#16 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[QUOTE=Kews1]And KG was unlucky to be drafted by the Timberwolves who were unable to keep players such as Marbury, were stripped of first round draft picks, and unable to put a decent team around KG. When they did put a semi-decent team around him consiting of Cassell and Sprewell, KG LED them to the top seed in the west and right to the WCF, where they came up against the Lakers who have Shaq & Kobe who were both All-NBA first team by that time. You obviously underestimate how bad the teams KG was given in Minny was. There was no building around KG the franchise was run like shit hence why he left.


Are you aware that KG was the first option on the championship celtics team?? People's idea of the whole season is skewed because Paul Pierce won the FMVP whereas people who were actually watching throughout the season will tell you that KG led the team the entire season. He was ****ing 3rd in MVP voting and won DPOY???

IDIOT :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it [B]DURING HIS PRIME.[/B]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with [B]JOSH HOWARD[/B] as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.

2004 was the only year KG got past the first round in Minnesota because he had Sam Cassell to bail him out the same way he had Rondo/Pierce/Allen in Boston.(doesn't matter though Boston KG isn't his prime) When Cassell got hurt in the playoffs we all know the pathetic overrated player known as Garnett would get absolutely creampied by superior players such as Shaq or Duncan. Minnesota had no chance at getting past the real ****ing players. Thats hardly what I'd call relevant.

Don't care about Boston KG. That team was more 04 Pistons than anything. 4 legit allstars. He was past his prime anyway.

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You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with [B]JOSH HOWARD[/B] as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.

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LOL but Kobe bitched like a little girl in that period.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it [B]DURING HIS PRIME.[/B][/QUOTE]
The sad part is Wade couldn't get it done during his peak (09) with
a) A better supporting cast than KG
b) A weak Eastern Conference. Seriously, he lost to the friggin' Hawks :biggums:

And if you continue by that logic, than the beginning of LeBron's prime was a failure because he couldn't take a team to the title.

I don't get you, you praise Karl Malone and attack KG by using contradictory reasons.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it [B]DURING HIS PRIME.[/B][/QUOTE]

Basketballs a team sport you ****ing half-wit, even great players cant win championships all on their own. Given KG John Stockton for his whole career and i bet you KG gets more rings than Malone ever managed.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]

You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with [B]JOSH HOWARD[/B] as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.[/QUOTE]

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers (Post-Shaq) Missed playoffs and Dirks teams never were anywhere close to talent depleted as Garnetts were. Dirks hardly had teams to complain about.


[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]2004 was the only year KG got past the first round in Minnesota because he had Sam Cassell to bail him out the same way he had Rondo/Pierce/Allen in Boston.(doesn't matter though Boston KG isn't his prime) When Cassell got hurt in the playoffs we all know the pathetic overrated player known as Garnett would get absolutely creampied by superior players such as Shaq or Duncan. Minnesota had no chance at getting past the real ****ing players. Thats hardly what I'd call relevant.

Don't care about Boston KG. That team was more 04 Pistons than anything. 4 legit allstars. He was past his prime anyway.[/QUOTE]

So you say hes not in his prime but he was coming of the seasons that you said are the seasons hes in his prime so suddenly hes not in his prime based on what?? his numbers? they take a big drop because suddenly he actually has guys who he can rely on outside him and he dosnt have to do everything himself? How does a player not in his prime lead a team to a championship, finish 3rd in MVP & win DPOY?

:no:

Matt Geiger

This spot can go to either Garnett, Dirk, Pettit, Barkley, Malone, or Robinson.

It's pretty close. There's nothing that separates any of them in terms of all-time lists by that much (Not voting, just saying).

If it was just discussing them as players, it would be a lot different.

[QUOTE=Freedom Kid7]The sad part is Wade couldn't get it done during his peak (09) with
a) A better supporting cast than KG
b) A weak Eastern Conference. Seriously, he lost to the friggin' Hawks :biggums:

And if you continue by that logic, than the beginning of LeBron's prime was a failure because he couldn't take a team to the title.

I don't get you, you praise Karl Malone and attack KG by using contradictory reasons.[/QUOTE]

Oh really? Let's check the standings.

Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with [I][B]TRASH[/B][/I] teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.

Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his [B]prime[/B]!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.

Next.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.

Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with [I][B]TRASH[/B][/I] teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.

Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his [B]prime[/B]!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.

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So now Wade>Garnett? :biggums:

Karl Malone

[QUOTE]Basketballs a team sport you ****ing half-wit, even great players cant win championships all on their own. Given KG John Stockton for his whole career and i bet you KG gets more rings than Malone ever managed.

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers (Post-Shaq) Missed playoffs and Dirks teams never were anywhere close to talent depleted as Garnetts were. Dirks hardly had teams to complain about. [/QUOTE]

KG had all-stars in Minnesota(Googs,Sczerbiak,Marbury,Cassell). Even when Minnesota had multiple all-stars the team was irrelevant. It wasn't the cast as much as it is the main player. The only way KG was ever relevant in his entire career was when he had teams with unequaled talent such as his time in Boston.

Do you even watch basketball? The 2005 Lakers missed the playoffs and underperformed because Kobe was injured that year and their head coach situation was a travesty. KG was in perfect health.

Dirk carried teams that featured Eric Dampier, and Antoine Wright in the starting lineup to deep playoff runs and had his Dallas team winning something like 10 consecutive 50 win years in a row. Guess who the ONLY player was to be on all those Dallas teams? [B]Dirk!!!![/B] An adaptable superstar that can actually lead a team to a title.


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So you say hes not in his prime but he was coming of the seasons that you said are the seasons hes in his prime so suddenly hes not in his prime based on what?? his numbers? they take a big drop because suddenly he actually has guys who he can rely on outside him and he dosnt have to do everything himself? How does a player not in his prime lead a team to a championship, finish 3rd in MVP & win DPOY?
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Who won the Finals MVP?

It was 2004 all over again. Garnett riding the coattails of stellar perimeter players because he can't be relied upon to be the primary option on offense consistently. A bigman thats primary form of scoring is fade-away jump shots.

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So now Wade>Garnett? [/QUOTE]

Yeah easily.

Look at Wades 2006 Heat cast. ****ing pathetic. Shaq averaged 12 PPG in the Finals and that was his only other relevant teammate. Let me know when Garnett carries a team single handily in the Finals averaging over 40 PPG over a 4 game stretch with an awful and inferior cast. Don't worry bro, his career isn't over yet, it could still happen.

Wade is a shaft. KG is a shaft rider. One guy can win you titles, and another can only win you titles with 3 other all-stars on a team in which he is a second fiddle.

Next.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with [I][B]TRASH[/B][/I] teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmp3HpAGgM"]You used the same argument to prop up Wade as I used to defend KG[/URL]. Honestly, without a solid teammate (Shaq or Bron), Wade does not have a playoff record all that impressive. Hell, he missed the playoffs in his prime too, the year before 08. Does that mean he's garbage? No. Oh, and don't give me the injury garbage. He was 10 - 41 in W-L when he played.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his [B]prime[/B]!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.[/QUOTE]
He advanced in '04 beyond the first round, and his best teammate was Cassell. He was good, but come on he wasn't elite. His '04 Wolves had a better record than Wade's team did in '09, and Wade had better teammates.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Next.[/QUOTE]
AlphaWolf is that you?

Karl Malone

The Almighty Dirkrules, the 2nd GOAT PF.

MiamiThrice, if you think Dirk is better than KG I won't argue there. You could make a case for either. But to say Garnett was a terrible first option is just absurd.

[QUOTE=Freedom Kid7][QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmp3HpAGgM"]You used the same argument to prop up Wade as I used to defend KG[/URL]. Honestly, without a solid teammate (Shaq or Bron), Wade does not have a playoff record all that impressive. Hell, he missed the playoffs in his prime too, the year before 08. Does that mean he's garbage? No. Oh, and don't give me the injury garbage. He was 10 - 41 in W-L when he played.


He advanced in '04 beyond the first round, and his best teammate was Cassell. He was good, but come on he wasn't elite. His '04 Wolves had a better record than Wade's team did in '09, and Wade had worse teammates.


AlphaWolf is that you?[/QUOTE]

-Wade made the playoffs in 09 with atrash cast.
-KG missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row. He was healthy every year.

In the NBA more than half the ****ing teams make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means, but for one of the games all-time greatest? In his prime? Making the playoffs should be guaranteed, regardless of teammates. Injuries are the only excuse.

LOL the 08 Heat? Yeah bro Wade missing half the year with a dislocated shoulder and playing the other half with the same injury. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It just showed how awful the Heat were without relying on Wade playing at an optimal level. They had the worst record in the league, but were back in the playoffs the very next year even with a bust draft pick(Beasley)

04 Wolves cast or the 09 Heatcast? Nice comparison. Is this a joke? LMFAO! :roll: :roll:

One cast has Cassell and Sprewell, two all-stars playing at a high level. The other has......Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers? After that comparison it is apparent you do not understand the game or it's history. You are not worthy to be discussing matters with the horsecocks such as myself.

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[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]

-Wade made the playoffs in 09 with atrash cast.
-KG missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row. He was healthy every year.

In the NBA more than half the ****ing teams make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means, but for one of the games all-time greatest? In his prime? Making the playoffs should be guaranteed, regardless of teammates. Injuries are the only excuse.

LOL the 08 Heat? Yeah bro Wade missing half the year with a dislocated shoulder and playing the other half with the same injury. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It just showed how awful the Heat were without relying on Wade playing at an optimal level.

04 Wolves cast or the 09 Heatcast? Nice comparison. Is this a joke? LMFAO! :roll: :roll:

One cast has Cassell and Sprewell, two all-stars playing at a high level. The other has......Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers? After that comparison it is apparent you do not understand the game or it's history. You are not worthy to be discussing matters with the horsecocks such as myself.

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Just viewed Freedom Kids profile and it says he is 17 years old born in 1995. No wonder this idiot thought the 04 Wolves were a worse cast than the 09 Heat. He didn't even have pubes at the time. No way anyone watching basketball at the time would say such shit.

Karl Malone, David Robinson and Charles Barkley were all better than Lebrick James and should be rank higher than him.. Its fckng joke that Lebrick was at 11.. :facepalm

Vote for Karl Malone

[QUOTE=KOBE143]Karl Malone, David Robinson and Charles Barkley were all better than Lebrick James and should be rank higher than him.. Its fckng joke that Lebrick was at 11.. :facepalm

Vote for Karl Malone[/QUOTE]

I agree that LeBron's too high, I thought you said you were 14 though bro?

I guess you watched them play on YouTube (I watched a bunch of older series too, only started watching in 92)

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]Robinson has 2 rings, not 1.

Also, again, All Star MVP and Player of the Month really doesn't need to be included here, as we've debated already in the past. I'd also take out PER rating.

The numbers and other achievements speak for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Yea sorry, a typo.

Once again, i merely added as much as possible there is about NBA awards and stats, feel free to use and not use anything accordingly.

Kg would be at a glance the 6th player on this list to miss the playoffs in his prime. And he missed it winning 44 games the first time. The 3 seed that same year in the east won 45.

Like 4 people in this top 10 led worse teams than hes missed the playoffs with. Quite likely that given the same situation many times the same record results many times. Guys in discussion for this spot made the playoffs with 30 wins. Hell Elgin Baylor made it going 25-50. Oscar Robertson was sub.500 like 5 times in his prime. Jordan led a sub.500 team when he was probably as good as all but 4-5 people had ever been.

Shitty enough situation you wont win. Stay in that situation multiple years...you wont win for multiple years. Kareem didnt. Jordan didnt. Oscar didnt. Wilt didnt when he briefly had a garbage roster.

Make the playoffs or not....plenty of players led teams roughly on the level of KGs bad minnesota teams. Some of them already on this list. There are guys on this list who made the playoffs with 36 win teams. And 30. And 34. Pretty soon we will be able to say two of these guys combined to win 36 games one season in their primes.

But people only find it worth bringing up when its Kevin Garnett riding with Trenton Hassell and Troy Hudson.......

MiamiThrice, if you truly think the failure of the Twolves falls solely on KG and not the front office of the Timberwolves, then you are more blind and horrid of a poster than previously thought.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Kg would be at a glance the 6th player on this list to miss the playoffs in his prime. And he missed it winning 44 games the first time. The 3 seed that same year in the east won 45.

Like 4 people in this top 10 led worse teams than hes missed the playoffs with. Quite likely that given the same situation many times the same record results many times. Guys in discussion for this spot made the playoffs with 30 wins. Hell Elgin Baylor made it going 25-50. Oscar Robertson was sub.500 like 5 times in his prime. Jordan led a sub.500 team when he was probably as good as all but 4-5 people had ever been.

Shitty enough situation you wont win. Stay in that situation multiple years...you wont win for multiple years. Kareem didnt. Jordan didnt. Oscar didnt. Wilt didnt when he briefly had a garbage roster.

Make the playoffs or not....plenty of players led teams roughly on the level of KGs bad minnesota teams. Some of them already on this list. There are guys on this list who made the playoffs with 36 win teams. And 30. And 34. Pretty soon we will be able to say two of these guys combined to win 36 games one season in their primes.

But people only find it worth bringing up when its Kevin Garnett riding with Trenton Hassell and Troy Hudson.......[/QUOTE]

Not one player of the 15 listed so far were more synonymous with Irrelevancy than KG was in his prime with Minnesota. And I'm thinking it will be a while before we see a guy that has on this list.

Wilt,Oscar,Jordan. You can bring these guys up all you want. I'm not a big Oscar guy, but admittedly thats because I don't know much about him. What it comes down to is results and none of these guys ever had their teams as irrelevant for as long a time as KG did in Minnesota. They may have had a down year whether it to be injuries or what not, but in KGs case when it's over a decades worth of disappointment and failure? You have to eventually stop finding excuses and realize that guy just can't carry a team the way the greats of the greats can.

Elgin Baylor

David Robinson

:facepalm at KG getting the nod over him just because he won DPOY..

Some facts about the admiral

had a 71 point game (last game of the season, got him the scoring title)
1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a [B]quadruple-double[/B]
2 time NBA champion
part of the original dream team

[B]Prime Barkley was Actually a Top 10 Player...Even Broken Down Stats Suggest That...But Well..Where in ISH and Too Many 20 Year Olds Get To Vote and Never Saw Not Just Barkley.... but Malone or David Robinson Play.

Charles Barkley Career Play-Off Stats. 23 PPG (51% FG), 12.9 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.6 SPG and 0.9 BPG[/B]

[QUOTE=BlueandGold]David Robinson

:facepalm at KG getting the nod over him just because he won DPOY..

Some facts about the admiral

had a 71 point game (last game of the season, got him the scoring title)
1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a [B]quadruple-double[/B]
2 time NBA champion
part of the original dream team[/QUOTE]

didn't both win DPOY?

barkley

[QUOTE=fpliii]didn't both win DPOY?[/QUOTE]

People that didn't actually watch the NBA back in the early to mid 90s wouldn't know or remember that though.

Having glanced through this a bit you dont strike me as someone likely to have a reasonable conversation on this issue. And you remind me of someone else who likely just made a new account. The list of people who could witness KG average 24/15/5 and drop 30+ 20+ with every single field goal his team made in the 4th in game seven vs the Kings riding the coat tails of his sidekicks....is not long. If its two people im shocked.

Either way...as I said,,...,.you dont strike me as the type anything positive comes from.

Carry on until you go from merely uninformed and hating(acceptable..but bothersome) to uninformed and starting shit that has to go. I will pop back up around then to let you know. Staying at current level you will never hear from or be spoken to by me again.

Feel free to respond with an emoticon and as many as 3 over the top insults as long as at least one is amusing.

[QUOTE]1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a [B]quadruple-double[/B][/QUOTE]

Look into that.

My only question for MiamiThrice is, whose sock puppet account are you?

You're clearly a troll account, though you can't even troll properly, as most people just stop engaging with you altogether, as displayed in the last 2 pages of this thread.

Your posts make Kennethgriffin seem like Socrates.

#16 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

15- Kevin Garnett
13- Karl Malone
8- Charles Barkley
7- Elgin Baylor
5- Dirk Nowitzki
5- Isiah Thomas
2- David Robinson
2- George Mikan
2- Scottie Pippen
1- John Havlicek
1- Bob Pettit

Waiting on an explanation on how Karl Malone is greater than Elgin Baylor?

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Waiting on an explanation on how Karl Malone is greater than Elgin Baylor?[/QUOTE]
More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists

Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.

Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.

Kevin Garnett

Kevin Garnett, the beast

[IMG]http://bostoncelticswallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Kevin-Garnett-9.jpg[/IMG]

Dirk Nowitzki

[quote=Deuce Bigalow]More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists

Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.

Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.[/quote]

Terrible post. Educate yourself.
I despise Bill Simmons but he knows more about Elgin than you at least.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008"]http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008[/URL]

Baylor is an all time great and a better NBA player than Dr J.

[B]Elgin Baylor[/B].