John Havlicek.
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John Havlicek.
[QUOTE=DTreats]Isaiah Thomas[/QUOTE]
this has gone on for too long now. isiah thomas is his name.
Dirk Nowitzki
NBA champion (2x finals appearance)
Finals MVP
MVP
Led the Mavs to 11 straight 50+ win seasons and led some of the shittiest line-ups to the western conf and finals.
Dirk Nowitzki.
Barkley should not be getting ranked in front of Karl Malone, George Mikan, Baylor, or Cousy.
I'll vote Baylor.
[QUOTE=oolalaa]It's way too late for this now, but you (Deuce) should have mandated that each voter give at least a couple of paragraphs of reasoning for their choice. That'll bring back the intelligent/thoughtful posters and cutail the ignorant and/or trolls. The mods should then sticky it so that we all can bask in the collective wisdom of ISH :D
Again, too late now. Maybe next year.[/QUOTE]
Honestly...we should just start over and do that haha.
[QUOTE=Round Mound]:applause: [B]Sadly We are Few that Saw Barkley Play When Healthy and Prime
Charles Barkley was the Master of the Inside the 3-Point Line Game.
The Best Mid Range and Post Game Among All PFs and Never a Ball Hogg Like Many Others:
21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 58.13%
22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 55.13%
[/B][/QUOTE]
Career from 3P: 538/2020
You can't just ignore that. It's not like he only shot a few hundred threes and shot a low percentage. He shot more than 2000 of the damn things and missed almost 1,500 of them. From '86-'87 through '96-'97 he attempted 1,804 per game, which comes out to 164 per season, and 2.3 3PA per game. He was shooting them too frequently in his prime and at his peak to just completely ignore it.
[QUOTE=KG215]Career from 3P: 538/2020
You can't just ignore that. It's not like he only shot a few hundred threes and shot a low percentage. He shot more than 2000 of the damn things and missed almost 1,500 of them. From '86-'87 through '96-'97 he attempted 1,804 per game, which comes out to 164 per season, and 2.3 3PA per game. He was shooting them too frequently in his prime and at his peak to just completely ignore it.[/QUOTE]
[B]Still doesn`t Change the Fact that Barkley was the Best Pure Scoring PF at Over 20 PPG on LESS ATTEMPTS than Malone, Garnett or Duncan.
No Other PF Dominated [U]Inside The 3-Point Line; Mid Range and Post Region [/U] More than Barkley.
Only PF that Ranks Close In Those Terms was Kevin McHale...Although Benefited from Bird`s Double Teaming and Passing Alot.[/B]
#17 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting
12- Karl Malone
10- Charles Barkley
9- Elgin Baylor
7- Dirk Nowitzki
6- Isiah Thomas
2- Scottie Pippen
1- David Robinson
1- Rick Barry
1- John Havlicek
John Havlicek is being seriously underrated here.
[B]All-Star Games[/B]
1966 NBA
1967 NBA
1968 NBA
1969 NBA
1970 NBA
1971 NBA
1972 NBA
1973 NBA
1974 NBA
1975 NBA
1976 NBA
1977 NBA
1978 NBA
[B]Honors[/B]
1960-61 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1961-62 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1962-63 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1965-66 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1968-69 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1969-70 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1969-70 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1970-71 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1970-71 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1971-72 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1971-72 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1972-73 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1972-73 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1973-74 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1973-74 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1974-75 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1974-75 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1975-76 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1975-76 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
[B]Championships[/B]
1963 Boston Celtics
1964 Boston Celtics
1965 Boston Celtics
1966 Boston Celtics
1968 Boston Celtics
1969 Boston Celtics
1974 Boston Celtics
1976 Boston Celtics
[B]Awards[/B]
1973-74 NBA Finals MVP
12th all-time in scoring
9th all-time in minutes
63rd all-time in rebounds
28th all-time in assists
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Current Results
12- Karl Malone
9- Charles Barkley
8- Elgin Baylor
7- Dirk Nowitzki
6- Isiah Thomas
2- Scottie Pippen
1- David Robinson
1- Rick Barry
1- John Havlicek[/QUOTE]
[B]This is Why ISH Is Laughable and Sad :facepalm :rolleyes: ...Too Many Kiddos Like Longevity [I]Over Dominance, Efficiency and Impact[/I]. :wtf:
No Other PF Dominated the Mid Range and Post Region More Than Barkley While Being the Most Doubled Player Since Shaq. That, While Recieving More Defensive Rotations and Destroying Zone Defense than Any Other Player Ever
Malone as a "Better Scorer" Is LAUGHABLE (especially in the Play-Offs). He Shot More That is Why He Scored More. He Was Never as Efficient as Barkley was Inside the 3-Point Line...Even as He Got Older. Never, Ever.
[COLOR="DarkRed"][U]Season[/U][/COLOR]
Barkley shot [COLOR="Blue"]58.13%[/COLOR] Two-Point FG at 21.6 PPG on [COLOR="blue"]12.9...Two Point FGAs Pg [/COLOR](Season)
Malone shot [COLOR="Red"]51.9%[/COLOR] Two-Point FG FG at 24.7 PPG on [COLOR="red"]17.5...Two-Point FGAs PG PG [/COLOR](Season)
[U][COLOR="DarkRed"]Play-Offs: "Malone Shot Over 50% For Only 3 Play-Off Runs":[/COLOR][/U]
Barkley shot [COLOR="Blue"]55.13%[/COLOR] FG at 22.5 PPG on [COLOR="Blue"]14.5 ...Two-Point FGAs PG [/COLOR](Play-Offs)
Malone shot [COLOR="Red"]46.6%[/COLOR] Two-Point FG at 24.6 PPG on [COLOR="red"]19.3...Two-Point FGAs PG[/COLOR] (Play-Offs)
Barkley was a Way Superior Scorer [/B]
we're not comparing peaks.. but careers
[QUOTE=kurple]we're not comparing peaks.. but careers[/QUOTE]
[B]Those Stats Have Nothing to Do With Peaks but Actually Whole Careers In Terms of Mid Range and Post Range Scoring.[/B]
cool. but basketball isnt all about mid-range and post scoring stats
[QUOTE=kurple]cool. but basketball isnt all about mid-range and post scoring stats[/QUOTE]
[B]True..There is Alot More Things...In Which Barkley Was Better than Malone at Most and Impacting the Game:
-Scoring With High Efficiency
-Recieving More Double Teams and Defensive Rotations
-Being Called the Zone Buster
-Needing Rule Change (5 Second Back to the Basket Rule-Anti Barkley)
-Game Creating and Passing
-Rebounding
-Floor D and Help D: Barkley the Superior Stealer and Shot Blocker.
-Having Big Games in the Play-Offs.
-Being Clutcher
etc
Only Things Malone has Over Barkley was FT Shooting and Man to Man Defense (But he was No Garnett or Duncan)
Barkley Was Better at More Things Than Malone Was Better Than Barkley At.[/B]
Karl Malone NEEDED John Stockton. I forget the number but the assisted basket percentage of Malone's shots was remarkably high. Not to mention his epic level of choking.....
for me it comes down to Barkley, Hondo and Baylor.
I'll vote for Baylor.
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]True..There is Alot More Things...In Which Barkley Was Better than Malone at Most and Impacting the Game:
-Scoring With High Efficiency
-Recieving More Double Teams and Defensive Rotations
-Being Called the Zone Buster
-Needing Rule Change (5 Second Back to the Basket Rule-Anti Barkley)
-Game Creating and Passing
-Rebounding
-Floor D and Help D: Barkley the Superior Stealer and Shot Blocker.
-Having Big Games in the Play-Offs.
-Being Clutcher
etc
Only Things Malone has Over Barkley was FT Shooting and Man to Man Defense (But he was No Garnett or Duncan)
Barkley Was Better at More Things Than Malone Was Better Than Barkley At.[/B][/QUOTE]
I don't agree with Barkley being top 10, but respect your research/knowledge of this stuff. :cheers:
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]I don't agree with Barkley being top 10, but respect your research/knowledge of this stuff. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
[B]Stat Wise Barkley is a Top 10 All Time. And I Don`t Mean Raw Stats but Broken Down Stats or Analysis Stats...Which Acredit For Not What He Wan`t or Like But What Really Happened. Remember, Not What We Like
See Barkley Was Top 10 All Time in
EFF
PER
+/-
WS Per 48 Minutes
Shot Made/Missed Diferential etc
Infact Only Michael Jordan and Barkley are All Top 10 In All Those Broken Down Stats. That Says Alot About Barkley`s Level When Healthy and Prime
:cheers: [/B]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Stat Wise Barkley is a Top 10 All Time. And I Don`t Mean Raw Stats but Broken Down Stats or Analysis Stats...Which Acredit For Not What He Wan`t or Like But What Really Happened. Remember, Not What We Like
See Barkley Was Top 10 All Time in
EFF
PER
+/-
WS Per 48 Minutes
Shot Made/Missed Diferential etc
Infact Only Michael Jordan and Barkley are All Top 10 In All Those Broken Down Stats. That Says Alot About Barkley`s Level When Healthy and Prime
:cheers: [/B][/QUOTE]
That definitely helps his case more. For the record, I don't hold it against for not having a ring. I just thought his prime was short than a lot of the guys on the top 10.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]That definitely helps his case more. For the record, I don't hold it against for not having a ring. I just thought his prime was short than a lot of the guys on the top 10.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well Stats Don
Charles Barkley