Chris Paul is starting to test my patience

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Okay so.... you guys know I've defended him to a fault. Even prior to him being on the Clippers I loved his game and defended him from people underrating him. That being said what we've seen from him this season is completely unacceptable.

Chris Paul should be BETTER this year with more weapons around him and an offseason with the team. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. Blake has his own problems but in Blake's defense he's barely starting his third season and hasn't had good coaching or big men mentors.

I know Blake is still inexperienced and raw. Chris on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. In his 7th season now, extremely cerebral and intelligent player yet continues to make poor decisions. Somehow came into the season out of shape despite being in impeccable shape just a month or two earlier.

I never thought I'd mention low IQ in a sentence with CP3 but the last few games he's made multiple low IQ plays that had me yelling at the TV "WTF are you doing!?".

Every player is allowed to have bad games but to have relatively low impact in 12 games now? I feel like Bledsoe has a larger positive impact on the team 75 percent of this season so far. Superstars and top 5 players shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Lazy defense, more turnovers than usual, poor shooting compared to last year, looks slow as sh** on offense and can't hit shots. I feel like his idea of creating shots this year is bowling into players and getting called for a charge.[/QUOTE]

first of all cp3 is in his 8th season.lol

second of all why u worried about the regular season.....imo cp3 has never been a regular season kinda guy but if u look at every time he has made the playoffs he has looked like isiah thomas.

i can remember two years ago when he went up against the lakers in the first round and he literally put the hornets on his back and made it a six game series.

clippersfan look man stop b.i.t.c.h.i.n. cp3 will be fine

This is one of my biggest criticisms with Chris Paul. That's why I pay no attention to the stats nerds that say Chris Paul is the best PG in the league and top 5 of all time blah blah blah. He has that ability to kick his game into another gear but doesn't consistently do it. It seems he'd rather protect his percentages. I'd rather have Chris Paul average 20 and 10 on 45% shooting than 15 and 10 on over 50%

Clipper fans are so spoiled. Did you forget that you were a 32 win team prior to Paul's arrival? What's with the sense of entitlement? CP3 has turned the Clippers into a contending team and you're worried about a couple of regular season losses?

CP3's method is tried and true. It's proven to be a successful recipe and he has done year after year with the Hornets with much less. Losing a couple of measly games in the regular season and you're already calling for his heads with pitchforks. Unbelievable.

He's not going to look to press or burn himself out early in the season. He's running a marathon not a sprint. He's on cruise control until February when playoff seeding begins.

If you knew anything about Paul, He'd take an assist over a bucket 10 out of 10 times. If you ever watched him on the Hornets, he would defer in the final minutes as much as he would take over and shoot himself. David West knows this all too well and has always benefited from it.

Don't expect him to hog all the shots in the final minutes as that's never been his M.O. and will never do it consistently. Don't expect it to change. He'll throw you a bone or two when the match up calls for him to attack but don't expect to see it consistently until the games have meaning.

like i said clips are a second round at best just like last year.they got nothing outside paul.maybe crawford but thats it

He has been off at times but still shows his brillance most of the times.

This road trip was bad for him. He just needs to shoot the ball when he has that open look rather than always pass it out.

[QUOTE=supe12sta12z]Clipper fans are so spoiled.[/QUOTE]

Spoiled by what? A few decades of mediocrity?

CPIII is the LeBron of PGs.

Dude has not been the same since the day he got sonned by that caveman.

Can't believe clipper fans are whining about Chris Paul.

FFS guys, Chris Paul is like top 3 PG in the league right now, and you guys are complaining.....

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]This is one of my biggest criticisms with Chris Paul. That's why I pay no attention to the stats nerds that say Chris Paul is the best PG in the league and top 5 of all time blah blah blah. He has that ability to kick his game into another gear but doesn't consistently do it. It seems he'd rather protect his percentages. I'd rather have Chris Paul average 20 and 10 on 45% shooting than 15 and 10 on over 50%[/QUOTE]

This is a clown comment bro. Chris Paul cares about stats and percentages?? Paul is perhaps the most selfless superstar in the league. All he cares about is winning. If he doesn't "kick his game into another gear" on a regular basis it's because 1. He's resting his knees or 2. It's the REGULAR SEASON or 3. Both.

He IS the best point guard in the league, and, as long as his knees hold up for the remainder of his career (Perhaps unlikely), he'll go down as the 3rd/4th greatest point guard of all time....right there with Isiah.

People saying I'm entitled or spoiled need to understand that it's only because last year right out of the gate CP3 was dominant. Even in his bad games his impact was huge. This year he just looks so average at times... where he can't do ANYTHING right. His impact is significantly less despite most of his games being good statistically.

Last year literally 9 out of 10 times down the stretch CP3 took over games. This year he's been the main man responsible for meltdowns late in games. It's such a night and day difference, I can't help but be pissed about it. People keep saying he will get back to it.... but 13 games is enough to say somebody is struggling or not struggling. If he turns it around I'll go back to praising him but for right now I'm not happy.

He's our best player, was the clutchest player in the NBA last year and has always been a great closer. So seeing him choke time and time again worries me.

So what, are we going to act like Clips fans shouldnt recognize when their franchise player is playing like hot garbage?

[QUOTE=oh the horror]So what, are we going to act like Clips fans shouldnt recognize when their franchise player is playing like hot garbage?[/QUOTE]

We should just shut up and accept mediocrity apparently since we sucked for 30+ years anyways :rolleyes: .

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]People saying I'm entitled or spoiled need to understand that it's only because last year right out of the gate CP3 was dominant. Even in his bad games his impact was huge. This year he just looks so average at times... where he can't do ANYTHING right. His impact is significantly less despite most of his games being good statistically.

Last year literally 9 out of 10 times down the stretch CP3 took over games. This year he's been the main man responsible for meltdowns late in games. It's such a night and day difference, I can't help but be pissed about it. People keep saying he will get back to it.... but 13 games is enough to say somebody is struggling or not struggling. If he turns it around I'll go back to praising him but for right now I'm not happy.

He's our best player, was the clutchest player in the NBA last year and has always been a great closer. So seeing him choke time and time again worries me.[/QUOTE]
You're over exaggerating. CP3 took over the Cavs and Warriors games (even though they lost, he was involved in almost every play down the stretch), and hit a game saving shot vs. the Spurs. The only problem with Paul this season has been his passiveness/deferring to Griffin and Crawford too much. Besides that and his 3pt shooting, every other part of his game is either the same or better than it was last season so far.

[QUOTE=Young X]You're over exaggerating. CP3 took over the Cavs and Warriors games (even though they lost, he was involved in almost every play down the stretch), and hit a game saving shot vs. the Spurs. The only problem with Paul this season has been his passiveness/deferring to Griffin and Crawford too much. Besides that and his 3pt shooting, every other part of his game is either the same or better than it was last season so far.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? His defense has taken a huge step back this year. His shooting from the field is down 4 percent, shooting from 3 down 7 percent. The only things that have stayed the same are rebounding and assists, everything else is down. Besides I don't miss Clippers games and can definitively say his overall impact is way down.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]What are you talking about? His defense has taken a huge step back this year. His shooting from the field is down 4 percent, shooting from 3 down 7 percent. The only things that have stayed the same are rebounding and assists, everything else is down. Besides I don't miss Clippers games and can definitively say his overall impact is way down.[/QUOTE]

It hasn't really been a month yet. CP3 could bounce back. Star players do have not so stellar months. CP3 could have a stretch of games next month or in Jan or something. While there is no question that he hasn't been playing as well as last year so far, that doesn't mean he won't be effective. Look at his track record and look up the bad months he had in the past. Back then with the NOH he was better than he was on the Clippers too.

You shouldn't be worried about CP3 too much. He'll probably bounce back eventually and be one of the best, if not the best PG in the league I think clippers fans should worried about Griffin. I think the team won't get far unless Griffin gets better. He needs the ball in the 4th and needs to make a impact.

[QUOTE=Micku]It hasn't really been a month yet. CP3 could bounce back. Star players do have not so stellar months. CP3 could have a stretch of games next month or in Jan or something. While there is no question that he hasn't been playing as well as last year so far, that doesn't mean he won't be effective. Look at his track record and look up the bad months he had in the past. Back then with the NOH he was better than he was on the Clippers too.

You shouldn't be worried about CP3 too much. He'll probably bounce back eventually and be one of the best, if not the best PG in the league I think clippers fans should worried about Griffin. I think the team won't get far unless Griffin gets better. He needs the ball in the 4th and needs to make a impact.[/QUOTE]

Who do you think is responsible to get him the ball in the 4th? CP3. Coach is yelling at him to get Griffin the ball every game yet instead he's taking bad shots or deferring to Crawford and Butler. The team needs to get it through their heads that we don't have enough pure shooters to be a perimeter team. Our bread and butter should be Griffin. Griffin doesn't help the situation by passing so much but they need to feed right back to him and MAKE him have to score.

I agree every superstar gets to have a bad month here or there but this was supposed to be the year of no excuse for CP3. Mostly healthy, LOADED squad next to him, more time to mesh etc.

[QUOTE=Young X]Exactly.

First 13 games of '08: 17.6 pts, 10.3 asts, 4.4 rebs, 2.9 stls, 3.2 TO's on 47/31/89 shooting

First 13 games of '13: 15.8 pts, 9.6 asts, 3.7 rebs, 2.7 stls, 2.4 TO's on 45/31/88 shooting

'08 Hornets: 9-4
'13 Clippers: 8-5[/QUOTE]

Not sure why you deleted your post, but...

Context. Do these stats account for defense, effort, and overall play in 4th quarters? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Young X]Exactly.

First 13 games of '08: 17.6 pts, 10.3 asts, 4.4 rebs, 2.9 stls, 3.2 TO's on 47/31/89 shooting

First 13 games of '13: 15.8 pts, 9.6 asts, 3.7 rebs, 2.7 stls, 2.4 TO's on 45/31/88 shooting

'08 Hornets: 9-4
'13 Clippers: 8-5[/QUOTE]

I love the perspective this brings and much respect for including it. Stats line up well but was his impact also worse in 08 and was he a defensive liability? I'm not complaining about his stats because they are still good. I'm complaining about the uncharacteristic meltdowns down the stretch in games, his unwillingness to shoot wide open shots and his poor defense.

Also in 08 he was a younger, much more athletic and aggressive CP3 so I'm not sure he will bounce back as strong this time.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Not sure why you deleted your post, but...

[B]Context. Do these stats account for defense, effort, and overall play in 4th quarters? [/B]:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Repped. You posted this right before I got mine down :cheers: .

You guys are right about those stats not accounting for defense and effort, I just originally posted that to show that Paul in the past has gotten off to a similar slow start and turned it around.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Repped. You posted this right before I got mine down :cheers: .[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I'm a stat head myself, but you gotta use some perspective.

The reality is, CP3 ain't playing up to par.. I'm of the opinion he'll pick it up just before the postseason though. [COLOR="White"](crossing fingers lol)[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Thanks. I'm a stat head myself, but you gotta use some perspective.

The reality is, CP3 ain't playing up to par.. I'm of the opinion he'll pick it up just before the postseason though. [COLOR="White"](crossing fingers)[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Same. I'm not saying dude is done or won't bounce back because he no doubt will. I'm rather just venting about his play being mediocre up till this point. If he disappears in the playoffs again (last year injuries but has happened at times before) and keeps folding in 4th quarters though he needs to be held accountable.

clippersfan86 all in a lather because his team is #1 in the Pacific for like what? the 3rd time since they were in San Diego?

[I]Okay so... you guys know I've defended clippers to a fault. Even prior to them being good, I liked their futility and defended them from people slagging them. That being said, what we've seen from [B]ClippersFan86[/B] is completely unacceptable.

[B]ClippersFan86[/B] should be BETTER this year with a stronger team and an offseason on ISH. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. ISH has its own problems, but in ISH's defense, they are full of young posters, and hasn't had good moderators or strict guidelines.

I know ISH is still full of trolls and homers. [B]ClippersFan86[/B] on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. After 25,000 plus posts, a die-hard fan, yet continues to post poor threads. Somehow came into the season trolling weak sauce, despite posting 20 plus times a day during the summer.

I never thought I'd mention troll in a sentence with [B]ClippersFan86[/B] but the last few weeks he's made multiple low IQ threads that had me flabbergasted at ISH.

Every poster is allowed to have crappy posts, but to have trolled in weeks now? I feel like Qrich has a larger positive impact on ISH 75% of this season so far. Veteran posters shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Homer posts, more fanboy reasoning than usual, poor grammar compared to last year, appear totally illogical and can't refute substantial responses. I feel like his idea of posting is troll others into reactions and getting riled up in return. [/I]

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung][I]Okay so... you guys know I've defended clippers to a fault. Even prior to them being good, I liked their futility and defended them from people slagging them. That being said, what we've seen from [B]ClippersFan86[/B] is completely unacceptable.

[B]ClippersFan86[/B] should be BETTER this year with a stronger team and an offseason on ISH. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. ISH has its own problems, but in ISH's defense, they are full of young posters, and hasn't had good moderators or strict guidelines.

I know ISH is still full of trolls and homers. [B]ClippersFan86[/B] on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. After 25,000 plus posts, a die-hard fan, yet continues to post poor threads. Somehow came into the season trolling weak sauce, despite posting 20 plus times a day during the summer.

I never thought I'd mention troll in a sentence with [B]ClippersFan86[/B] but the last few weeks he's made multiple low IQ threads that had me flabbergasted at ISH.

Every poster is allowed to have crappy posts, but to have trolled in weeks now? I feel like Qrich has a larger positive impact on ISH 75% of this season so far. Veteran posters shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Homer posts, more fanboy reasoning than usual, poor grammar compared to last year, appear totally illogical and can't refute substantial responses. I feel like his idea of posting is troll others into reactions and getting riled up in return. [/I]

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Not sure why you can't just disagree rather than make a full blown troll post while accusing me of trolling. You definitely made your point here! :applause: . Funny thing is... I defend all the players and I'm the most bias homer... but the minute I criticize one I get ripped apart anyways for trolling? Doesn't make any sense at all but can't say I'm surprised.

If anything the fact that I can separate players from my loyalty to the team should get me respect rather than criticism. I care about what's best for the TEAM and always have.

He's in a slump. He played here in OKC when we had the Hornets and he would go hot and cold for several games. He will get back to form... I have no doubt.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Not sure why you can't just disagree rather than make a full blown troll post while accusing me of trolling. You definitely made your point here! :applause: . Funny thing is... I defend all the players and I'm the most bias homer... but the minute I criticize one I get ripped apart anyways for trolling? Doesn't make any sense at all but can't say I'm surprised.

If anything the fact that I can separate players from my loyalty to the team should get me respect rather than criticism. I care about what's best for the TEAM and always have.[/QUOTE]

I enjoy parodies and satires. :D

Seriously, it is a long season and clearly you're missing the forest for the trees.

Chris Paul has to develop chemistry as the point guard. He has to feed the ball to certain guys to get them going, so they will play inspired defense. DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin are young guys who need to be led around the nose on the court.

He can't just callously gun like Kobe.

Read a few books on how point guards operate the game - they're not exactly trying to win the game with each play. The bigger picture is to develop a strong contender that can win in the playoffs, and your homerism is preventing you from seeing that. :no:

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]I enjoy parodies and satires. :D

Seriously, it is a long season and clearly you're missing the forest for the trees.

Chris Paul has to develop chemistry as the point guard. He has to feed the ball to certain guys to get them going, so they will play inspired defense. DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin are young guys who need to be led around the nose on the court.

He can't just callously gun like Kobe.

Read a few books on how point guards operate the game - they're not exactly trying to win the game with each play. The bigger picture is to develop a strong contender that can win in the playoffs, and your homerism is preventing you from seeing that. :no:[/QUOTE]

He's not doing that though. He's had a full season with Griffin and STILL isn't utilizing him the way he should. Clippers offense is at it's best when Griffin is getting the ball often. Passing to the wing players like Butler+Crawford isn't going to get it done. This team is not made to be a jump shooting team yet that's what CP3's creating lately. Last year when they actually PNR'd they were unstoppable at times yet what do they do? Stop PNR entirely this year. SMH....

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]He's not doing that though. He's had a full season with Griffin and STILL isn't utilizing him the way he should. Clippers offense is at it's best when Griffin is getting the ball often. [/quote]
False. Griffin doesn't have the mature game you imagine him to have. Fantasy basketball doesn't get wins.

[quote]Passing to the wing players like Butler+Crawford isn't going to get it done. This team is not made to be a jump shooting team yet that's what CP3's creating lately.[/quote]
Exactly where is "get it done" in your cloud-cuckoo land, when it has gotten them 1st place in the Pacific so far? It's true that Butler isn't himself or he shouldn't be starting ahead of Barnes at this point.

[quote]Last year when they actually PNR'd they were unstoppable at times yet what do they do? Stop PNR entirely this year. SMH....[/QUOTE]

Teams have been siccin' their best wing defender on Chris Paul: Sefolosha in the Thunder game, LBJ in the Heat game, and Leonard in the Spurs game. This is the best method to negate Paul, and the pick-n-roll plays.

It looks more like a bad stretch than anything else.

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]False. Griffin doesn't have the mature game you imagine him to have. Fantasy basketball doesn't get wins.


Exactly where is "get it done" in your cloud-cuckoo land, when it has gotten them 1st place in the Pacific so far? It's true that Butler isn't himself or he shouldn't be starting ahead of Barnes at this point.



Teams have been siccin' their best wing defender on Chris Paul: Sefolosha in the Thunder game, LBJ in the Heat game, and Leonard in the Spurs game. This is the best method to negate Paul, and the pick-n-roll plays.

It looks more like a bad stretch than anything else.[/QUOTE]

Didn't say Griffin has a mature game but when the offense runs through him and he's aggressive the team is easily at it's best. It's very common for Griffin to have 15+ in the first half... yet the team inexplicably stops going to him in the second half and turns into a 3 point bombing team. Maybe it's teams adjusting after halftime but it's stupid that the team doesn't stick to it's guns and CP3 is a root problem of the scheme.

Please don't be a sheep and say stupid sh** like "they are at the top of the Pacific". It's the weakest division in the NBA arguably. Warriors are only a HALF game behind the Clippers and the Lakers are a newly formed team yet to find it's groove. Before you know it the Clippers can easily be 3rd within a week or two if they don't fix these issues NOW.

Teams have been putting their best defenders on superstars since the inception of the NBA and it's no excuse. CP3 is talented and smart enough to beat longer, good defenders. He's making poor decisions PERIOD. Deferring to Jamal Crawford and Caron Butler for deep 3's? COMON DUDE. He must be held accountable. I'm not about to protect him even if he's the superstar on the team.

Blake Griffin is like Kevin Love, stats but no substance.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Who do you think is responsible to get him the ball in the 4th? CP3. Coach is yelling at him to get Griffin the ball every game yet instead he's taking bad shots or deferring to Crawford and Butler. The team needs to get it through their heads that we don't have enough pure shooters to be a perimeter team. Our bread and butter should be Griffin. Griffin doesn't help the situation by passing so much but they need to feed right back to him and MAKE him have to score.

I agree every superstar gets to have a bad month here or there but this was supposed to be the year of no excuse for CP3. Mostly healthy, LOADED squad next to him, more time to mesh etc.[/QUOTE]

I sightly disagree. I watched a few of Clippers this year where CP3 would give him the ball. Griffin had a few open shots too or he can drive in for the dunk and get a foul. Instead he is looking to pass. But you are right that they don't really give him the ball that much in the 4th either. They should.

The Clippers won't get far unless Griffin is their focal point on offense. They should go inside and then out. I think they are fine with CP3 or Crawford closing games when they are hot or making a play, but Griffin should get the ball and score more in the 4th than he has been.

[quote=Gotterdammerung]
False. Griffin doesn't have the mature game you imagine him to have. Fantasy basketball doesn't get wins.
[/quote]

I disagree here. While I agree he doesn't have a mature game, the Clippers are at their best if they go inside and out with Griffin. The reason why is because he is a good passer and he could create for his teammates and they have a better of scoring with him attacking the basket than a jumpshot. Whenever they do have as the focal point in the offense, they look more fluid and better on offense than not. It was the same last year too. But CP3 was better at closing last year so far.

But no question that CP3 impact>Griffin's impact.

Fancy a pg passing to a %90 free throw shooter over a 50% shooter down the stretch. Insanity. Even Vinny was benching Blake down the stretch last year.

Blake is as indecisive as Paul is passive. I reckon Blake hits 90% of his shots when he puts them up in rhythm. It's not Paul's fault Blake freezes half the time. Butler does it too... "Open 3... Pump fake, drive/travel/contested brick.

[QUOTE=Micku]I sightly disagree. I watched a few of Clippers this year where CP3 would give him the ball. Griffin had a few open shots too or he can drive in for the dunk and get a foul. Instead he is looking to pass. But you are right that they don't really give him the ball that much in the 4th either. They should.

The Clippers won't get far unless Griffin is their focal point on offense. They should go inside and then out. I think they are fine with CP3 or Crawford closing games when they are hot or making a play, but Griffin should get the ball and score more in the 4th than he has been.



I disagree here. While I agree he doesn't have a mature game, the Clippers are at their best if they go inside and out with Griffin. The reason why is because he is a good passer and he could create for his teammates and they have a better of scoring with him attacking the basket than a jumpshot. Whenever they do have as the focal point in the offense, they look more fluid and better on offense than not. It was the same last year too. But CP3 was better at closing last year so far.

But no question that CP3 impact>Griffin's impact.[/QUOTE]

You make valid points and that's why I've acknowledged Griffin makes it worse by passing too much. Bottom line like you said is Clippers at their best are an inside/out team running the offense through Griffin. The 4th quarters of not giving Griffin the ball, especially when he DOMINATED prior needs to end. This guy has 15/8/3 for example at the half so why not feed and feed him? That's the one thing Baron was much better than CP3 at... feeding the hot hand.

Baron in general really played well with Griffin and now that he's gone and we have CP3 I realize it more than ever. Baron was always willing to throw risky lobs and Blake got them 90 percent of the time. Those easy dunks energize him and get his post game going. Baron also was better at letting Griffin handle the ball and attack more.

[QUOTE=notatop29pg]Fancy a pg passing to a %90 free throw shooter over a 50% shooter down the stretch. Insanity. Even Vinny was benching Blake down the stretch last year.

Blake is as indecisive as Paul is passive. I reckon Blake hits 90% of his shots when he puts them up in rhythm. It's not Paul's fault Blake freezes half the time. Butler does it too... "Open 3... Pump fake, drive/travel/contested brick.[/QUOTE]

Another perpetuated myth. Blake Griffin was NEVER benched down the stretch in 4th quarters. Only in the playoffs when he was injured and physically couldn't give more than 80 percent. Griffin was the highest impact Clipper last year in terms of on and off court differential. The Clippers went to shit whenever he came out of games.

He's getting out of this passive streak already and it doesn't change the fact that he needs more shots and more touches.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Another perpetuated myth. Blake Griffin was NEVER benched down the stretch in 4th quarters. Only in the playoffs when he was injured and physically couldn't give more than 80 percent. Griffin was the highest impact Clipper last year in terms of on and off court differential. The Clippers went to shit whenever he came out of games.

He's getting out of this passive streak already and it doesn't change the fact that he needs more shots and more touches.[/QUOTE]

He'll get as much ball as he wants when he's not a liability at the line. It's just too easy to take him out of the game that way. So many games were lost last season that would have been won with 70% from the line rather than 60%.

On a side note... How long do you think G.Hill will last with the Clippers? He never looks to pleased with what he sees out there. I think some of the clippers knuckleheads will drive him insane..

[QUOTE=notatop29pg]He'll get as much ball as he wants when he's not a liability at the line. It's just too easy to take him out of the game that way. So many games were lost last season that would have been won with 70% from the line rather than 60%.

On a side note... How long do you think G.Hill will last with the Clippers? He never looks to pleased with what he sees out there. I think some of the clippers knuckleheads will drive him insane..[/QUOTE]

Hill will likely retire after this year or next.. and he interviewed the other night saying he loved what he's seen from the team :confusedshrug: . His free throw shooting is up about 10 percent from last year and will keep improving. It's still an issue but not rare for bigs used to bullying in the paint to be poor free throw shooters the first few years of their career.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Hill will likely retire after this year or next.. and he interviewed the other night saying he loved what he's seen from the team :confusedshrug: . His free throw shooting is up about 10 percent from last year and will keep improving. It's still an issue but not rare for bigs used to bullying in the paint to be poor free throw shooters the first few years of their career.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Blakes got plenty of time... I just don't see him putting himself in the right position enough. Yeah he can dribble ok, but they've got Crawford for that. The starting 5 need to all be threats in a team offense. If he gets in a good spot (not just for lobs) he'll get plenty of ball. It's not all on Blake mind you.. But his lack of confidence is extremely obvious out there IMO, not sure why either.

[QUOTE=notatop29pg]Yeah Blakes got plenty of time... I just don't see him putting himself in the right position enough. Yeah he can dribble ok, but they've got Crawford for that. The starting 5 need to all be threats in a team offense. If he gets in a good spot (not just for lobs) he'll get plenty of ball. It's not all on Blake mind you.. But his lack of confidence is extremely obvious out there IMO, not sure why either.[/QUOTE]

We've already agreed on this though. Blake has had way too many times this year where he's passing too much and not attacking. That being said the last 2-3 games it's improved. Last game he had 22/11/7 in about 30 minutes and was aggressive from the start having 19 at the half. Then the team stopped feeding him which is what I'm complaining about.

Didn't Paul say that if he isn't running someone has got to tell him? Well, who's telling him? Cuz he's snailing.



And it's just...Butler has to go. Plain and simple. He has to be traded. It doesn't matter what you get back. When Hill is back you have to get him in the lineup and trade Butler.



And honestly, Matt Barnes does well as a starter. I still have no idea why the Lakers benched him. When he started he played very well. Runs the court so well and plays defense, does the little things. But Butler cannot start.