Charles Barkley says the NBA lies about player heights, so does DraftExpress:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]
Example? Shaq on draftexpress is listed 7'1 303

In truth he was 7'0.88 in 1992 - to be precise. If you ask me, that should be the number they use but they can't change it until somebody submits the original source which I am actually apt to do at some point. I've collected a lot of player measurements and identified some of those vintage draft data innacuracies. But players from the past decade that D/E actually put the tape too themselves? :facepalm They actually measured those guys, it isn't second hand. Go fap to some AP highlights and stop trying to discredit the thread with your unsubstantiated nonsense.[/QUOTE]

I don't think they list as specific as 7'0.88 and rounded to the nearest quarter inch, that's 7'1". Getting more precise than a quarter inch is pretty pointless so that's not an inaccurate listing.

By the way, where exactly is your source for such a precise figure? I seriously doubt they listed players that precise.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I don't think they list as specific as 7'0.88 and rounded to the nearest quarter inch, that's 7'1". Getting more precise than a quarter inch is pretty pointless so that's not an inaccurate listing.

By the way, where exactly is your source for such a precise figure? I seriously doubt they listed players that precise.[/QUOTE]

They definitely do go that precise when they use fractions of an inch - I'll try to dig up that Shaq article I got it from a newspaper clip from the time he was being drafted - he was measured twice within a matter of 2 weeks or something

First measurement 7-0 and 5/8ths @ 301lbs

Second measurement 7-0 and 7/8ths @ 303lbs

They simply rounded those figures up to 7-1 for print - and used his 303lb weigh in for his initial rookie listing / draft info.

5/8ths is 0.63
7/8ths is 0.88

hence he technically measured 7-0.88"

Jabbar is cited as 7-1 and 7/8ths in 1970's newspapers, the same way Wilt is cited 7-1 and 1/16th - etc. So when fractions of inches are given, that's how I get the precision up to the decimal point

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I don't think they list as specific as 7'0.88 and rounded to the nearest quarter inch, that's 7'1". Getting more precise than a quarter inch is pretty pointless so that's not an inaccurate listing.

By the way, where exactly is your source for such a precise figure? I seriously doubt they listed players that precise.[/QUOTE]
The dude has an an agenda to make it look like Wilt is close to as big as Shaq. Sorry OP, Wilt looks like a teenager next to the man Shaq.

Draftexpress definitely LIES about player's heights. They list some players way taller barefoot than they really are and list some way shorter barefoot than they really are.

That whole website is an absolute joke.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]The dude has an an agenda to make it look like Wilt is close to as big as Shaq. Sorry OP, Wilt looks like a teenager next to the man Shaq.[/QUOTE]
I really wish Jlauber was here for you to harass but I seriously think you killed him already. Your not supposed to make old people with high blood pressure frustrated beyond belief. Mid-essay a couple of months back now, I fear that he croaked upon seeing one of your routine anti-Wilt threads :(

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]They definitely do go that precise when they use fractions of an inch - I'll try to dig up that Shaq article I got it from a newspaper clip from the time he was being drafted - he was measured twice within a matter of 2 weeks or something

First measurement 7-0 and 5/8ths @ 301lbs

Second measurement 7-0 and 7/8ths @ 303lbs

They simply rounded those figures up to 7-1 for print - and used his 303lb weigh in for his initial rookie listing / draft info.

5/8ths is 0.63
7/8ths is 0.88

hence he technically measured 7-0.88"

Jabbar is cited as 7-1 and 7/8ths in 1970's newspapers, the same way Wilt is cited 7-1 and 1/16th - etc. So when fractions of inches are given, that's how I get the precision up to the decimal point[/QUOTE]

Wilt claimed the 7'1 1/16" figure himself. I read it in a book about him that it use to puzzle people that he claimed such a precise figure. Some thought he was taller than that, by the way.

And the earlier precise figures, like the one you posted for Bill Russell don't seem like they come from the draft camp(did they even have one back then?) Seems like the players themselves claim them. You sure Shaq didn't claim it? Because again whenever I see the draft camp results, seems like they just measure to the closest quarter inch so it'd be bizarre to me if they listed more precise.

I couldn't find anything in an archive search for '92 either.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Wilt claimed the 7'1 1/16" figure himself. I read it in a book about him that it use to puzzle people that he claimed such a precise figure. Some thought he was taller than that, by the way.

And the earlier precise figures, like the one you posted for Bill Russell don't seem like they come from the draft camp(did they even have one back then?) Seems like the players themselves claim them. You sure Shaq didn't claim it? Because again whenever I see the draft camp results, seems like they just measure to the closest quarter inch so it'd be bizarre to me if they listed more precise.

I couldn't find anything in an archive search for '92 either.[/QUOTE]
He may have said it himself but so did his doctor - who claims they came up with it through a special measuring device or w/e they built for Wilt in the late 50's. Again, I will find these figures and the source articles. They don't just come from "books" and they aren't lies out of Wilt's mouth etc. I know the routine, nobody likes to believe anything if Wilt said it. Therefore I never use info that started straight from Wilt's mouth.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]I really wish Jlauber was here for you to harass but I seriously think you killed him already. Your not supposed to make old people with high blood pressure frustrated beyond belief. Mid-essay a couple of months back now, I fear that he croaked upon seeing one of your routine anti-Wilt threads :([/QUOTE]
Jeff Lauber is alive. He made a post on a different forum about a week ago. I asked him what happened to his account but he hasn't replied. It is the big mystery on ISH as to what happened to his account. You can't even go to his profile page...

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]He may have said it himself but so did his doctor - who claims they came up with it through a special measuring device or w/e they built for Wilt in the late 50's. Again, I will find these figures and the source articles. They don't just come from "books" and they aren't lies out of Wilt's mouth etc. I know the routine, nobody likes to believe anything if Wilt said it. Therefore I never use info that started straight from Wilt's mouth.[/QUOTE]

I've read on numerous occasions that Wilt liked to claim that figure itself, but iirc, I read in a Wilt book that he was measured at that height on a device at Temple University in the 60's so I think I at least read one of the sources you did. Not a draft camp like where Shaq would get measured. I don't question the sources for Wilt, I've heard those numerous times, but like I said, I don't see anything like that for Shaq and have never seen the draft camp so precise.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]They definitely do go that precise when they use fractions of an inch - I'll try to dig up that Shaq article I got it from a newspaper clip from the time he was being drafted - he was measured twice within a matter of 2 weeks or something

First measurement 7-0 and 5/8ths @ 301lbs

Second measurement 7-0 and 7/8ths @ 303lbs

They simply rounded those figures up to 7-1 for print - and used his 303lb weigh in for his initial rookie listing / draft info.

5/8ths is 0.63
7/8ths is 0.88

hence he technically measured 7-0.88"

Jabbar is cited as 7-1 and 7/8ths in 1970's newspapers, the same way Wilt is cited 7-1 and 1/16th - etc. So when fractions of inches are given, that's how I get the precision up to the decimal point[/QUOTE]May I ask, once more, why you believe it would be necessary to list players so specifically? I admit maybe I misinterpreted what you're saying so I'm open to clarification. But it sounds like you're saying you believe Shaquille O'Neal should be officially referred to as being 7-0.88. Do you mean this is what it should say in programs, websites, tv shows, message boards, etc.? If so, why so precise?

I understand creating a relatively uniform measuring process (i.e. measuring everyone barefoot) for the sake of scouting and general information. But I still am unsure of the importance of requiring teams to list players down to eighths of an inch. I'm not sure what we'd do with that information. If someone tells me two players are both 6'4'', I say "Alright". And if someone tells me those same two players are actually 6'3'' and 6/8ths and 6'3'' and 7/8ths, respectively, I don't envision my response being any different. In fact, all I'd likely take from those listings is "6'3''", which wouldn't really hit me any differently than if they were called 6'4''.

I am in favor of there being officially scientific listings somewhere because, why not? It's always nice to have official readings somewhere. But I do not feel there's really anything important enough about heights (aside from message board arguments) that should require teams to only list the most specific height possible. To be completely honest, when going over a game program, it's a little easier to comprehend information when it's dealing with solid numbers (6'5'', 210 lbs) as opposed to the ultra precise (6'4'' and 7/8ths, 207 lbs), particularly when taking in numerous recordings at once and attempting to draw just the loosest of comparisons.

Also, I apologize in advance for presenting a somewhat dissenting view on two of your topics in one day. I do not mean anything malicious about it.

The metric system is so much better than feet an inches...

what is your real height, morning height, afternoon, or evening height? Cause we are 3/4 inch or 0.75 inch taller in the morning.

Some of these players grew taller since being measured by the league during the NBA Pre Draft Camp.

[img]http://www.topendsports.com/testing/images/stadiometer.jpg[/img]

Renaldo Balkman 6'5.75" to 6'6"

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Renaldo-Balkman-588/[/url]

Keith Benson 6'10" to 6'11"

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Keith-Benson-5712/[/url]

Herbert Hill 6'7.75" to 6'8.75"

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Herbert-Hill-584/[/url]

Justin Williams 6'7.25" to 6'8"

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Justin-Williams-346/[/url]

[url]http://pba.inquirer.net/10497/sundov-tallest-balkman-shortest-among-comms-cup-imports[/url]


[B]2013 PBA Commissioner's Cup.[/B] Former NBA players Bruno Sundov (7'2 3/4") Keith Benson (6'11") and Former Knicks Renaldo Balkman (6'6") were recently measured.

[quote]Rain or Shine’s Bruno Sundov was officially measured at 7 feet, 2

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]In America everything has to get bigger and better every year or you failed. I never did understand the logic of corporate-America; it has actually destroyed some great companies.

Heights haven't changed much at all in the 45 years I've been watching the NBA, except that forwards are taller and guards are slightly smaller.

People say "there's more 7 footers in the league today therefore so and so couldn't make it in today's league." Or whatever. Which is almost pure corporate-America logic. In the NBA, a player can either get it done, or he can't; height has little impact on the world class athletes. There's more teams so naturally, there are more players, of all sizes.

On average though it's the same it has always been, it's simply the players lying about their height to get a payday. And then they have to support the lies the rest of their careers.[/QUOTE]




This is a great post.

Barkley and Reggie talking in the holy name of the nba:

At 0:31

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This one is hillarious at 0:34

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86ihKshdhw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86ihKshdhw[/URL]

P.S. Seem that Charles lies too :P