Well then the hype should be turned down about 10 notches. You wanna talk about him with KG, you wanna say he's elite? You can't have it both ways. If he's all those things he should at least have a winning record in that division. Gimme a break.
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Well then the hype should be turned down about 10 notches. You wanna talk about him with KG, you wanna say he's elite? You can't have it both ways. If he's all those things he should at least have a winning record in that division. Gimme a break.
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]why is that ? what has garnett done other than collect pretty stats ? if bosh at any point makes the raptors a good team then he can surpass garnett, kg has acomplished nothing.[/QUOTE]
You don't watch ball at all do you.
[QUOTE=Mewwem22][B]first of all, that is a hella bad attempt at spelling Ak's name.[/B] second, andrei didn't get voted in last year. He has only been in the ASG one year (in 2004) and he definately deserved it that year.[/QUOTE]
I think thats exactly how I would have spellled it, which is why I never try :P. I just call im AK.
[QUOTE=knickscity]You don't watch ball at all do you.[/QUOTE]
the real question is: do YOU ? the guy has won 2 playoff series in his career, sorry for not breakin the confetti.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Wow, that's a lot of ingorance for 1 sentence. There's the part where he took his team to the playoffs, a pretty ****ty team, in a VERY tough Western Conference like 6 out of 7 years. ANd then there's the part where he went to the WCF and lost in 7 to the Lakers after Cassell went down.
THere's that part. Bosh can't even get in the playoffs, in the ****tiest division in the history of sports, in a historically bad Eastern Conference. Lets see Bosh take his team to the playoffs 7 times, including a 7 game WCF against a team featuring players as good as Shaq and Kobe.[/QUOTE]
lol, im the one ignorant ? learn your nba history pretty boy, the lakers beat the wolves in 6 games, not 7, and shaq outplayed garnett all series through and through.
Close enough, and he was without his PG, but that wasn't the point.
He's done a hell of a lot more than Bosh, and everyone seems to agree. But you're willing to break out the confetti for a guy who can't even get his team to finish .500 in one of the worst division and conferences in sports history.
[quote=DreamRockets]lol, im the one ignorant ?[/quote]
Nice
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Close enough, and he was without his PG, but that wasn't the point.
He's done a hell of a lot more than Bosh, and everyone seems to agree. But you're willing to break out the confetti for a guy who can't even get his team to finish .500 in one of the worst division and conferences in sports history.[/QUOTE]
im not the one hyping bosh here, so dont put me in the same group as toronto groupies, but garnett has done nothing to be jealous of, so i think bosh could one day be as good as garnett, some people forget how average garnett was in his first years.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Well then the hype should be turned down about 10 notches. You wanna talk about him with KG, you wanna say he's elite? You can't have it both ways. If he's all those things he should at least have a winning record in that division. Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]
bro..go back and read what i wrote. I never said Bosh is as good as KG now, I said there is no reason to think he can't be as good as KG in the future. Not once did i say he was elite. In fact i even posted what i thought his weaknesses were and what he had to improve on.
Maybe you've had too many arguements with other guys about this, but let's argue on the same point.
[quote=DreamRockets]im not the one hyping bosh here, so dont put me in the same group as toronto groupies, but garnett has done nothing to be jealous of, so i think bosh could one day be as good as garnett, some people forget how average garnett was in his first years.[/quote]
You just need to quit man. Just go away. THis was about KG and Bosh, and KG has done plenty for Bosh, and most NBA players, to be jealous of.
And yes, Molson, you didn't say he was as good now, but you're pretty confident, and in fact said could easily see him being as good. SO go back and read what I'm talking about before you entered the conversation. Bosh is overrated, he hasn't done crap but put up solid numbers on a crap team, in the worst division ever in sports, in a horrible conference, and if you put a true elite player, such as KG, on that team they're in the playoffs and possibly taking the East.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]You just need to quit man. Just go away. THis was about KG and Bosh, and KG has done plenty for Bosh, and most NBA players, to be jealous of.
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name garnett acomplishments then ? i thought so biatch, losing in the 1st round is nothing to be jealous of, you are probably one of those idiots who just watch sportscenter and believe garnett is better than duncan.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]
And yes, Molson, you didn't say he was as good now, but you're pretty confident, and in fact said could easily see him being as good. SO go back and read what I'm talking about before you entered the conversation. Bosh is overrated, he hasn't done crap but put up solid numbers on a crap team, in the worst division ever in sports, in a horrible conference, and if you put a true elite player, such as KG, on that team they're in the playoffs and possibly taking the East.[/QUOTE]
when i judge a player, esp one that hasn;t had time to accomplish anything in his career yet, i make my judgements by what i see on teh court. Most teams that play Toronto end up saying Bosh is a huge problem for them because they can't guard him. I was not a Bosh fan when he first entered the league. I though the same as you that he was only putting up big numbers cuz the rest of the team bit a dog. But after watching him get better and better, seeing what he can actually do on the court when he plays, and hearing in interviews what every other coach is saying about him it's hard not to say he is gonna be as good if not better than KG eventually.
So i guess over or under rated comes down to what people are syaing about him. right now, coaches throughout the NBA say they have a big problem guarding him. who i am to say otherwise?
[QUOTE=Molson]bro..go back and read what i wrote. I never said Bosh is as good as KG now, I said there is no reason to think he can't be as good as KG in the future. Not once did i say he was elite. In fact i even posted what i thought his weaknesses were and what he had to improve on.
Maybe you've had too many arguements with other guys about this, but let's argue on the same point.[/QUOTE]
Bosh is not as good as KG right now. Let's see K.G. has made missed the playoffs twice in 11 seasons......as a roookie and last year. Guess what... both have involoved coaching changes. K.G. is regarded as an elite player because of what he has accomplished individually. 20 points 10 boards 4 assist 1 block a game and he is pretty durable. Bosh is overrated only by Raptor fans. Make the playoffs first. With a winning record. The EC is Garbage. Look who K.G. had to face every game he has played. If K.G. had spent 11 years in the east his stats would have been out the roof.
Underrated
Carter
Billups
Artest
Overrated
Nash
Arenas
Odom
[QUOTE=poorlilrich]Underrated
Carter
Billups
Artest
Overrated
Nash
Arenas
Odom[/QUOTE]
arenas isnt overrated, odom isnt even close to being overrated
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]im not the one hyping bosh here, so dont put me in the same group as toronto groupies, but garnett has done nothing to be jealous of, so i think bosh could one day be as good as garnett, some people forget how average garnett was in his first years.[/QUOTE]
Garnett > T McBroke-back
im i suposed to be offended ? i know kg is better than mcgrady , who cares ? he still isnt better than some other players in the league, and garnett groupies cant accept it.
[QUOTE=StroShow4]arenas isnt overrated, odom isnt even close to being overrated[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks odom is a top 5 forward in the league is overrating him.
His jumper is average to below average and he is a below average freethrow
shooter. People overrate his defense and his ball handling skills. He is a good
passer but an average ball handler. His best attribute is his post up game.
Caron Butler is as good as odom.
[QUOTE=poorlilrich]Anyone who thinks odom is a top 5 forward in the league is overrating him.
His jumper is average to below average and he is a below average freethrow
shooter. People overrate his defense and his ball handling skills. He is a good
passer but an average ball handler. His best attribute is his post up game.
Caron Butler is as good as odom.[/QUOTE]
his jumper is better than average with 3 point range, his handles are amazing especially for a guy that is 6'11, and his post up game is great. he seems to be able to score whenever he wants to. he is so talented/tall/athletic that he can play all 5 positions.
[QUOTE=StroShow4]his jumper is better than average with 3 point range, his handles are amazing especially for a guy that is 6'11, and his post up game is great. he seems to be able to score whenever he wants to. he is so talented/tall/athletic that he can play all 5 positions.[/QUOTE]
He always seem to drive into traffic and lose the ball; he has amazing handles
for a guy who is 6'11, but he plays against sf not pf. He can score when ever
he wants to on the post, you cant give him the ball up top and ask him to score. He'll either brick a jumpshot or turn the ball over.
[QUOTE=poorlilrich]He always seem to drive into traffic and lose the ball; he has amazing handles
for a guy who is 6'11, but he plays against sf not pf. He can score when ever
he wants to on the post, [B]you cant give him the ball up top and ask him to score. He'll either brick a jumpshot or turn the ball over[/B].[/QUOTE]
not true... the lakers have a play where odom dribbles the ball up the court and takes his man 1 on 1... it is pretty successful.
[QUOTE=StroShow4]not true... the lakers have a play where odom dribbles the ball up the court and takes his man 1 on 1... it is pretty successful.[/QUOTE]
when they have a mismatch, of course odom can take him off the dribble; but you cant ask odom to take a sf off the dribble.
[QUOTE=knickscity]Bosh is not as good as KG right now. Let's see K.G. has made missed the playoffs twice in 11 seasons......as a roookie and last year. Guess what... both have involoved coaching changes. K.G. is regarded as an elite player because of what he has accomplished individually. 20 points 10 boards 4 assist 1 block a game and he is pretty durable. Bosh is overrated only by Raptor fans. Make the playoffs first. With a winning record. The EC is Garbage. Look who K.G. had to face every game he has played. If K.G. had spent 11 years in the east his stats would have been out the roof.[/QUOTE]
So you agree with me then that Bosh is not as good as KG now. Good. Now the question is can Bosh be as good as KG.
[QUOTE=Molson]So you agree with me then that Bosh is not as good as KG now. Good. Now the question is can Bosh be as good as KG.[/QUOTE]
If he improves on his defense then it's possible he could be. But he is in the EC. No excuse not to make the playoffs WITH a winning record. Unless you are ready to give credit to K.G. having Marbury and Wally on his team.
Would the Knicks with the roster they have now, do you think they would have a winning record with Bosh instead of let's say Curry?
[QUOTE=nugsfreak]being a nuggets fan I seriously think Melo is an underrated player in the league as he plays for the nuggets a small market team. And he has yet to be voted in by the fans for an AllStar game.
most overrated player has to go to Steve Nash. The fact that he is being considered MVP for the THIRD strait season says it all. their are far more deserving players out there. such as i hate to say but Dirk.
what do you guys think.[/QUOTE]
dont let the fact that melo has never been voted in by fans be a reason to call him underrated. fans vote for the most popular - not the best player. AS voting is a joke.
carmel is not undderated .he is overrate dimo. and people say he is the best scorer? I don't htink he is. i think its kobe and maybe gilbert. kobe can score like anyone or better and that is obvious. kobe is bigger and has better shots too.
undderrated? noone is. maybe dwight howard and josh howard.
and ai is also overrated. ihate people tha thave bad fg % and still scores 30ppg. that gets me mad.
[QUOTE=NugzFan]dont let the fact that melo has never been voted in by fans be a reason to call him underrated. fans vote for the most popular - not the best player. AS voting is a joke.[/QUOTE]
I hear ya
:cheers:
[QUOTE=artest 93]carmel is not undderated .he is overrate dimo. and people say he is the best scorer? I don't htink he is. i think its kobe and maybe gilbert. kobe can score like anyone or better and that is obvious. kobe is bigger and has better shots too.
undderrated? noone is. maybe dwight howard and josh howard.
and ai is also overrated. ihate people tha thave bad fg % and still scores 30ppg. that gets me mad.[/QUOTE]
tell me how melo is overrated?
:lol