[QUOTE=HoopsFanNumero1]All those guys in the front page are a disgrace to basketball. How can you not appreciate a great performance?[/QUOTE]
Just ignore them. Most of them are trolls, and Kobetards.
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[QUOTE=HoopsFanNumero1]All those guys in the front page are a disgrace to basketball. How can you not appreciate a great performance?[/QUOTE]
Just ignore them. Most of them are trolls, and Kobetards.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]your right Kobe's came in a close out game against the 01 Kings>>>12 Celtics and he had 48 & 16 not 45 & 15
Kobe waited for the very next playoff game before he dipped down to a 45 point double double[/QUOTE]
Kobe in the Finals in '01 - 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/[U]1.4[/U] w/ [U]3.6[/U] TOV on 50% TS
Lebron in the Finals in '12 - [U]28.6[/U]/[U]10.2[/U]/[U]7.4[/U]/1.4/0.4 w/ 3.8 TOV on [U]55.8%[/U] TS
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]your right Kobe's came in a close out game against the 01 Kings>>>12 Celtics and he had 48 & 16 not 45 & 15
Kobe waited for the very next playoff game before he dipped down to a 45 point double double[/QUOTE]
except Kobe didn't have the same pressure going in and had Shaq.
LeBron went into this game with his legacy on the line, with an injured Bosh and Wade.
[QUOTE=aj1987]Kobe in the Finals in '01 - 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/[U]1.4[/U] w/ [U]3.6[/U] TOV on 50% TS
Lebron in the Finals in '12 - [U]28.6[/U]/[U]10.2[/U]/[U]7.4[/U]/1.4/0.4 w/ 3.8 TOV on [U]55.8%[/U] TS[/QUOTE]
Kobe 2001 playoff run: 29.4/7/6 on 47%
Lebron 2013 playoff run: 25.9/8/7 on 49%
Kobe 2002 finals: 27/6/5 on 51%
Lebron 2013 finals: 25/11/7 on 45%
nice to see prime Lebron on 21 & 22 YO Kobe's level :applause:
[QUOTE=Solefade]except Kobe didn't have the same pressure going in and had Shaq.
[B]LeBron went into this game with his legacy on the line,[/B] with an injured Bosh and Wade.[/QUOTE]
due to previous failures and mostly due to the 2011 finals the year before
also the inability to not close out a over the hill Celtics in less than 7 games after the HEAT were the undisputed favorites..
the only reason there was so much "pressure" was because there was so much surprise that the HEAT had put themselves in jeopardy of being eliminated in 5 games against an aging Celtics
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Kobe 2001 playoff run: 29.4/7/6 on 47%
Lebron 2013 playoff run: 25.9/8/7 on 49%
Kobe 2002 finals: 27/6/5 on 51%
Lebron 2013 finals: 25/11/7 on 45%
nice to see prime Lebron on 21 & 22 YO Kobe's level :applause:[/QUOTE]
2002: Kobe got gifted a pass to the finals by the refs then played the crappy Nets
2013 Bulls and Pacers were the top defenses in the league :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]due to previous failures and mostly due to the 2011 finals the year before
also the inability to not close out a over the hill Celtics in less than 7 games after the HEAT were the undisputed favorites..
the only reason there was so much "pressure" was because there was so much surprise that the HEAT had put themselves in jeopardy of being eliminated in 5 games against an aging Celtics[/QUOTE]
So? He ended up winning this game on his own in 3 quarters basically. Kobe never got the same pressure because he got carried to his first 3 rings by Shaq.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Kobe 2001 playoff run: 29.4/7/6 on 47%
Lebron 2013 playoff run: 25.9/8/7 on 49%
Kobe 2002 finals: 27/6/5 on 51%
Lebron 2013 finals: 25/11/7 on 45%
nice to see prime Lebron on 21 & 22 YO Kobe's level :applause:[/QUOTE]
Must be nice having a top 5 GOAT drawing all the attention, right?
Lebron's playoff runs at 21 & 22:
Lebron '06 playoff run: 31/8/6 on 56%
Lebron '07 playoff run: 25/8/8 on 52%
Lebron playoff career avg: 28/9/7/2/1 on 47%
Kobe playoff career avg: 26/5/5/2/1 on 45%
[QUOTE=Sakkreth]Well yeah, but LeBron's game was slightly more important also away.[/QUOTE]
More important & had a much more versatile scoring night aswell, he used his entire reportoire from every spot offensively, no basket was the same.
[QUOTE=aj1987]Must be nice having a top 5 GOAT drawing all the attention, right?
Lebron's playoff runs at 21 & 22:
Lebron '06 playoff run: 31/8/6 on 56%
Lebron '07 playoff run: 25/8/8 on 52%
Lebron playoff career avg: 28/9/7/2/1 on 47%
Kobe playoff career avg: 26/5/5/2/1 on 45%[/QUOTE]
Aj1987 just ended this thread.
[QUOTE=aj1987]Must be nice having a top 5 GOAT drawing all the attention, right?
Lebron's playoff runs at 21 & 22:
Lebron '06 playoff run: 31/8/6 on 56%
Lebron '07 playoff run: 25/8/8 on 52%
Lebron playoff career avg: 28/9/7/2/1 on 47%
Kobe playoff career avg: 26/5/5/2/1 on 45%[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/p8oPz6W.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Solefade]2002: Kobe got gifted a pass to the finals by the refs then played the crappy Nets
2013 Bulls and Pacers were the top defenses in the league :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
[B][SIZE="2"]2001 run to the finals[/SIZE][/B]
[U]2001 Blazers: (50-32) 6th in Opp PTS/GM. 9th overall in DRT. SRS 5th of 29. Offensive Rating: 7th overall[/U]
[B]Kobe: 25/4/8/2 on 57% TS[/B]
[U]2001 Kings: (55-27) 13th in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 7th overall. SRS 2nd of 29. Offensive Rating: 9th overall[/U]
[B]Kobe: 35/9/4/1 on 59% TS[/B]
[U]2001 Spurs: (58-24) 3rd in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 1st overall. SRS. 1st overall. Offensive Rating: 6th Overall[/U]
[B]Kobe: 33/7/7/2 on 57% TS[/B]
[B][SIZE="2"]2013 run to the finals[/SIZE][/B]
[U]2013 Bucks: (38-44) 20th in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 12th overall. SRS 18th of 30. Offensive Rating: 22nd overall[/U]
[B]Lebron: 25/8/7/1 on 68% TS[/B]
[U]2013 Bulls: (45-37) 3rd in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 6th overall. SRS 14th of 30 Offensive Rating: 23rd overall[/U]
[B]Lebron: 24/7/8/2 on 57% TS[/B]
[U]2013 Pacers: (49-32) 2nd in OPP PTS/GM. Def Rtg 1st overall. SRS 9th of 30. Offensive Rating: 20th overall
[/U]
[B]Lebron: 29/7/5/1 on 61% TS[/B]
Lebron went through an entire eastern conference without having to play a 50 win team. In 2001, the Lakers led by Kobe through the WCSF & WCF faced 50 win teams in every round, including a 58 win Spurs team in the WCF.
Not only were the teams the 2001 Lakers facing better defensively than Lebrons competition.. they were HEAD AND SHOULDERS better offensively.
The only two good defensive teams Lebron faced (Chicago & IND) were in the bottom 10 of the ENTIRE LEAGUE offensively. While the teams the Lakers were facing throughout the entire Western Conference playoffs were all TOP 10 offensive teams in the entire league..
This is a 22YO Kobe shredding through better teams than a prime Lebron with better scoring and better overall stats in a some series..
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]
Lebron went through an entire eastern conference without having to play a 50 win team. In 2001, the Lakers led by Kobe through the WCSF & WCF faced 50 win teams in every round, including a 58 win Spurs team in the WCF.
Not only were the teams the 2001 Lakers facing better defensively than Lebrons competition.. they were HEAD AND SHOULDERS better offensively.
The only two good defensive teams Lebron faced (Chicago & IND) were in the bottom 10 of the ENTIRE LEAGUE offensively. While the teams the Lakers were facing throughout the entire Western Conference playoffs were all TOP 10 offensive teams in the entire league..
This is a 22YO Kobe shredding through better teams than a prime Lebron with better scoring and better overall stats in a some series..[/QUOTE]
Before the Finals, the best player on the Lakers was averaging 29/15/3/2 on 56% TS and 33/16/5/3 on 58% in the Finals.
The second best player on the Heat averaged 14/5/5 on 50% TS and the Heat's center averaged 7 RPG. 12/7 on 54% TS. Shaq averaged more than Wade and Bosh COMBINED. Your numbers do tend to drop and you draw more defensive attention, if your second best player is injured and your starting center is absolutely useless at rebounding, scoring, and defending.
21 year old Lebron with absolute scrubs on his team:
Wizards (5th in Off Rtg and 22nd in Def Rtg) - 36/7/6 on 60%
Pistons (4th in Off Rtg and 5th in Def Rtg) - 27/9/6 on 52%
Also, why are you ignoring the Finals?
Kobe - 25/8/6/2/1 on 50%
Lebron - 25/11/7/2/1 on 53%
[QUOTE=aj1987]Before the Finals, the best player on the Lakers was averaging 29/15/3/2 on 56% TS and 33/16/5/3 on 58% in the Finals.
The second best player on the Heat averaged 14/5/5 on 50% TS and the Heat's center averaged 7 RPG. 12/7 on 54% TS. Shaq averaged more than Wade and Bosh COMBINED. Your numbers do tend to drop and you draw more defensive attention, if your second best player is injured and your starting center is absolutely useless at rebounding, scoring, and defending.[/QUOTE]
way to go after the only part of the post that was semi opinionated since you don't have shit to say against the facts that were posted
:roll:
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen][B][SIZE="2"]2001 run to the finals[/SIZE][/B]
[U]2001 Blazers: (50-32) 6th in Opp PTS/GM. 9th overall in DRT. SRS 5th of 29. Offensive Rating: 7th overall[/U]
[B]Kobe: 25/4/8/2 on 57% TS[/B]
[U]2001 Kings: (55-27) 13th in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 7th overall. SRS 2nd of 29. Offensive Rating: 9th overall[/U]
[B]Kobe: 35/9/4/1 on 59% TS[/B]
[U]2001 Spurs: (58-24) 3rd in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 1st overall. SRS. 1st overall. Offensive Rating: 6th Overall[/U]
[B]Kobe: 33/7/7/2 on 57% TS[/B]
[B][SIZE="2"]2013 run to the finals[/SIZE][/B]
[U]2013 Bucks: (38-44) 20th in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 12th overall. SRS 18th of 30. Offensive Rating: 22nd overall[/U]
[B]Lebron: 25/8/7/1 on 68% TS[/B]
[U]2013 Bulls: (45-37) 3rd in Opp PTS/GM. Def Rtg 6th overall. SRS 14th of 30 Offensive Rating: 23rd overall[/U]
[B]Lebron: 24/7/8/2 on 57% TS[/B]
[U]2013 Pacers: (49-32) 2nd in OPP PTS/GM. Def Rtg 1st overall. SRS 9th of 30. Offensive Rating: 20th overall
[/U]
[B]Lebron: 29/7/5/1 on 61% TS[/B]
Lebron went through an entire eastern conference without having to play a 50 win team. In 2001, the Lakers led by Kobe through the WCSF & WCF faced 50 win teams in every round, including a 58 win Spurs team in the WCF.
Not only were the teams the 2001 Lakers facing better defensively than Lebrons competition.. they were HEAD AND SHOULDERS better offensively.
The only two good defensive teams Lebron faced (Chicago & IND) were in the bottom 10 of the ENTIRE LEAGUE offensively. While the teams the Lakers were facing throughout the entire Western Conference playoffs were all TOP 10 offensive teams in the entire league..
This is a 22YO Kobe shredding through better teams than a prime Lebron with better scoring and better overall stats in a some series..[/QUOTE]
Just sit your ass down and watch the youtube video OP posted of the top 5 GOAT playoff performances kthx
People don
What a game.
There was literally nothing the Celtics could have done to stop this performance, short of all aging backwards into their late 20s...and even then?
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]way to go after the only part of the post that was semi opinionated since you don't have shit to say against the facts that were posted
:roll:[/QUOTE]
I would, but I have no idea why you're comparing one of Kobe's best playoff runs to one of Lebron's more mediocre ones. Even then, it's arguable that Lebron is better. Show's how good a player he is that you're comparing the best to a mediocre one.
Also, you brought up context by including the team records and ratings. I did the same by pointing out the roster differences and the injuries to KEY Heat players.
I watched this game again. Lebron turned Super Saiyan in this series against a very great defensive team. 2012 Celtics had a better defensive rating than the 2008 Celtics and 2010 Celtics.
[B]2012 Boston Celtics : Def Rtg:[/B] 98.2 (1st of 30)
[B]2010 Boston Celtics: Def Rtg:[/B] 103.8 (5th of 30)
[B]2008 Boston Celtics: Def Rtg:[/B] 98.9 (1st of 30)
Legendary performance.
[QUOTE=Illuminati]Legendary performance.[/QUOTE]
33/11/6 on 53 FG% vs. a 98.2 (defensive rating) aka the best defensive team in the league since the 2004 Detroit Pistons.
This game really saved his legacy :applause:
I wish my fellow Kobe fans wouldn't hate on LeBron so much. This was an excellent game by "the King". His [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201"]PER[/URL]
[QUOTE=6 for 24]I wish my fellow Kobe fans wouldn't hate on LeBron so much. This was an excellent game by "the King". His [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201"]PER[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lebron23]33/11/6 on 53 FG% vs. a 98.2 (defensive rating) aka the best defensive team in the league since the 2004 Detroit Pistons.[/QUOTE]
You know, I know, the WHOLE BOARD knows that even though there "defensive rating" may be better than the 2010 and 2008 C's squad, THAT Celtics team was not a better defensive unit than either of their counterparts.
To say they were the best defensive team since the 04 pistons is ludicrous. Numbers can only justify so little.
[QUOTE=ballinhun8]You know, I know, the WHOLE BOARD knows that even though there "defensive rating" may be better than the 2010 and 2008 C's squad, THAT Celtics team was not a better defensive unit than either of their counterparts.
To say they were the best defensive team since the 04 pistons is ludicrous. Numbers can only justify so little.[/QUOTE]
Bosh also missed 4 games in the conference finals, and Wade was just above average in that series.
Give some credit to the Celtics. They really played their @$$ off against Miami. They were leading the series at 3-2 before Lebron 's 45 points performance in a do or die game.
I think Brandon Bass had his best performance in his NBA Career with the 2012 Boston Celtics.
[QUOTE=ballinhun8]You know, I know, the WHOLE BOARD knows that even though there "defensive rating" may be better than the 2010 and 2008 C's squad, THAT Celtics team was not a better defensive unit than either of their counterparts.
To say they were the best defensive team since the 04 pistons is ludicrous. Numbers can only justify so little.[/QUOTE]
Offensive play was down throughout the league because of the lockout/compressed schedule, so the ratings were a bit skewed
Legendary Performance by LeBron. His best individual game of his career.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Legendary Performance by LeBron. His best individual game of his career.[/QUOTE]
It was Wilt-like. :applause:
[QUOTE=Marchesk]It was Wilt-like. :applause:[/QUOTE]
[img]http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1088089/lebrondunk.gif[/img]
This game hurt.
He couldn't miss. It was incredible to watch. If they lost, his legacy was ruined. Down two going into an elimination game in Boston, and LeBron somehow won the series for the Heat.
Legendary performance.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Bosh also missed 4 games in the conference finals, and [B]Wade was just above average in that series.[/B]
Give some credit to the Celtics. They really played their @$$ off against Miami. They were leading the series at 3-2 before Lebron 's 45 points performance in a do or die game.
I think Brandon Bass had his best performance in his NBA Career with the 2012 Boston Celtics.[/QUOTE]
He was getting Double-Teamed most of the series.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Legendary Performance by LeBron. His best individual game of his career.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.
But I do think his 37 point game 7 in finals of 2013 more impressive.
[QUOTE=Nash]Yeah.
But I do think his 37 point game 7 in finals of 2013 more impressive.[/QUOTE]
why? what do you mean 'more impressive' ? I think his 2012 G6 is easily better
[QUOTE=Wade's Rings]He was getting Double-Teamed most of the series.[/QUOTE]
This is true. I remember that. The Celtics took him out of it pretty effectively but it didn't matter in the end. Chalmers stepped up all playoffs that year :pimp:
And Battier and Miller went nuts in the finals. Miller only one game but it was a crazy game and the final one.
Battier was weird in the playoffs. Both in 2012 and 2013 he was atrocious until the finals, and then he suddenly started shooting like curry.
Lebron doing work in transition and against single coverage
Kobe would dropped 60+ against same defense
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]Lebron doing work in transition and against single coverage
Kobe would dropped 60+ against same defense[/QUOTE]
Care to bring up Kobes averages against the Celtics both times he faced them? Give us shootinv percentages too!
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]Lebron doing work in transition and against single coverage
Kobe would dropped 60+ against same defense[/QUOTE]
:lebroncry:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg[/url]
Lebron James 19/26 FG 2-4 3PT 5-9 FT 45 PTS
[B]13 Jump Shots:[/B] 0:23, 0:37, 1:15, 1:56, 2:10, 2:15, 2:38, 2:46, 3:33, 4:43, 4:51, 5:21, 5:42
[B]2 Fastbreaks:[/B] 0:07, 0:42
[B]1 Putback:[/B] 3:04
[B]1 Bank Shot:[/B] 3:55
[B]1 Floater:[/B] 4:14
[B]1 Cut:[/B] 6:00
[QUOTE=JohnMax][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg[/url]
Lebron James 19/26 FG 2-4 3PT 5-9 FT 45 PTS
[B]13 Jump Shots:[/B] 0:23, 0:37, 1:15, 1:56, 2:10, 2:15, 2:38, 2:46, 3:33, 4:43, 4:51, 5:21, 5:42
[B]2 Fastbreaks:[/B] 0:07, 0:42
[B]1 Putback:[/B] 3:04
[B]1 Bank Shot:[/B] 3:55
[B]1 Floater:[/B] 4:14
[B]1 Cut:[/B] 6:00[/QUOTE]
Absolutely amazing :applause: