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Isn't kblaze the guy who hates on Karl Malone because he didn't get it done in the playoffs. And the fact is Karl Malone was A BETTER PLAYOFF PERFORMER than David Robinson, and it ain't even close.
Robinson is one of the worst playoff performers ever compared to how well he played in the regular season. Thats why he isn't Top 20
amen
Kblaze is the type to praise Drob for 2 titles even though he couldn't even get close without Duncan and then turn around and say the only reason LeBron won is because Wade and Bosh.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]What about in the Playoffs?[/QUOTE]
What about it? Robinson was just better. They were both about 25 ppg scorers in the playoffs in their primes. Dirk might've have been a bit more efficient. But what about everything else? Dirk was a similar rebounder, but realistically not a single other thing was really close. Dirk was a great player, probably a bit below top 5 for about 5 years, but holy hell do people give him way to much credit for his scoring, which is really the only thing that he was truly elite at. Comparing him to Robinson, who was one of the best scorers, defenders, rebounders, and passers at his position is just stupid. It's not even a remotely reasonable position, and it's really just proof that people look way to much at one side of the game because it's the most easily visible.
George Mikan
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Oh and player of the months? Saying someone has the most ever? When they started in the early 80s and at the time only one was given out per month not one for each conference?
And you have guysl ike Kelvin Ransley, Freeman williams, and so on winning over Moses malone, Bird, Magic, and Kareem? And Jordan in a 67 win season doing disgusting numbers loses out to Hornacek, Rodman, Detlef, and Glen Rice so on? Mike puts up 39/5/5 one month on a 50 win team and loses to Fat Lever for player of the month? shaq puts up 36/13 and loses to Payton? Juwan Howard, Eddie Jones, and Cedric Ceballos winning over Jordan, Drob, Hakeem, Shaq, and company?
Its fairly clear here that this isnt or at least wasnt a "Best player" thing.
It is better than all star game MVP though........[/QUOTE]
I agree (especially with those last words), but its probably best to just leave out POTM completely due to the difference of how and when it was handed out throughout the NBA eras. Would like to say the same about FMVP & DPOY aswell (when comparing players to Bill Russell for example).
[QUOTE=Colbertnation64]Here's Mikan dominating a black man
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo[/url]
Robinson, Isiah > Mikan
Drob
[QUOTE=BlueandGold]Dirk over Drob? Lebron over Moses, West, Oscar and Dr. J already?
:facepalm thread fail since #11[/QUOTE]
It fails really hard since 8.
My vote is for Robinson.
[QUOTE]Kblaze is the type to praise Drob for 2 titles even though he couldn't even get close without Duncan and then turn around and say the only reason LeBron won is because Wade and Bosh.[/QUOTE]
It really amazes me sometimes how different people think my opinions are. There are people here who think I delete all anti Lebron opinions and people who think I hate him too.
And like 90% of the people ive known a long time think I hate david robinson because of my reaction to them losing back in the day.
I dont even like David robinson. I dont believe he actually liked basketball much.
Doesnt mean he wouldnt likely be considered the best player in the league these days.
[QUOTE=chips93][IMG]http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Detroit%20Pistons/Isiah%20Thomas/GIFs/isiahthomascrazyshot08.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
John Battle (#12 on the hawks) ??????
[IMG]http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/dwade_mvp380.jpg[/IMG]
[B]Dwyane Wade[/B] with the best playoff series in NBA History winning his team a title.
-Averaged 40 PPG in the wins
-Awful supporting cast compared to other title winners
-Team was underdogs
-30-5-8-2-2 on 49/32/77 in his prime.
This guy had the most impressive series in NBA History, led his team to a titlee single-handily, and won another title as a 2nd option, all with some All NBA teams. It is his time.
#23 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting
15- George Mikan
12- Isiah Thomas
7- David Robinson
1- Scottie Pippen
1- Dwyane Wade
I'm going to go with David Robinson here at 23.
Honestly I don't know where Mikan fits in, his career accomplishments are outstanding but it's quite obvious his game and abilities would not have translated across the eras like many all-time greats. I guess you only go with stats and dominance relative to peers.
Very good posts regarding Mikan KBlaze, I will take a slight exception with the assertion that it's top five or bust for Big George.
For me it's top 15 or higher. I personally couldn't take him out of my top eleven right now.
Once you reach the level those eleven guys did (at one point considered unquestionably the best player in the World) and back it up like they did (By winning multiple titles as their teams best player) I think using things like titles or MVP's to differentiate is unsatisfying.
For me, acknowledging that Mikan was for his era what Wilt, Kareem & Shaq were subsequently for theirs is to give the ranking credence. At that point I don't punish Mikan because he achieved the things he did in a less competitive era for both big men and superstars, but rather reward players like Russell for getting the best of Wilt so often and elevating Jordan because of his amazing dominance from the back court despite the presence of so many superstar centers and forwards from the same basic era. Magic, Kareem and Bird get a bump from having played against each other for so many seasons and to have still racked up so many accolades. Likewise for the modern trio of Shaq/Duncan/Kobe.
Anyway I want to second your overall point of view and how much of a cop out it is to just arbitrarily assign Mikan a spot somewhere between how good he was then and how good you suspect he might be today.
[QUOTE=MiamiThrice][IMG]http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/dwade_mvp380.jpg[/IMG]
[B]Dwyane Wade[/B] with the best playoff series in NBA History winning his team a title.
-Averaged 40 PPG in the wins
-Awful supporting cast compared to other title winners
-Team was underdogs
-30-5-8-2-2 on 49/32/77 in his prime.
This guy had the most impressive series in NBA History, led his team to a titlee single-handily, and won another title as a 2nd option, all with some All NBA teams. It is his time.[/QUOTE]
Get the f*ck out of here with that sh*t.
Isiah FTW!!!!
Can't believe Dirk lasted until 22. People just don't understand the game.
Top 20 easily.
Really dont think being a Mavs fan for 30 years skews your opinion on that?
Im often amazed at how everyone but the fanbase of the person talking underrates the favorite player of that fanbase....and those fans dont notice that they are doing the exact same thing the fans of other players are doing....and being called idiots for it.