Serge Ibaka has reached agreement on a four-year, 48 million contract extension

Problem with the Lakers is those idiots will magically find a way to build a team.

All their contracts expire in 2 years other than Nash and Howard if he signs, and Nash might very well retire if he gets his chip.

[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]If a team is stupid enough to pay him 14 mil a year, then absolutely let him walk. Or trade him before then. If OKC thinks their current core is enough to win a championship, they have another thing coming. They're just gonna lose to LA and Miami every year until they're forced to blow it up.[/QUOTE]

Ignorance. They basically played Miami even in 4 out of 5 games and got some tough breaks in them.

LA's core will be retired in 2 years minus Dwight.

At worst OKC is 3rd in "favorites" this year, and at worst will be 2nd in "favorites" after this year. Year after that the core finally enters their primes.

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]How is Iblocka overpaid when guys like Deandre Jordan and Javale Mcgee are getting money in the same neighbourhood. This is a fair deal for Ibaka, not a steal by any means. He can still improve his offensive game and man defense. Okc once again shows why they have some of the best management in the league by locking him up before some idiot GM could offer him a max deal(I'm looking at you David Kahn). What OKC needs to do is trade Harden because he's definitely going to get overpaid big time.[/QUOTE]

I dont like when people say "this player isnt overpaid bc this player is paid the same". You cant compare one overpaid player to another overpaid player and say that they are not overpaid bc both of them got paid the same. Jordan and Ibaka are both overpaid, there is no doubt about that. I'd say Mcgee is a bit above Ibaka bc he is a true center.

[QUOTE=Freedom Kid7]:facepalm . They coulda haggled for 10mil/year[/QUOTE]

Doubtful. If they wanted to keep him, they needed to pay him this amount. No way he agrees to terms on 10 mil a year. He would have just went to the open market. OKC knows the teams around the league are overpaying young bigmen right now. They decided they wanted to keep him and offered up the coin.

Is Harden taking less money though?....I mean he is guaranteed max deals.

And if you give him max then that puts you at

20 mil Durant
20 mil Westbrook
12 mil Ibaka
14.5 mil Harden

If he makes the All Star team this year, then that goes up I beleive

Cap is

58 mil I believe?

Those 4 guys are at 66.5.

So even if you offer him less than the Max , the 4 of them alone will likely take you slightly over the limit.

And the money doesn't flow like the Lakers.

Westbrook never gets above 17 million on his deal. He's below max a few of the years too.

[SIZE="5"]THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR THE THUNDER!!![/SIZE]

Serge is a fcking beast and anyone talking shit in the thread is either scared as fck or doesn't watch the Thunder.



[SIZE="7"]THE DYNASTY IS SET. THUNDER WILL RULE THE WEST FOR YEARS TO COME!!!![/SIZE]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xM8DWlz24A[/url]


Iblocka going to average a triple double next year :applause:

[QUOTE=Cowboy Thunder][SIZE="5"]THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR THE THUNDER!!![/SIZE]

Serge is a fcking beast and anyone talking shit in the thread is either scared as fck or doesn't watch the Thunder.



[SIZE="7"]THE DYNASTY IS SET. THUNDER WILL RULE THE WEST FOR YEARS TO COME!!!![/SIZE]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

At worst we have to wait 2-3 years when ideally, our top players reach their primes (26-27). THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT, we just might have to be patient.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]I'm not sure how much you can trust his age. He may be older.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=PyrrhusX]At worst we have to wait 2-3 years when ideally, our top players reach their primes (26-27). THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT, we just might have to be patient.[/QUOTE]

Naw, there is no waiting.


We rule the West for years to come starting last year.






Dear ISH idiots,

Stick you head between your legs and kiss your ass good-bye. Westbook, Durant, Ibaka...only 1 Olympian left to re-sign. :bowdown:

If okc can afford the lux tax bill, more power to them

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]I'm not sure how much you can trust his age. He may be older.[/QUOTE]
This. The dude is probably like 26.

[QUOTE=KG215]Or they amnesty Perkins, see how Perry Jones plays this year, and go with an Ibaka/PJ3 frontcourt for the future. That, or start an Ibaka/Collison frontcourt.

Or they amnesty Perkins, don't re-sign Maynor, and sign a vet center for the minimum.

Yes, the Thunder are in "trouble" but how is that any different than what the Lakers and Heat have been doing by spending the majority of their payroll on 3-4 players t the expense of a good bench? The Lakers have a start studded starting lineup and good sixth man in Jamison, but the rest of their bench is shit. The Heat have their "Big 3" and Ray Allen, but the rest of their bench is pretty meh. I mean, that's now any different than the situation the Thunder would be in if they also re-sign Harden. I know they won't have the money the Lakers have, but they'd have a 24-25 year old core of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, and Perry Jones (if he pans out) to build around.[/QUOTE]

And you can't really count on a rookie with clinically proven bad knees. And the Lakers will be fine we have proven that we can figure things out all the time. The thing about the Thunder is that they are forced to pay so much money for unproven young players.

[QUOTE=dunksby]LMAO @ retards here who were proven wrong now the same people who kept saying Ibaka will leave and get a max contract saying he is overpaid :roll:[/QUOTE]


ppl r dum

I can't believe either of them get a Max. Best part for the Thunder is Harden shit the bed. Maybe they can lock him up for a little less, too.

Crazy money, though, for their core.

-Smak

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]And you can't really count on a rookie with clinically proven bad knees. And the Lakers will be fine we have proven that we can figure things out all the time. The thing about the Thunder is that they are forced to pay so much money for unproven young players.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say Perry Jones was the only or main option. He's probably like plan D or plan E right now. And we're "forced" to pay for unproven young guys? You mean these unproven young guys..


[B]Durant (23 years old)[/B] - 3x scoring champ, 3x All-NBA 1st team, 2x 2nd in MVP voting, consensus top 3 player in the league.

[B]Westbrook (23 years old)[/B] - All-NBA 1st team, top 5 scorer last year, 25/5/5 guy who's only getting better and has the potential to be a very good defender to top off his explosive offensive game.

[B]Harden (22 years old)[/B] - 6th Man, 18/4/4 guy who is already a borderline All-Star. Yes, he pulled a disappearing act in the Finals, but he's still gotten better each season and has shown he has the potential to be a 20/5/5 player as the #1 option on a team.

[B]Ibaka (22 years old)[/B] - All-Defense 1st Team (might have been unwarranted and should've been 2nd team) and led league in blocks at 22. Although he's still raw, he showed a much improved offensive game this year, and can pull other PF's away from the basket with his jumper.

I mean, yeah, they're not proven in the sense they haven't won a championship but, going down the line and looking at each of their roles, they are about as "proven" as they can be at this age, especially Durant and Westbrook.

I'm sure after Kobe, Nash, and Gasol retire or go elsewhere, the Lakers will do what they always do, and pull something else out of their ass and put another contender on the floor. If we're "stuck" building around Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and possibly Harden for the next 5-7 years, I think I can live with that as a Thunder fan.

don't try convince these dumbasses, just let them sit there next year and watch the Thunder curb stomp their weak teams

Who ever says Thunder are still "rebuilding" are out of their mind... Going to a WCF and the Finals totally eliminates that theory.. The talent they have on that team is scary and lets not forget they have stockpiled on mid-late 1st round picks these past 1-3 years and some of these players may prove their worth this season giving them more depth(Jackson, Aldrich, Perry Jones, Maynor(injuries))..

[QUOTE=KG215]I didn't say Perry Jones was the only or main option. He's probably like plan D or plan E right now. And we're "forced" to pay for unproven young guys? You mean these unproven young guys..


[B]Durant (23 years old)[/B] - 3x scoring champ, 3x All-NBA 1st team, 2x 2nd in MVP voting, consensus top 3 player in the league.

[B]Westbrook (23 years old)[/B] - All-NBA 1st team, top 5 scorer last year, 25/5/5 guy who's only getting better and has the potential to be a very good defender to top off his explosive offensive game.

[B]Harden (22 years old)[/B] - 6th Man, 18/4/4 guy who is already a borderline All-Star. Yes, he pulled a disappearing act in the Finals, but he's still gotten better each season and has shown he has the potential to be a 20/5/5 player as the #1 option on a team.

[B]Ibaka (22 years old)[/B] - All-Defense 1st Team (might have been unwarranted and should've been 2nd team) and led league in blocks at 22. Although he's still raw, he showed a much improved offensive game this year, and can pull other PF's away from the basket with his jumper.

I mean, yeah, they're not proven in the sense they haven't won a championship but, going down the line and looking at each of their roles, they are about as "proven" as they can be at this age, especially Durant and Westbrook.

I'm sure after Kobe, Nash, and Gasol retire or go elsewhere, the Lakers will do what they always do, and pull something else out of their ass and put another contender on the floor. If we're "stuck" building around Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and possibly Harden for the next 5-7 years, I think I can live with that as a Thunder fan.[/QUOTE]

Obviously I know they are all great YOUNG players. But a team full of young stars has never went on to win the ring. I don't know what you guys value in Loud City but if they can't win rings then whats the point? And you guys can try to down play the Lakers all you want but they are the best team in basketball right now and you guys will have to deal with us for the next 3+ years.

They had a legit chance to win this year and they completely blew it by playing like tiny-tots. Losing 4-1 to the Heat says a lot about this team if the old Celtics & emerging Pacers won more games.

And their achilles heel will continue to be that they have no one to get them points in the post. They are strictly a jump shooting team.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]Obviously I know they are all great YOUNG players. But a team full of young stars has never went on to win the ring.[/QUOTE]
Huh? Never in the history of the league has a team drafted, developed, and watched young players blossom and gel together and win a championship? Really? That's never happened?

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]I don't know what you guys value in Loud City but if they can't win rings then whats the point?[/QUOTE]
How do we know they can't win a championship or two?

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]And you guys can try to down play the Lakers all you want but they are the best team in basketball right now and you guys will have to deal with us for the next 3+ years.[/QUOTE]
More typical Laker fan arrogance here. You can try and hype them up all you want, but no one knows if they're the best team in basketball right now. Championships aren't won in the off-season. Until this current Laker team at least plays a few months together, then claiming they're the best team in the league is just ignorant.

And for the next 3+ years? You mean if the Lakers go out and get someone to replace Kobe, Nash, and Gasol, right? If not, then you can't be serious. I won't even go four years down the line, I'll go three. At the start of the 2014-2015 season Kobe will be 36 years old and in his 19th season. Steve Nash, if he doesn't retire, will be 40 going on 41 and in his 19th season. Pau Gasol will be 34 and entering his 14th season. So, if this current Laker team is still together in 3 years, it'll be Dwight and three guys in their mid to late 30s, two of which playing their 19th season in the league. Maybe by some miracle they all hold up, stay healthy, and don't decline by then, but I highly doubt it.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]They had a legit chance to win this year and they completely blew it by playing like tiny-tots. Losing 4-1 to the Heat says a lot about this team if the old Celtics & emerging Pacers won more games.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even going to dignify this stupidity with a response.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]And their achilles heel will continue to be that they have no one to get them points in the post. They are strictly a jump shooting team.[/QUOTE]
I know, right? I mean there's no way in hell Ibaka will ever become a reliable post scorer. I'd be shocked if he's ever better and more developed than he was this year at 22 years old. And you don't need as many points in the post when you've got three perimeter players getting you 70-80 points a night.

Wow

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]And you can't really count on a rookie with clinically proven bad knees. And the Lakers will be fine we have proven that we can figure things out all the time. [B]The thing about the Thunder is that they are forced to pay so much money for unproven young players[/B].[/QUOTE]

When you say players you must mean more than one individual. If we assume Ibaka is an unproven individual the are you also saying one of (if not both) Westbrook and Durant are unproven?

I also agree with KG215 on more than one point, but the one in particular?
'You can try and hype them up all you want, but no one knows if they're the best team in basketball right now. Championships aren't won in the off-season.'

Heat fans arnt even that bad after winning a well earned championship, I cant say the same for some laker fans :facepalm

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]you guys can try to down play the Lakers all you want but they are the best team in basketball right now and you guys will have to deal with us for the next 3+ years. [/QUOTE]

LMFAO yeah a team that have never played together is the best in the league :roll: what a joker!

I don't even know why Im going at it like this with [B][I]Thunder[/I][/B] fans but if their FO was smart they wouldn't make Ibaka/Harden/Durant/Westbrook their core. And yes a core of four young players has never won a ring which is why people were making such a big deal about them this year. A core of Westbrook/Durant/ & another high priced slightly older player (like Aldridge, Josh Smith, etc) +other pieces would take them further. They can get what Ibaka & Harden brings to the table for much cheaper. I don't even feel like Im arguing Im just stating facts.

And yes this Lakers team is built to contend for the next 3 or 4yrs. Like I said, you guys can try to downplay us all you want but we are the best team in the league. Its funny how you guys are saying that PROVEN battle tested players like Nash/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Dwight need to play a game before you believe the hype :lol..... barring injury I have no doubt we will win the ring...

But the Lakers are beside the point it's just that you Thunder fans seem to think that it will be a cake walk to the Finals every year. Do you guys seriously think Ibaka/Durant/Westbrook/ & MAYBE HARDEN will be enough to win rings? And if at the end of all these contracts you think the Thunder will have enough to sign them all back to bigger deals and convince them to stay for even more despite coming up short!

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]I don't even know why Im going at it like this with [B][I]Thunder[/I][/B] fans but if their FO was smart they wouldn't make Ibaka/Harden/Durant/Westbrook their core. And yes a core of four young players has never won a ring which is why people were making such a big deal about them this year. A core of Westbrook/Durant/ & another high priced slightly older player (like Aldridge, Josh Smith, etc) +other pieces would take them further. They can get what Ibaka & Harden brings to the table for much cheaper. I don't even feel like Im arguing Im just stating facts.

And yes this Lakers team is built to contend for the next 3-5yrs. Like I said, you guys can try to downplay us all you want but we are the best team in the league. Its funny how you guys are saying that PROVEN battle tested players like Nash/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Dwight need to play a game before you believe the hype :lol..... barring injury I have no doubt we will win the ring...

But the Lakers are beside the point it's just that you Thunder fans seem to think that it will be a cake walk to the Finals every year. Do you guys seriously think Ibaka/Durant/Westbrook/ & MAYBE HARDEN will be enough to win rings? And if at the end of all these contracts you think the Thunder will have enough to sign them all back to bigger deals and convince them to stay for even more despite coming up short![/QUOTE]

3-5 years? this lakers core is not contending in 5 years. they will be way too old.

[QUOTE=NugzFan]3-5 years? this lakers core is not contending in 5 years. they will be way too old.[/QUOTE]

Your right 3 or 4.

btw: whenever a center is signed, i swear ISH has the same debate of overpaid or not.

when hibbert is signed, pacer fans think its great, everyone else says overpaid.

when mcgee was signed, nugget fans think its great, everyone else says overpaid.

when lopez was signed, brooklyn fans think its great, everyone else says overpaid.

same with chandler (knick fans), jordan (clipper fans) and now ibaka (thunder fans).

no matter what, whenever a big is signed, he is overpaid in the minds of everyone but the fans of that team.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]Your right 3 or 4.[/QUOTE]

3 maybe. 4 is stretching it. how old will kobe, nash and gasol be by then.

im not saying they wont be good but contend? doubtful.

[QUOTE=NugzFan]3-5 years? this lakers core is not contending in 5 years. they will be way too old.[/QUOTE]

You're right 4 years max

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]You're right 4 years max[/QUOTE]

did you just reply twice?

sounds about right. with the way the nba is going i wouldn't be surprised if ibaka is eventually moved to center, and given what most nba centers make 12 million a year is damn good for a player of ibaka's stature.

[QUOTE=NugzFan]did you just reply twice?[/QUOTE]

Yeah my computer was lagging...

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]I don't even know why Im going at it like this with [B][I]Thunder[/I][/B] fans but if their FO was smart they wouldn't make Ibaka/Harden/Durant/Westbrook their core. And yes a core of four young players has never won a ring which is why people were making such a big deal about them this year.[/QUOTE]
Man, you just keep topping yourself with the ignorant responses. And you're missing the point. Believe it or not, but Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden are going to get older. They aren't going to stay 22 and 23 forever. So, you lock them all up for another 5 years or so, and they won't be "young" anymore. Never mind the fact that this young core just made the NBA Finals.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]A core of Westbrook/Durant/ & another high priced slightly older player (like Aldridge, Josh Smith, etc) +other pieces would take them further. They can get what Ibaka & Harden brings to the table for much cheaper. I don't even feel like Im arguing Im just stating facts.[/QUOTE]
And then what? They try and package a young and still improving Harden and Ibaka for someone like Aldridge and, for the next year or two they may be better, but what about 3-5 years down the line? They do that, then they also lose their only scoring threat off the bench and a 22 year old that just made his first All-Defense team.

Yes, you're stating "facts" but you're not looking at the big picture when it comes to the Thunder. Yet, somehow, you have yourself convinced an already old Lakers team is going to contend for another 4 years.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]And yes this Lakers team is built to contend for the next 3 or 4yrs. Like I said, you guys can try to downplay us all you want but we are the best team in the league. Its funny how you guys are saying that PROVEN battle tested players like Nash/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Dwight need to play a game before you believe the hype :lol..... barring injury I have no doubt we will win the ring...[/QUOTE]
And I'll ask again; how do you know these Lakers are the best team in the league? What evidence and facts do you have to back that statement up? Do you have a time machine? Have gone to June of 2013 and know they're going to win the championship? Because saying they're the best team in the league without even seeing them play one game together is just stupid.

Just because four veteran and battle tested players have proven themselves apart from each other doesn't mean it'll work when they all come together. Do you even understand how basketball works?

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]But the Lakers are beside the point it's just that you Thunder fans seem to think that it will be a cake walk to the Finals every year. Do you guys seriously think Ibaka/Durant/Westbrook/ & MAYBE HARDEN will be enough to win rings? And if at the end of all these contracts you think the Thunder will have enough to sign them all back to bigger deals and convince them to stay for even more despite coming up short![/QUOTE]

No, Thunder fans don't think it'll be a cakewalk to the Finals every year. We're just making outlandish statements to counter the outlandish Laker fan claims saying they're the best team in the league without seeing them play even one game together.

And why shouldn't we think that core of four players can't win a ring? They just made the Finals at 22 and 23 years old. If they continue their current progression, then it's just silly to think they can't win a championship together. What teams, 2-4 years from now, will have a better "Big 4"? You're acting like a core of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka isn't anything special. One is the second best player in the league, one is a top 5-10 player, another is the best 6th man and 16/4/4 third option, and the other is a rim protecting big with an ever improving offensive game.



As for this Lakers team contending for another FOUR years....how in the world do you think that's reasonable? I've already pointed out how old they'll be in three years, but here's where they'll be in four years if they still have Kobe/Dwight/Gasol/Nash.

[B]Kobe -[/B] At the start of the 2015-2016 season he will be 37 years old and entering his 20th season.

[B]Nash -[/B] He would turn 42 during the 2015-2016 season and be in his 20th season.

[B]Gasol -[/B] He will be 36 and entering his 15th season in 2015-2016.


So you really think a core that old will still be contending in 2015-2016? You honestly believe that?

Most Laker fans will believe anything their dimwitted minds want then to believe, regardless of facts.

[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]Most Laker fans will believe anything their dimwitted minds want then to believe, regardless of facts.[/QUOTE]

This WeGetRing guy has to be trolling. No way he's really that stupid.

[QUOTE=KG215]This WeGetRing guy has to be trolling. No way he's really that stupid.[/QUOTE]
I used to think that, but through life I've learnt that, yes, people really can be that stupid.

I dunno, I could see a team with those players + Dwight contending.

But they'd need to improve around them :confusedshrug:

Not that far fetched.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]I dunno, I could see a team with those players + Dwight contending.

But they'd need to improve around them :confusedshrug:

Not that far fetched.[/QUOTE]

Key word is contending, no one denies that.
Some Laker fanboys are acting like its all locked up. :facepalm

Meh, 3rd best in the west and 5th in the league overall IMO.

They have alot of structural shit to figure out, i'd say 2014 is their best chance for a chip.

[QUOTE=KG215]This WeGetRing guy has to be trolling. No way he's really that stupid.[/QUOTE]

Who knows.

This Laker team will only be serious contenders for 2 years. After that, no one knows, as Kobe and Pau will be old and free agents. Who do the Lakers get to build around Dwight? That is a great unknown, and for any Laker fan to even muster up the ignorance to make a statement like "they'll be contending 3-5 years," knowing that...well. That just tells me he is just talking out his ass.

Lakers have a similar window that the 08 Celtics had.