Kris Humphries is re-signing with Nets on two-year deal valued at $24 million

I don't see an argument really.

Is he overpaid? YES. Welcome to the NBA.
Is it a bad contract? NO. It doesn't limit their flexibility and losing him would basically put the a 4 short of a starting lineup.
So good signing, bad money, but justifiable.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]Prok reminds me of the old Mark Cuban. Spend to spend.[/QUOTE]

Not exactly. He is very liberal with the spending, but it's not as if we're adding pieces that don't fit like Cuban used to do with adding guys like Jamison, Antoine Walker, who didn't address a need. Each of the players we've got this off-season has addressed a need.

Overpaying? Probably. But if we don't make the ECF (or within reasonable distance), it would've been a failure. I think our chances are fairly decent.

[QUOTE=wang4three]Not exactly. He is very liberal with the spending, but it's not as if we're adding pieces that don't fit like Cuban used to do with adding guys like Jamison, Antoine Walker, who didn't address a need. Each of the players we've got this off-season has addressed a need.

Overpaying? Probably. But if we don't make the ECF (or within reasonable distance), it would've been a failure. I think our chances are fairly decent.[/QUOTE]

I meant the part where he overpays everyone, not where he randomly brings together a bunch of talent that doesn't fit.

This team isn't a real threat to Miami, Boston or Chicago (w/ Rose) though so not sure if all the spending is worth it.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I meant the part where he overpays everyone, not where he randomly brings together a bunch of talent that doesn't fit.[/QUOTE]

In this case nothing is held against him. Did you expect him to say no to Joe? Or when the Nets failed in getting D12, and Lopez already had two MAX offers on the table? Did you expect him to let Lopez go and Hump go, and Gerald go? He had to fork over money to KEEP these players. He didn't jusy agree to pay for them for no reason. If he didn't "overpay", Hump, Gerald, and Brook would be gone. Thus Deron would be gone too. His spending is not bad in this situation.

[QUOTE=wang4three]There were 11 teams under 30 wins this year. Only two of those teams had a guy that averaged a double-double: The Nets with Kris and the Kings with Cousins. Then you had the Pistons and Warriors who had Greg Monroe and David Lee that were very close to a double-double.

If it was so easy, then how come all the other bad teams don't have guys that do it, if there are 30-40 options available to them?[/QUOTE]


Because those teams have more than one rebounding player on the roster, and don't have rebounding hustle players like Humphries playing 35 minutes a game.


Give a terribly average player like Drew Gooden 35 minutes a game on the Nets playing next to Shelden Williams and he would average a double double. You are kidding yourself if you disagree.

Knicks 2.0

Boy the lockout was a real success, wasn't it.

[quote]Looking for a reason why Kris Humphries is getting $12 million a year? Just look at the cap math from the Brooklyn Nets’ perspective ... and then turn your gaze toward Florida.

If they’re thinking about trading for Dwight Howard after Jan. 15, when Brook Lopez is trade eligible -- and most certainly, they are -- then signing Humphries to a short contract of this size makes all kinds of sense.

The reason is that it allows the Nets to take back much bigger contracts from Orlando in a trade. Paying Humphries $12 million means that the combination of Humphries, Tyshawn Taylor and Reggie Evans can be used to take back $18.6 million in contracts from Orlando -- which conveniently, is exactly enough to swallow the contracts of Orlando veterans Glen Davis, Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson and clean the Magic’s books going forward.

Do that, then put Lopez and MarShon Brooks in a deal for Howard (again, just clearing enough salary from the New Jersey end to take back his salary from Orlando), throw in all the same draft picks New Jersey would give in the original deal, and the trade still works. In fact, it works better, since the Nets can swallow a bit more salary in this one than in the deal mooted over the summer.

As for the fine print, Brooks almost certainly would be routed to a third team for another draft pick for Orlando, but the trade would be cap-legal regardless. Routing Humphries to a third team would prove more problematic, but again it would be cap-legal if it happened as long as all the goodies went back to the Magic. After all this, the Magic would have a signed frontcourt of Humphries and Lopez and, if they cut Hedo Turkoglu, have max cap space in 2013. [/quote]

[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/47923/to-make-sense-of-nets-deal-look-south[/url]

..and back on the Howard to Nets-bandwagon ESPN is. Every move is made to acquire Dwight. You

[QUOTE=LJJ]Because those teams have more than one rebounding player on the roster, and don't have rebounding hustle players like Humphries playing 35 minutes a game.


Give a terribly average player like Drew Gooden 35 minutes a game on the Nets playing next to Shelden Williams and he would average a double double. You are kidding yourself if you disagree.[/QUOTE]

Name 29-39 people outside of Drew Gooden that can do this. You're kidding yourself if think there that many. You're also terrible incorrect if you think teams like Charlotte or Toronto have multiple rebounding forces. And by your logic, you're basically lumping David Lee and Greg Monroe into the same category since their competition for rebounds is pretty slim.

[QUOTE=wang4three]Name 29-39 people outside of Drew Gooden that can do this. You're kidding yourself if think there that many. You're also terrible incorrect if you think teams like Charlotte or Toronto have multiple rebounding forces. And by your logic, you're basically lumping David Lee and Greg Monroe into the same category since their competition for rebounds is pretty slim.[/QUOTE]
lets be real here. they (along with GS and detroit and I think charlotte) were by far the worst rebounding teams last season. None of those dudes had much help (and have somewhat inflated rb # because of it).

[QUOTE=boozehound]lets be real here. they (along with GS and detroit and I think charlotte) were by far the worst rebounding teams last season. None of those dudes had much help (and have somewhat inflated rb # because of it).[/QUOTE]
Idk how your surroundings determines stats. LeBron averaged 30 points in Cleveland and is averaging 28 in Miami. According to your theory he should average much lower in Miami because he is playing alongside two other 20 ppg scorers. Yet his statistics are nearly identical for both teams despite completely different situations. Hump has been steadily improving year in and year out and his work cannot be undervalued because of a weak front court. Your logic is terrible.

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]Idk how your surroundings determines stats. LeBron averaged 30 points in Cleveland and is averaging 28 in Miami. According to your theory he should average much lower in Miami because he is playing alongside two other 20 ppg scorers. Yet his statistics are nearly identical for both teams despite completely different situations. Hump has been steadily improving year in and year out and his work cannot be undervalued because of a weak front court. Your logic is terrible.[/QUOTE]
hes a top 5 rebounder in the league, yet his team had the 4th? worst rb rate. what does that tell you? that the rest of the squad are below par rebounders. and, most likely, he gets extra garbage rbs (like ben wallace used to) just by being the only one in position.

And by saying hump has nobody beside him to grab rebounds is a compliment to him. He has to go up against other frontcourts all by himself and grab rebounds over them all by himself. He doesn't have somebody to ask for help.
Again your logic is terrible.

what a butthurt toolbox you are.

[QUOTE=wang4three]Name 29-39 people outside of Drew Gooden that can do this. You're kidding yourself if think there that many. You're also terrible incorrect if you think teams like Charlotte or Toronto have multiple rebounding forces. And by your logic, you're basically lumping David Lee and Greg Monroe into the same category since their competition for rebounds is pretty slim.[/QUOTE]


Garnett
Chandler
Brand
Noah
Boozer
Hibbert
West
Bogut
Ersan
Monroe
Maxiell
Varejao
Jamison
Bosh
Horford
Smith
Howard
McGee
Nene
Ibaka
Perkins
Faried
Jefferson
Favors
Millsap
Aldridge
Camby
Hickson
Love
Pekovic
Gasol
Bynum
Griffin
Jordan
Martin
Gortat
Lee
Kwame
Cousins
Thompson
Duncan
Blair
Other Gasol
Zach
Dirky
Scola
Dalembert
Okafor
Landry
Kaman

And those are just the most obvious suspects. I don't feel like counting, but even the most marginal talents on that list could still average a double double on those Nets.

[QUOTE=boozehound]lets be real here. they (along with GS and detroit and I think charlotte) were by far the worst rebounding teams last season. None of those dudes had much help (and have somewhat inflated rb # because of it).[/QUOTE]

Ben Wallace will be regarded as one of the best rebounders of all time but the Pistons (pre-Rasheed Wallace days) were one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Are we going to discredit him as a rebounder too because of it?

And how much inflating are we really talking about? To use the Ben Wallace example, after Rasheed joined the team, his averages dropped like 2 or 3 rebounds. Which would make Kris a 9-10 rpg player. Not really that bad if you ask me.

His point production most definitely will go down, but his rebounding should be fine. If I take issue with anything Kris does, it's what he does on offense. He tries too much to do what he's not. But as far as rebounding goes, he's a pretty good one, and as good as anyone not named Kevin Love or Dwight Howard.

[QUOTE=boozehound]what a butthurt toolbox you are.[/QUOTE]
Toolbox? I have a hammer stored inside and I just nailed you down.:oldlol:

No seriously though, it's extremely commendable when your frontcourt is composed of only one player( hump) and he has to go against the OKC's of the world, spurs, Knicks and so many more and is asked to defend the entire front court on his own and grab rebounds over them on his own. It would be easier if he said "**** it I'll let petro do the work " it's going to be so much easier with Lopez back next year on hump.

[QUOTE=LJJ]Because those teams have more than one rebounding player on the roster, and don't have rebounding hustle players like Humphries playing 35 minutes a game.


Give a terribly average player like Drew Gooden 35 minutes a game on the Nets playing next to Shelden Williams and he would average a double double. You are kidding yourself if you disagree.[/QUOTE]
You're wrong. Kris Humphries is a very high energy player.. guys like Drew Gooden wouldnt be able to keep their energy levels high enough to do all of the banging and running around that Kris does. It's very noticeable on the court that he is playing with more intensity at times than anybody else.

Kris Humphries will average 9+ boards next year. His numbers will drop a little because of Lopez and Evans getting big minutes but there's nothing thats going to stop him from doing what he does especially when the starting center has zero aggressivenes when going for bounds.

[QUOTE=LJJ]Garnett
Chandler
Brand
Noah
Boozer
Hibbert
West
Bogut
Ersan
Monroe
Maxiell
Varejao
Jamison
Bosh
Horford
Smith
Howard
McGee
Nene
Ibaka
Perkins
Faried
Jefferson
Favors
Millsap
Aldridge
Camby
Hickson
Love
Pekovic
Gasol
Bynum
Griffin
Jordan
Martin
Gortat
Lee
Kwame
Cousins
Thompson
Duncan
Blair
Other Gasol
Zach
Dirky
Scola
Dalembert
Okafor
Landry
Kaman

And those are just the most obvious suspects. I don't feel like counting, but even the most marginal talents on that list could still a double double on the Nets.[/QUOTE]


This is one of the laziest lists I've ever seen put together. Let me list you the top 10 worst rebounding teams:

Celtics
Bobcats
Warriors
Nets
Pistons
Blazers
Hornets
Hawks
Clippers
Heat

Right off the bat, your first guy, Garnett, is on the worst rebounding team and yet didn't average the rebounds. Then you see guys like Okafor, Aldridge, Monroe, DeAndre Jordan who were on bad rebounding teams and couldn't muster up double digit rebounds.

And then you have guys that were on bad teams in the past and have never averaged double digit rebounds: Hickson, Kwame, Hibbert, Thompson, Favors, Scola, Nene.

In some of these cases, they've never even averaged 8.

This is the worst list known to man.

What the hell was the point of the lockout? Seems like it's the summer of average players getting grossly overpaid. More power to them, if GMs are stupid enough to overpay, no one will say no to that type of money.

[QUOTE=wang4three]This is one of the laziest lists I've ever seen put together. Let me list you the top 10 worst rebounding teams:

Celtics
Bobcats
Warriors
Nets
Pistons
Blazers
Hornets
Hawks
Clippers
Heat

Right off the bat, your first guy, Garnett, is on the worst rebounding team and yet didn't average the rebounds. Then you see guys like Okafor, Aldridge, Monroe, DeAndre Jordan who were on bad rebounding teams and couldn't muster up double digit rebounds.

And then you have guys that were on bad teams in the past and have never averaged double digit rebounds: Hickson, Kwame, Hibbert, Thompson, Favors, Scola, Nene.

In some of these cases, they've never even averaged 8.

This is the worst list known to man.[/QUOTE]

They could all easily average 10 rebounds in 35 minutes on those Nets playing next to Shelden Williams.

Especially when doing barely anything else. They were simply never put in a situation like that. But everyone can see you are just a blind homer.

[QUOTE=wang4three]
This is the worst list known to man.[/QUOTE]
The guy is a moron. We saw McGee on one of the worst frontcourts and teams in the league with all of the opportunity in the world for him to showcase his talent and he sucked. Most of the guys on that list dont have near the nose for the ball or aggressiveness Humphries has. They're just a list of random tall players in the league. :oldlol:

[quote=Locked_Up_Tonight]The Nets will pay >60 million dollars just on the starting unit alone: Deron/Johnson/Wallace/Humphries/Lopez.

Talk about wasting money.[/quote]

Will that lineup even make the playoffs?

[QUOTE=wang4three]Ben Wallace will be regarded as one of the best rebounders of all time but the Pistons (pre-Rasheed Wallace days) were one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Are we going to discredit him as a rebounder too because of it?

And how much inflating are we really talking about? To use the Ben Wallace example, after Rasheed joined the team, his averages dropped like 2 or 3 rebounds. Which would make Kris a 9-10 rpg player. Not really that bad if you ask me.

His point production most definitely will go down, but his rebounding should be fine. If I take issue with anything Kris does, it's what he does on offense. He tries too much to do what he's not. But as far as rebounding goes, he's a pretty good one, and as good as anyone not named Kevin Love or Dwight Howard.[/QUOTE]

I acknowledge (in a second post on this) that ben wallace's stats are also inflated. it comes with the territory. funny how other nets fans get all butthurt about it when its really just an observation (in which I never singled out hump, but also acknowledged lee and moose).

[QUOTE=LJJ]They could all easily average 10 rebounds in 35 minutes on those Nets playing next to Shelden Williams.

Especially when doing barely anything else. They were simply never put in a situation like that. But everyone can see you are just a blind homer.[/QUOTE]

No, I think you're just blind. Kris has averaged 10rpg in 27mpg in the just the season prior. Guys you put up, who've been on bad teams and played significant rebounds couldn't put up 10 rebounds in less than 30 minutes. Kwame Brown? Who was he rebounding against when he was on the Lakers and Bobcats? Diop and Chris Mihm? Didn't even break 8.

Scola is a guy when they were fronting Battier at PF when Yao went down couldn't average 10 rpg. McGee played most of this season with 6'7" Trevor Booker at the 4 and he didn't either.

And barely anything else? The guy was like our 2nd or 3rd leading scorer for most of the season. If anything, his rebounding numbers went down this season because he was asked to score instead of just rebound.

You're just awful.

[QUOTE=boozehound]I acknowledge (in a second post on this) that ben wallace's stats are also inflated. it comes with the territory. funny how other nets fans get all butthurt about it when its really just an observation (in which I never singled out hump, but also acknowledged lee and moose).[/QUOTE]

Ok, I did not see the other post. I'm not butthurt, I just don't think people can knock Kris as a rebounder. There's plenty of other things you can criticize him for. Whether it be offensively, personally, or mentally. But as a rebounder? That's the one thing he's legitimately good at.

[QUOTE=wang4three]Ok, I did not see the other post. I'm not butthurt, I just don't think people can knock Kris as a rebounder. There's plenty of other things you can criticize him for. Whether it be offensively, personally, or mentally. But as a rebounder? That's the one thing he's legitimately good at.[/QUOTE]
no, I think you have been reasonable (as you most always are) in this thread. Kris is a good rebounder, no doubt.

[QUOTE=wang4three]Ok, I did not see the other post. I'm not butthurt, I just don't think people can knock Kris as a rebounder. There's plenty of other things you can criticize him for. Whether it be offensively, personally, or mentally. But as a rebounder? That's the one thing he's legitimately good at.[/QUOTE]
I've seen him twice injure teammates knocking them out of the way. For rebounds. :lol he's give it his all.

[QUOTE=wang4three]No, I think you're just blind. Kris has averaged 10rpg in 27mpg in the just the season prior. Guys you put up, who've been on bad teams and played significant rebounds couldn't put up 10 rebounds in less than 30 minutes. Kwame Brown? Who was he rebounding against when he was on the Lakers and Bobcats? Diop and Chris Mihm? Didn't even break 8.

Scola is a guy when they were fronting Battier at PF when Yao went down couldn't average 10 rpg. McGee played most of this season with 6'7" Trevor Booker at the 4 and he didn't either.

And barely anything else? The guy was like our 2nd or 3rd leading scorer for most of the season. If anything, his rebounding numbers went down this season because he was asked to score instead of just rebound.

You're just awful.[/QUOTE]

When Kwame played on the Bobcats that was a solid rebounding team. Same with the Lakers. Give him carte blanche on a horrible rebounding team? He could do it. He is one of the weaker cases on my list, I agree, but I think he could do it. He has the physical tools and rebounding ability.

Scola? Averaged 9 rebounds per game in 30 minutes on a team with Yao, Artest, Landry. But he can't average 10 on the Nets? GTFO. The reason he doesn't average monster stats is because he is a consummate team player who doesn't play for stats. He is better than Humphries at literally every single thing involving basketball.

McGee? Doesn't average a double double because he doesn't get to play 35 minutes a game. Would easily do so in those minutes, especially on those Nets. If you think he wouldn't average a double double on the Nets you must be insane.



You can take all the cases you (wrongly) doubt off my list, and still end up with the 29+ guys you asked for.

[QUOTE=LJJ]When Kwame played on the Bobcats that was a solid rebounding team. Same with the Lakers.

Scola? Averaged 9 rebounds per game in 30 minutes on a team with Yao, Artest, Landry. But he can't average 10 on the Nets? GTFO. The reason he doesn't average monster stats is because he is a consummate team player who doesn't play for stats. He is better than Humphries at literally every single thing involving basketball.

McGee? Doesn't average a double double because he doesn't get to play 35 minutes a game. Would easily do so in those minutes, especially on those Nets. If you think he wouldn't average a double double on the Nets you must be insane.



You can take all the cases you (wrongly) doubt off my list, and still end up with the 29+ guys you asked for.[/QUOTE]


I can go on and on about players on that list that aren't averaging 10 rebounds. And you neglect that Kris was averaging 10 rebounds while playing 27 minutes on the Nets. You hinge on the 35+ minute season alone but yet you're allowed to introduce other seasons? So when McGee and Hump played
similar minutes and one did better than the other, it's disregarded?

I could go on about the cases you list. Hickson? Where was that double digit rebounding on the Cavs when they were the 22nd worst rebounding team in the 10-11 season? Aldridge? 6th worst rebounding team in the league, and he has never broken that plane. Maxiell? Never even crossed 7 and he's played similar minutes to Kris' 27 mpg season where he averaged 10. Horford? Atlanta has always been one of the worst rebounding teams the last few seasons and he hasn't crossed 10. In his 35mpg season, his stats look awfully comparable to Kris, if you ask me. Josh Smith? Same thing as Horford. Never averaged 10 and is one of the worst rebounding teams.

I can keep going. It's not worth it though.

[QUOTE=bagelred]This is a good deal, but Jeremy Lin is overpaid.







:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

yea that's what I was thinking...

guess dude needs to date a Kardashian.

-Smak

wow...the new CBA didn't do sh*t.

Looks like thread went to hell

No one denies the fact that Hump can get numbers. The issue is he's not a difference-maker and he's being paid like one.

[QUOTE=boozehound]no, I think you have been reasonable (as you most always are) in this thread. Kris is a good rebounder, no doubt.[/QUOTE]
I have been preaching humps rebounding and work ethic this entire thread. The way he goes up against frontcourts on his own is amazing. His rebounding and work ethic is what earned him this contract.

[QUOTE=wang4three]I can go on and on about players on that list that aren't averaging 10 rebounds. And you neglect that Kris was averaging 10 rebounds while playing 27 minutes on the Nets. You hinge on the 35+ minute season alone but yet you're allowed to introduce other seasons? So when McGee and Hump played
similar minutes and one did better than the other, it's disregarded?

I could go on about the cases you list. Hickson? Where was that double digit rebounding on the Cavs when they were the 22nd worst rebounding team in the 10-11 season? Aldridge? 6th worst rebounding team in the league, and he has never broken that plane. Maxiell? Never even crossed 7 and he's played similar minutes to Kris' 27 mpg season where he averaged 10. Horford? Atlanta has always been one of the worst rebounding teams the last few seasons and he hasn't crossed 10. In his 35mpg season, his stats look awfully comparable to Kris, if you ask me. Josh Smith? Same thing as Horford. Never averaged 10 and is one of the worst rebounding teams.

I can keep going. It's not worth it though.[/QUOTE]

It's not worth it, because you are completely wrong.

So you are seriously arguing that Josh Smith, Al Horford, Scola or Aldridge aren't vastly superior forwards compared to Kris Humphries, and we are supposed to take you seriously? Are you trolling? Not even the worst homer could be that fanatical.

wtf? If Humphries is a 12 mill player then Ibaka will be max