That's ****ing pathetic
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That's ****ing pathetic
Not a fan of offering Hibbert a max contract - like him as a player and I realize that the only way we're going to get him away from the Pacers is to pay him max money, I really don't think that it's a good idea.
Wow, if this is true and Indiana matches it, they're going to get raped for money. he's a good center at all, but no where near a max deal. his numbers were barely better than Anderson f*cking Varejao before Wild Thing got injured.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Wow... So as expected, GMs learnt nothing from the lockout and are still handing out idiotic contracts:facepalm
I don't really get why everyone's surprised. Yeah, it's a disgusting amount of money and your team would ideally spend it more evenly across the team, but that's the going rate for an all-star centre. I'm fine with it.
In a world where Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan got the deals they got last year...this is a relative bargain.
Can a team w hibbert as its best player win a championship?
This is crazy... I agree centers are rare but you need think about the salary cap. Indiana is not going to pay the new luxury tax and you have one guy taking up 1/4th of the cap? They should let him walk
Bird new this was coming....Smart man
Portland is douchey.
They did this shit with Wes Matthews.
It puts Indy and Hibbert in an odd position.
If Hibbert wasn't a cool guy I'd say let him go and let Portland continue to fade into obscurity.
-Smak
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Sam Amick: Indiana did not offer a max deal, and Hibbert is now leaning to Blazers unless Pacers match. One other unnamed team offered max. Twitter[/QUOTE]
Latest is Indy will up their offer.
Makes me extremely scared for what teams will offer McGee. Really hope Asik, Hibbert drain some teams pockets so he doesn't end up getting a retarded offer.
Offers like this put teams in such a bad spot. The NBA market is such trash. If INDY doesn't match they don't get better. Their trying to build something. How can you not match? Sure you'd save money but you'd be walking away from the goal of winning games. Not matching Hibbert isn't really going to do much longterm. Give you extra cash for FA you probably won't sign.
Your either forced with overpaying somebody to get better or letting them walk and regressing or not improving.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86] he hasn't really improved as a pro very much.[/QUOTE]
Really? You're going to stand by that statement?
I mean, that's just what is going to happen with centers man. They are in high demand to be at the level Roy Hibbert is. He may not even be a top 30 player in the NBA but he is probably a top 3 center and teams need centers, badly.
For all you posters saying the market dictates that centers get over payed do you no realize that these idiot GM's are the market? If they would make offers with a bit of sense and more performance based incentives there wouldn't be a lockout in the first place. As a GM you should consider if at any time during his contract your player will be making more than Lebron James then it's a bad contract. That being said I don't know what the max means if we're talking 17 million then :biggums: but if it's in the 12-13 million dollar range then that's completely reasonable.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]For all you posters saying the market dictates that centers get over payed do you no realize that these idiot GM's are the market? If they would make offers with a bit of sense and more performance based incentives there wouldn't be a lockout in the first place. As a GM you should consider if at any time during his contract your player will be making more than Lebron James then it's a bad contract. That being said I don't know what the max means if we're talking 17 million then :biggums: but if it's in the 12-13 million dollar range then that's completely reasonable.[/QUOTE]
No kidding. I like how the owners bitch about parity and then you see them pay role players like they're superstars. In theory it's nice to blame the system, but reality says it's the fault of the owners.
Wow. I thought Nene and Chandler were overpayed.
[QUOTE]Ken Berger @KBergCBS
RFA Roy Hibbert's four-year, max offer sheet from Portland is worth $58.4M. Pacers center leaning that way. Indy has three days to match.[/QUOTE]
:eek:
Hibbert's knees hurt just thinking about that offer.
Ooooh, only 3 days to match? It used to be 7 didn't it? Part of the new CBA?
I like it.
Indiana will match, but I don't wanna hear any crap about how big market teams screw small market teams considering Portland come up with the outlandish offer here.
While it is a horrible offer for both Portland and Indy, it is one thing that he is 25 years old and not 29 like Joe Johnson was offered.
I can already tell I don't like Portland's GM
Lebowski (or anyone else really),
Can you estimate what our cap space would be if we match as well as if we don't match?
Shelden Williams and Ronny Turiaf 'bout to get 4 year/$40 million deals somewhere.
[QUOTE=Trentknicks]:facepalm
Can only imagine what McGee, Asik, etc will get[/QUOTE]
McGee should get less since he's not as good as hibbert
[QUOTE]Ken Berger @KBergCBS
RFA Roy Hibbert's four-year, max offer sheet from Portland is worth $58.4M. Pacers center leaning that way. Indy has three days to match.[/QUOTE]
Are people really laughing at this offer? The league have absolutely no decent centers, a 36 year old PF is still one of the best bigs in the game.
Context is everything, $14.6 mil per year for Hibbert sounds about right. Indiana should offer him a 5 year contract at a lower yearly average, that extra year will make Hibbert sign.
I think it's also to mess with Indiana's cap space. That's great if you can get Hibbert but realistically, Indy will want to match.
Since the Blazers have no shot at any major free agent, they must deny other teams as much cap space as possible.
We did this to Utah w/ Wes Mathews.
This guy is 7 feet of baby-soft molasses. A legit max center would have [I]feasted[/I] on Miami's front line.
No thanks.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]Ooooh, only 3 days to match? It used to be 7 didn't it? Part of the new CBA?
I like it.[/QUOTE]
Not yet. We have to wait until July 11th before the 3 days start.
[QUOTE=Joshumitsu]I think it's also to mess with Indiana's cap space. That's great if you can get Hibbert but realistically, Indy will want to match.
Since the Blazers have no shot at any major free agent, they must deny other teams as much cap space as possible.
We did this to Utah w/ Wes Mathews.[/QUOTE]
god i hope portland think hibbert is worth it because if they dont, and they did this just to mess with indy and they are stuck paying hibbert a ton in 4 years, they will regret it.
for everybody ripping on roy its kinda hard to score when your teammates cant even throw a decent post pass when he got the ball he was pretty effective.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Makes me extremely scared for what teams will offer McGee. Really hope Asik, Hibbert drain some teams pockets so he doesn't end up getting a retarded offer.
Offers like this put teams in such a bad spot. The NBA market is such trash. If INDY doesn't match they don't get better. Their trying to build something. How can you not match? Sure you'd save money but you'd be walking away from the goal of winning games. Not matching Hibbert isn't really going to do much longterm. Give you extra cash for FA you probably won't sign.
Your either forced with overpaying somebody to get better or letting them walk and regressing or not improving.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Jazz let Boozer go to Chicago and got a cheaper and better option in Jefferson with the TPE from the sign and trade. Indiana has options.
[QUOTE=Dro]for everybody ripping on roy its kinda hard to score when your teammates cant even throw a decent post pass when he got the ball he was pretty effective.[/QUOTE]
The sad part is that they can certainly throw a good post pass. Their offense just makes absolutely no sense. It has no flow or consistency. They have weapons, they don't seem to have any idea of how to use them right.
this is a proof that current NBA lacks center depth. i wouldn't call it a centerless era anymore, but still guys like hibbert is an interchangeable piece, not a cornerstone of the franchise.
Pacers have to match. They can't afford to loose Hibbert. They have a good thing going.
To Hibbert's defense in that Miami series, I do recall him beasting in the games they won. They stopped getting him the ball, and started jacking up shots.
Would assume Indiana will match, but he sure would be nice alongside LMA. It must be good to be 7 feet tall!
Mike Wells: The Pacers are already looking at other options at center. They've reached to out Omer Asik, who was with Chicago last season Twitter
Avoid Portland, Roy. Careers go there to end.
I don't think that is too much for Hibbert. I really hope Indy doesn't match. $15M a year for arguably the 3rd best center in the league is fair value. Also, Portland won't have a chance to sign a better FA in the next couple of years, so this is really our only means of improving the team without getting an aging, declining veteran.
Why not see who gave the Heat the most trouble in the playoffs.
Pacers, with two legit low post players.
Celtics, with the best low post player they faced (Garnett).
You need bigs to beat the Heat.
:lol
poor Pacers.
[QUOTE=Derka]Avoid Portland, Roy. Careers go there to end.[/QUOTE]
+1. it all goes downhill from here. :(