Parents Track Down Daughter's Pimp and Kill Him

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Depends on the circumstance. In this case yes. Murdering one criminal has a good impact on the world with very little consequence. Allowing that pimp to live.. and run a ring of 15+ prostitutes which spread disease, unwanted children (accidental pregnancy) among other things such as the pimps beating and essentially enslaving multiple women in many situations?

I'd say 1 death to save the lives of many is a choice you should make 10 times out of 10.[/QUOTE]
But 90% of those girls will be reassigned. It wont change anything. That girl now has NO parental support and is likely traumatized by this.. what the fuvck do you think shes going to do now? Go to med school?.:roll:

If this guy were to be tried in court and convicted of this crime he wouldn't get the death penalty. If you were to take a poll from everyone in the United States on what his punishment should be, less than 1% would opt for execution.

what is there to argue about? parents were wrong for killing the pimp. pretty simp. if you cant understand why then your pretty simp.

That pimp sounds like a scumbag. When your a scumbag expect crazy shit to happen. Not a tear will shed from my eye to say the least..

[QUOTE=tpols]But 90% of those girls will be reassigned. It wont change anything. That girl now has NO parental support and is likely traumatized by this.. what the fuvck do you think shes going to do now? Go to med school?.:roll:

If this guy were to be tried in court and convicted of this crime he wouldn't get the death penalty. If you were to take a poll from everyone in the United States on what his punishment should be, less than 1% would opt for execution.[/QUOTE]

I understand your point but as I said earlier... if you have that mentality there may not be law enforcement at all :confusedshrug: . Arrest one pimp, another rises... okay? I get that. Doesn't mean that you can't make a difference by removing criminals. I don't frankly care if it's by death or prison. In California our prisons are already overflowing passed capacity and tax payers pay for these POS ****ers to eat 3 meals a day, sleep comfortably and do activities?

**** that. They deserve to kiss the dirt.

[QUOTE=SCY]You're missing the point. Your FBI statistics and personal experiences should not be deciding who has the right to live or die, any more than my baseless assumptions should. We take away a person's freedom after proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not when you or a vigilante deduces that it's OK to do so. We have a legal system in this country. If you're not happy with the way it's working, do what you can in your power to fix it; and don't complain that it's not easy as picking up a gun.

Just realized my avy+user title is extremely ironic for this post.[/QUOTE]

My post above applies to this. I'm unhappy with the fact that our taxes go to feeding, clothing, bathing, and essentially giving these POS prisoners a comfortable life. I know friends that were actually INTENTIONALLY returning to prison. That goes to show you that this guy as well as similar scumbags, deserve MUCH worse.

Pimps are scumbags. Honestly, we are better off without them. Is it wrong? Sure.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I understand your point but as I said earlier... if you have that mentality there may not be law enforcement at all :confusedshrug: . Arrest one pimp, another rises... okay? I get that. Doesn't mean that you can't make a difference by removing criminals. I don't frankly care if it's by death or prison. In California our prisons are already overflowing passed capacity and tax payers pay for these POS ****ers to eat 3 meals a day, sleep comfortably and do activities?

**** that. They deserve to kiss the dirt.[/QUOTE]

You think your CJ degree would have covered that all crimes aren't equal. There will always be a demand for drugs, hookers, etc., thus there will always be a line of drug dealers, hookers and pimps to supply them. This is obviously not true of all crimes. Not like every time you arrest a drunk driver off a particular street, there will be a new drunk driver on that street to supply the demand for drunk drivers.

Anyway, I don't why I'm bothering since your stances are completely radical, and if you were to act on them you would be acting much further outside the law than this pimp was.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]My post above applies to this. I'm unhappy with the fact that our taxes go to feeding, clothing, bathing, and essentially giving these POS prisoners a comfortable life. I know friends that were actually INTENTIONALLY returning to prison. That goes to show you that this guy as well as similar scumbags, deserve MUCH worse.[/QUOTE]

So your problem is really the punishment stage, not the trial stage. The thing is, just because you don't care for the punishment doesn't give you the right to take away a person's right to be judged by a jury of their peers. You should try reading that Constitution thing sometime, and perhaps work to push your lawmakers to adopt tougher penalties for crimes.

[QUOTE=SCY]You think your CJ degree would have covered that all crimes aren't equal. There will always be a demand for drugs, hookers, etc., thus there will always be a line of drug dealers, hookers and pimps to supply them. This is obviously not true of all crimes. Not like every time you arrest a drunk driver off a particular street, there will be a new drunk driver on that street to supply the demand for drunk drivers.

Anyway, I don't why I'm bothering since your stances are completely radical, and if you were to act on them you would be acting much further outside the law than this pimp was.[/QUOTE]

I didn't finish man. I just took a year of CJ and realized I didn't want to do Law Enforcement even though I trained for it and everything. I get what you're saying that drug/prostitution related crimes are never ending. Taking one pimp off the street MAY not have a big impact. There is a chance though right? A chance that maybe at least one or two women will get a second chance at a life because of this? If that's the case then why isn't it worth it?

Maybe I'm being too heavy handed in my opinions or having too much of a Utopian viewpoint of life... but I think in order to make a difference we first have to have an often times overly optimistic attitude and believe.

[QUOTE=SCREWstonRockets]Pimps are scumbags. Honestly, we are better off without them. Is it wrong? Sure.[/QUOTE]

This.

Killing pimps wont do much of anything. Its too widespread a market with too many women down to fill the need.

Way the world tends to find a way to make the worst of things you probably kill a pimp with 2 kids who end up in the system without him to support them and they end up criminals doing as much to hurt the world as the pimp would by converting 2 extra women.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Killing pimps wont do much of anything. Its too widespread a market with too many women down to fill the need.

Way the world tends to find a way to make the worst of things you probably kill a pimp with 2 kids who end up in the system without him to support them and they end up criminals doing as much to hurt the world as the pimp would by converting 2 extra women.[/QUOTE]

As true as this may be we can never concede to this idea or we already lost. For me it all ties back into what I said about crime vs law enforcement. It may seem like we are making no progress or like you can't make a difference but once you acknowledge that, the battle is lost.

I think what happens is you hold your ground and push back as long as you can until a breakthrough is made. Look at mob history for example. The mobs in America looked all powerful and ran so much. They ran Vegas. They ran Chicago. They ran a lot and it looked like everything law enforcement did was a waste of time and energy. Then the government passed the RICO act which allowed prosecution of entire mob families and illegal businesses rather than having to try each of them.

The mafia was eventually neutered in America pretty much. Still exists but doesn't have much power here, at least in comparison to before. Not trying to give history lesson but pointing out that even if the stopping of drugs and pimping seems hopeless.. a certain law or tactic will eventually come that will break it's back.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]As true as this may be we can never concede to this idea or we already lost. For me it all ties back into what I said about crime vs law enforcement. It may seem like we are making no progress or like you can't make a difference but once you acknowledge that, the battle is lost.

I think what happens is you hold your ground and push back as long as you can until a breakthrough is made. Look at mob history for example. The mobs in America looked all powerful and ran so much. They ran Vegas. They ran Chicago. They ran a lot and it looked like everything law enforcement did was a waste of time and energy. Then the government passed the RICO act which allowed prosecution of entire mob families and illegal businesses rather than having to try each of them.

The mafia was eventually neutered in America pretty much. Still exists but doesn't have much power here, at least in comparison to before. Not trying to give history lesson but pointing out that even if the stopping of drugs and pimping seems hopeless.. a certain law or tactic will eventually come that will break it's back.[/QUOTE]
Pimpings been around since the dawn of time.. nothing is ever going to stop prostitution.

We already lost.

When the opponent is human lust and human greed....society loses.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]We already lost.

When the opponent is human lust and human greed....society loses.[/QUOTE]

I have hope. I think in general people truly want to do good. Crushing the bad seeds (like this pimp) will eventually make serious ground and the world will rise up. Look no further than disaster like 9/11. Watch people helping strangers with blood, sweat and tears and no self interest in mind. That should give you hope that we ARE indeed capable of great things. The key is getting people to do it collectively for long periods of time.

[QUOTE=tpols]Pimpings been around since the dawn of time.. nothing is ever going to stop prostitution.[/QUOTE]

It's not going to be completely eradicated. Just like the RICO act and American law enforcement didn't completely get rid of the mob or gangs. They just severely crippled it to where organized crime has never and will probably never recover here in America.

Prostitution is going to continue but maybe pimps can be eliminated and it can lessen big time in degree or numbers.

Problem is...you dont get to decide what other people think is good.

Even cops barely care about prostitution. Its not even illegal in much of the world. Im reasonably sure weed is more commonly illegal than prostitution.

Sex for money will never ever ever go away so long as people like sex and people who can provide it need money.

When society has enough riches so nobody is poor and everyone is roughly equal money wise...maybe then you can start to fight it. But even then the few super rich will buy women who want to be rich.

So long as the concept of money exists there will be pimps because people want sex and women will sell themselves.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Problem is...you dont get to decide what other people think is good.

Even cops barely care about prostitution. Its not even illegal in much of the world. Im reasonably sure weed is more commonly illegal than prostitution.

Sex for money will never ever ever go away so long as people like sex and people who can provide it need money.

When society has enough riches so nobody is poor and everyone is roughly equal money wise...maybe then you can start to fight it. But even then the few super rich will buy women who want to be rich.

So long as the concept of money exists there will be pimps because people want sex and women will sell themselves.[/QUOTE]

Then go for what women's rights groups are going for. Legalized prostitution with no pimps :hammerhead: . I'm not saying I expect prostitution will or can go away. I'm saying at least remove the pimps which takes out the abuse aspect, most of the drugs AND most importantly forced prostitution. If women want to volunteer that's their choice.

Remember I wasn't really bitching about prostitution for the most part... but mostly pimps.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]It's not going to be completely eradicated. Just like the RICO act and American law enforcement didn't completely get rid of the mob or gangs. They just severely crippled it to where organized crime has never and will probably never recover here in America.

Prostitution is going to continue but maybe pimps can be eliminated and it can lessen big time in degree or numbers.[/QUOTE]
Unless pimping started to interfere with the government's business on a large scale, it wont ever be eradicated.. or even targeted. Mobs were gaining power over politics.. so politics shut them down. Drug kingpins were making too much money which hugely cuts down government revenues/taxes.. so they were shut down. Pimping is a low scale, region by region, small business operation that will never reach the money levels or power levels that the mobs and druglords reached.. so it will never be worried about like them.

And there's no prostitution w/o pimps.. who deals with the guys who try to rip the women off or take advantage of them?

There are still pimps where its legal.

Women are still forced into it where its legal.

And women who let men control them are universal especially weak willed ones who feel they need to be taken care of. Men have been beating girlfriends since the dawn of time.

You dont think a pimp could employ and beat his girls were it legal for them to sell themselves?

Situations like in Nevada would pop up nationwide and a new breed of pimp would emerge serving the same basic purpose and taking in all kinds of girls who want fast money.

Ad where there are people with money buying women there will be parties and drug use. With that comes drug addiction. What is the owner of a legal brothel with a gang of drug using hookers working for him?

And if its legal they will be easier to replace. I wouldnt be shocked if it made the violent pimps even more violent. Can go on craigslist and replace a ho in 5 minutes anyway.

The world doesnt care enough to fight this.

[QUOTE=tpols]Unless pimping started to interfere with the government's business on a large scale, it wont ever be eradicated.. or even targeted. Mobs were gaining power over politics.. so politics shut them down. Drug kingpins were making too much money which hugely cuts down government revenues/taxes.. so they were shut down. Pimping is a low scale, region by region, small business operation that will never reach the money levels or power levels that the mobs and druglords reached.. so it will never be worried about like them.

And there's no prostitution w/o pimps.. who deals with the guys who try to rip the women off or take advantage of them?[/QUOTE]

I agree there are drawbacks to no pimps and also agree that government is unlikely to ever intervene because pimping/prostitution isn't affecting their money. Which is pretty ****ed up in itself. Basically the government doesn't care that much unless it's affecting them. This is one of the reasons why I got out of pursuing law enforcement. The whole protect and serve moto is complete bullshit. Law enforcement was created to enforce laws that benefit the government, not to help the people.

Let's hope eventually pimps impede on what the government wants... so that they will be targeted.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]
Maybe I'm being too heavy handed in my opinions or having too much of a Utopian viewpoint of life... but I think in order to make a difference we first have to have an often times overly optimistic attitude and believe.[/QUOTE]

So it's your overt optimism shining through in your desire to kill everyone who might have committed a crime?

[QUOTE=SCY]So it's your overt optimism shining through in your desire to kill everyone who might have committed a crime?[/QUOTE]

No it's my optimism telling me that removing these bad people will automatically make the world a better place. BTW don't twist my words.... I never mentioned killing criminals in general. As another poster said... rapists and pimps are pretty much the low of low scum of the earth.

[QUOTE]Let's hope eventually pimps impede on what the government wants... so that they will be targeted.[/QUOTE]


The government is old rich white men with old wives.

They are the ones buying the hookers/pimps who know how to keep quiet.

You know how much damage a DC escort service takedown could probably do if you get all the local hookers on the record?

Old rich men do not want to get on the bad side of pimps and whores.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The government is old rich white men with old wives.

They are the ones buying the hookers/pimps who know how to keep quiet.

You know how much damage a DC escort service takedown could probably do if you get all the local hookers on the record?[/QUOTE]

Sad but true. It's the most powerful people that are the biggest problem and the most corrupt often times.

[QUOTE=jaydacris]kblaze makes me believe i can be a pimp :pimp:[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]

Let's hope eventually pimps impede on what the government wants... so that they will be targeted.[/QUOTE]
Gonna have to be some pretty big pimping organizations.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=tpols]Gonna have to be some pretty big pimping organizations.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]


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we have a lot of 'child exploiter sympathizers on here' .. interesting

I dont think id call all killings murder.

[QUOTE=magnax1]The comments on that article are all pretty retarded, or at the very minimum absurdly hypocritical. I don't exactly understand what the logic is behind pimping being worse then murder.[/QUOTE]

Like everything else there is different degrees. In some cases murder is worse than pimping and in other cases like this.. I personally feel they are on the same level.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I dont think id call all killings murder.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I'd call all murders killings.

[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]girls fathers name is laprell? yeah, he didn't kill dude as a father. that nigguh was a pimp who got mad his own daughter left his track for a better pimp.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

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If I remember correctly you are strongly anti death penalty anyway so of course the idea of justified killing or degrees being an issue wouldnt make sense.

For most people...not all intentional life ending actions are created equally.

need pics of the girl first before deciding on whats right

So Its just me that is swayed by the fact that the girl was 17, and started her gig when she was 16 presumably?? Does that not factor to any of your opinions?

If the daughter was 23 the whole situation would of never happened in the first place. He got what he deserved for being scum. I have no sympathy for these ****ers who mess with kids, whether it be prostitution, slavery, or hard drugs. And anyone who has ever or would ever rape a woman should have their life privileges revoked.

[QUOTE=YAWN]So Its just me that is swayed by the fact that the girl was 17, and started her gig when she was 16 presumably?? Does that not factor to any of your opinions?

If the daughter was 23 the whole situation would of never happened in the first place. He got what he deserved for being scum. I have no sympathy for these ****ers who mess with kids, whether it be prostitution, slavery, or hard drugs. And anyone who has ever or would ever rape a woman should have their life privileges revoked.[/QUOTE]

Yup. This is how I feel. If she was not a minor then w/e.... not going to make a scene, although I don't like it.