from the story that Dwight wants him fired.. there's 2 things that jumped out at me that Dwight said though

1) Dwight wanted to know what the reporters sources were

2) Why would I want to fire him with 12-15 games (whatever it was) left in the season?

I kinda laughed at the 2nd one because its a bad way to respond to the accusations.

Dwight hasn't learned the art of knowing when to keep your god damn mouth shut already.

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I just watched that shit on ESPN. SVG is telling reporters how much he doesn't care if he's fired or not, then Dwight walks in like "What's up coach?"

Awkward as ****.

Lettuce beef real tea here, Dwight Howard runs the Magic organization, not Otis Smith, not anyone else. The Magic are nothing more than a puppet to Dwight Howard. It is sad really.

Magic need Jerry Sloan. Jerry Sloan don't play.

[QUOTE=Punpun]@Infinite, Nope. As I've already pointed out, this is not as binary as you'd like to think.

SVG didn't even say that. SVG did he was told by someone in management D12 asked for him to be fired. It's completely different.

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Yes you're right. In an effort to build team unity and construct a winner's mentality in lieu of the playoffs, magic management made up a lie and told Stan Van Gundy that Dwight Howard asked for him to be fired. Either that or SVG has gone crazy and started making up things.

Dwight would never ask for SVG to be fired, they get along so well. Can't you tell by the video? :hammerhead:

loyalty hahahaha

[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]Yes you're right.
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Thank you.

[QUOTE=Punpun]Dwight can do no wrong. I love him.[/QUOTE]
THat explains it.

Howard should have asked the management to fire the management... they made so much dumb moves in a row


It would be hilarious if the Magic fire SVG and hire D'Antoni. :lol

Look bro, you ran the tail between the legs without answering last time. Don't come for more.

[QUOTE=Punpun]I'm one of Dwights 271 illegitimate children, i need to rep him.[/QUOTE]
I see.

[QUOTE=niko]I'm SVG's wife. Gotta stick up to his fat ass[/QUOTE]

Damn this is funny.