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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]If he's such a great defender, why did Mchale have to guard the better scoring forward regardless of position? That's because the coach feels he's a bad defender.[/QUOTE]
Bet you've never saw a Celtics game from back then and you're just talking out your a**.
First of all McHale guarded the better scoring forward since 1986 when he got into the starting lineup, and this was not all the time. Reason?
First of all they wanted to spare their main offensive weapon. Harper guarded the best scoring guard many times, does that make Jordan a bad defender? Or when Pip was switched off to Magic, does that make Jordan a bad defender? Or when Battier was guarding Durant instead of LeBron? Does that make LeBron a bad defender?
Bird already had back issues.
And did you read my post
[QUOTE]Not at all. Bird had tremendous defensive impact, his team's success (college, NBA) wasn't just because of his amazing offense.
What give LeBron the edge defensively if his athleticism, Bird was one of the GOAT team defenders, good post defender could hold his own m2m on the perimeter [B]but his lateral quickness was average, he couldn't shut guys down on the perimeter.[/B]
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Defense is not always about shutting guys down on the perimeter though. McHale was put on some guys because he had great length to bother them and such.
Plus it was better for the Celtics to have Bird roaming around playing great team D.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]He would be the third best SF right now .[/QUOTE]
:lol great joke
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT]:lol great joke[/QUOTE]
I am not joking in the slightest. I'm sure some people feel differently and would rank him above Durant which I can understand but that's where I draw the line.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I am not joking in the slightest. I'm sure some people feel differently and would rank him above Durant which I can understand but that's where I draw the line.[/QUOTE]
And you said you don't have a bias against older players.
:oldlol:
It leaks through in every one of your posts. Larry Bird is better than Durant, easily.
Shut your young, dumb ass up.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=Money 23]And you said you don't have a bias against older players.
:oldlol:
It leaks through in every one of your posts. Larry Bird is better than Durant, easily.
Shut your young, dumb ass up.[/QUOTE]
Why is it when people have a difference in opinion, they must have a bias? And even if he does have a bias so what?!!
As fans, we all have a bias. I guarantee you are gonna maake multiple posts in a thread asking who's better between Iguodal and Johnson. And that's not bad. You just probably don't really care.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT]Bet you've never saw a Celtics game from back then and you're just talking out your a**.
First of all McHale guarded the better scoring forward since 1986 when he got into the starting lineup, and this was not all the time. Reason?
First of all they wanted to spare their main offensive weapon. Harper guarded the best scoring guard many times, does that make Jordan a bad defender? Or when Pip was switched off to Magic, does that make Jordan a bad defender? Or when Battier was guarding Durant instead of LeBron? Does that make LeBron a bad defender?
Bird already had back issues.
And did you read my post
Defense is not always about shutting guys down on the perimeter though. McHale was put on some guys because he had great length to bother them and such.
Plus it was better for the Celtics to have Bird roaming around playing great team D.[/QUOTE]
Bird was a terrible man defender. Deal with it.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Bird was a terrible man defender. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
LOL terrible..
You know nothing about basketball and still think you know, plus you're a major hater, deal with.
Plus Bird overall sh*ts all over your beloved Pippen (and Pip's one of my favorite players all time)
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I am not joking in the slightest. I'm sure some people feel differently and would rank him above Durant which I can understand but that's where I draw the line.[/QUOTE]
Please... If you really think that you must be delusional, many great scoring SF's in the 80's and Bird was always clearly head n shoulders above all of them
Bird would be #1 right now. Strong case for LeBron right there with him, for Durant not in a million years.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT]So in great scoring centers era, center defense was weak, in great scoring guards era (today), guard defense is weak? Please don't give me that. Just because you had great scoring SF's with great skill in the 80's that doesn't mean defense was weak against SF's lol.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT]I know they have, all I was saying is that a guy like English had more because of the style of the Nuggets play[/QUOTE]
This myth really pisses me off. There is NO superstar, in the history of the league, that took as much beating on the floor as English did. In many cases the only way to make the guy miss a jumper was the slam him right across the arm, which many defenders did and often times got away with. Trying to throw him off the pace by hitting him hard early in the game was a commonly employed defensive tactic against him. Against mild defense he was an almost certain 30-40 ppg. He was just that good.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]If he's such a great defender, why did Mchale have to guard the better scoring forward regardless of position? That's because the coach feels he's a bad defender.[/QUOTE]
Oh no.
You watch the NBA now. LeBron James don't always guard Kobe or Durant. They send Battier on him. Sometimes Wade. They switch it up. Same with Kobe.
With Bird, they:
1. To save Bird's energy for the offense.
2. Mchale was the better defender. And his length made a difference as well.
3. They switch it up sometimes.
Bird was a underrated defender. He was a good post defender, good help defender, and he was an ok man to man defender. He wasn't terrible or bad. That's a myth. But he wasn't the best defender in the game and he wasn't the best defender on team imo.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
I didn't read through the thread but Larry would have no problem playing in today's era. He would probably score 10 a game from the free throw line alone. The guy was one of the best all around players EVER. This is coming from somebody who grew up watching the showtime Lakers. Larry was ridiculous, vision and rebounding and overall basketball instincts were incredible. he was a real basketball player.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[quote=SHAQisGOAT]Also found this
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIKH2fb_PxA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIKH2fb_PxA[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TxC_k9Bv0&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TxC_k9Bv0&feature=relmfu[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn8qTjVED5w&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn8qTjVED5w&feature=relmfu[/URL]
Still gotta watch it completely[/quote]
Thanks for the links. :applause:
Jesus he was so good. Its easy to forget.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
Larry Bird would be at least in all star in any era and anyone who disagrees is kidding themselves or not familiar with his game.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]I don't get the Dirk comparison.
[B]Dirk is much taller and a more accurate shooter, which makes him a more dangerous overall scorer.[/B]
Bird is decisively better in most of the other aspects of the game. He's an all-around player.
They're different enough that you can't infer from one's dominance in this era that the other would succeed as well.
I do think Larry Bird would absolutely kick ass in this era, but it has nothing to do with Dirk. Just with the fact that he's Larry Bird.[/QUOTE]
We don't know that or we can't prove it because we don't really have the stats to back it up. With Dirk, we do. Now we basically can look to see how well he shot anywhere on the floor for almost his entire career.
We do know that Bird posted up more in his career though. And since Bird had a higher FG% normally than Dirk, I think it's more likely he was either a better finisher or took better shots. Not to mention Bird usually shoot more than Dirk, and still had a better FG%. If you watch the games, it was a mixture of both. Around the 10-15 ft range, Bird was a killer with the post fadeaways.
If you look at Dirk's stats though, he is a killer almost everywhere on the floor. He isn't as good in the 3-9ft though.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
Kevin Love is a poor man's Larry Bird. he's tearing it up. Chandler Parsons right now reminds me of a very poor version of Larry as well. if Parsons is doing this well, Larry Legend would tear up this soft league.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
You see the corpse of Andre Miller owning people left and right, thanks to solid fundamentals and great footwork and yet Larry Bird wouldn't dominate.
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
Larry Bird was getting hated on while he played. Unathletic, can't run, can't jump, can't defend, oh and he's white. and you know what he did? Dominate
don't care what era, what date, what size shorts. The guy is going to murk. He has what 99.9999% of the NBA doesn't; heart, guts and intelligence
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]Larry Bird was getting hated on while he played. Unathletic, can't run, can't jump, can't defend, oh and he's white. and you know what he did? Dominate
don't care what era, what date, what size shorts. The guy is going to murk. He has what 99.9999% of the NBA doesn't; heart, guts and intelligence[/QUOTE]
To me they all have that stuff.... he had MORE
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Re: Do some people really think Larry Bird couldn't dominate like he did, in this era?
All this theory talk is fine and dandy as long as people don't make it out to be fact. Could he dominate? Yes. Is it guaranteed? No. The point is he is a legend of that era. You can't really take him out and prove with any kind of statistics that he would do well or worse in any other era