The Clippers should move Blake Griffin..

[QUOTE=qrich]That flew over your head.

Would they have? Did they? Who knows. Is it a deal I was for, yes and no. And I'm confident no team would trade someone like Blake Griffin for a guy that is a diva and on an expiring contract.

But Josh Smith and role players, really? So Caron Butler, DeAndre Jordan, Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford, Eric Bledsoe, Ronny Turiaf and when healthy, Chauncey Billups & Grant Hill are not enough role players?

Or you said a first. Smith and CJ Wilcox for Blake is enough...how? And you expect Smith to play the four in the West with big guy tandems like Pau/Dwight & ZBo/Marc?[/QUOTE]

Horford, Smith, and Korver for BG & DJ. Does that not improve the team?

if you don't think it does, thats fine, we can have different opinions. I think Smooth gives you exactly what BG gives you on offense plus 10x more on defense. Also, playing with a pg like cp3 would cut down of Smith's bone headed plays.

Horford, is a obvious upgrade over DJ, Hawks would be willing to give up Horford in order to get Griffin IMO, as Griffin will sell tickets and possibly attract free agents.

Korver adds another shooter to the mix

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]ok. Take a team like the Hawks, probrably the worst fan base in the entire NBA, always empty seats in the arena, totally irrelevant to the "main stream" NBA.

J Smooth is about to leave for free agency, and they are not going anywhere with Horford as their # 1 guy.

JSmooth, Horford & Korver For BG, DJ.

Atlanta Hawks reasoning: J Smooth is likely to leave anyways, Horford is not enought to attract big name free agents next season, getting BG attracts free agents and is Guranteed to put butts in the seats. Brings in their biggest star since Nique and makes them relevant again.

LAC reasoning: Brings in arguably the best front court in the entire NBA. one of the best defensive PF's in J smooth and is just as atheltic as BG. Horford gives them a legit center.

Thats just one idea, with a guy like BG the possibilites are endless, who knows how far some team desperate for ticket sales would be willing to go in order to get Griffin.

Durant, Westbrooke, Bron, Kobe, Melo, Wade, Prolly the players that would be impossible to get, the rest of the players in the league could potentially end up in a trade for griffin if he was ever put on the block.[/QUOTE]

Atlanta would have to throw in both of their first round picks this year, take on Butler/Hollins and give up Ivan/Pachulia for that to be considered by the Clips.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Horford, Smith, and Korver for BG & DJ. Does that not improve the team?

if you don't think it does, thats fine, we can have different opinions. I think Smooth gives you exactly what BG gives you on offense plus 10x more on defense. Also, playing with a pg like cp3 would cut down of Smith's bone headed plays.

Horford, is a obvious upgrade over DJ, Hawks would be willing to give up Horford in order to get Griffin IMO, as Griffin will sell tickets and possibly attract free agents.[/QUOTE]

No, it does not. Korver is doo-doo and can easily be replicated by signing Michael Roll, Richie Frahm, Jason Kapono, etc. A stand alone three point shooter doesn't have much value. Eddie House is yet another name.

Smith does not give you anywhere near what Blake gives you on offense, are you kidding me? Blake's post moves have been greatly improving and his repertoire is getting bigger and bigger. His jumper is actually not bad, he just lacks confidence in taking the shots. Smith also is not a good fit with Paul as Paul likes to grind it out and I can't see Smith being as productive grinding it out in the West. Blake is scoring more points with less shots and less playing time after his atrocious start. More rebounds as well. Then consider the fact that Smith is a [B]FREE AGENT[/B] while Blake is LOCKED IN for five more years, and Blake sells seats so he also brings in $$$$ to the franchise, something Smith really does not. Horford may also be an upgrade over Jordan, but in the West, you need size if you are going to win or have three damn good perimeter guys ala last years Thunder, which the Clippers won't have after this deal. I mean, look at some of the size and depth in the West. Pau/Dwight. Marc/Z-Bo. Favors/Kanter/Jefferson/Millsap. Even the Warriors with Lee/Bogut/Ezeli/Landry and even Biedrins. Despite athleticism, you want a 6'9 and a nicely measured 6'10 guy to compete in 7 game series' with those guys?

[QUOTE=qrich]Atlanta would have to throw in both of their first round picks this year, take on Butler/Hollins and give up Ivan/Pachulia for that to be considered by the Clips.



No, it does not. Korver is doo-doo and can easily be replicated by signing Michael Roll, Richie Frahm, Jason Kapono, etc. A stand alone three point shooter doesn't have much value. Eddie House is yet another name.

Smith does not give you anywhere near what Blake gives you on offense, are you kidding me? Blake's post moves have been greatly improving and his repertoire is getting bigger and bigger. His jumper is actually not bad, he just lacks confidence in taking the shots. Smith also is not a good fit with Paul as Paul likes to grind it out and I can't see Smith being as productive grinding it out in the West. Blake is scoring more points with less shots and less playing time after his atrocious start. More rebounds as well. Then consider the fact that Smith is a [B]FREE AGENT[/B] while Blake is LOCKED IN for five more years, and Blake sells seats so he also brings in $$$$ to the franchise, something Smith really does not. Horford may also be an upgrade over Jordan, but in the West, you need size if you are going to win or have three damn good perimeter guys ala last years Thunder, which the Clippers won't have after this deal. I mean, look at some of the size and depth in the West. Pau/Dwight. Marc/Z-Bo. Favors/Kanter/Jefferson/Millsap. Even the Warriors with Lee/Bogut/Ezeli/Landry and even Biedrins. Despite athleticism, you want a 6'9 and a nicely measured 6'10 guy to compete in 7 game series' with those guys?[/QUOTE]

I like how you trash Kyle Korver who is averaging 10 ppg on 42% shooting from 3 and call him "doo doo" and say he can be "easily replaced" with a bunch of guys who aren't even in the league :facepalm

It's also Ironic how you don't mention a damn thing about Smith's defense and how much better it is than Griffins. Also, how Horford is 10x the player that DJ is.

and enough with this "BG plays less" non sense, he plays 2 minutes less than Smith per game :facepalm .

Also, Smith takes 2 more shots per game than BG, seeing as Smiths the #1 option for his team thats understandable. Smith would beneifit from playing along side CP3 just as Griffin does..

Atlanta is 12-5 with Josh Smith and Horford LEADING THE TEAM with a bunch of sub par role players.

Imagine Horford and Smith playing along side Cp3,

Blake Griffin is on par with if not better defensively than Smith this year. Stop giving players merit on reputation and start actually watching the games dipshit.

19 pts (7-11), 9 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals was Blake's statline again without playing a single minute of the 4th and only playing 29 minutes. Dude is dominating and the team even stopped feeding him the ball in the 3rd and chucking jumpers.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]I like how you trash Kyle Korver who is averaging 10 ppg on 42% shooting from 3 and call him "doo doo" and say he can be "easily replaced" with a bunch of guys who aren't even in the league :facepalm

It's also Ironic how you don't mention a damn thing about Smith's defense and how much better it is than Griffins. Also, how Horford is 10x the player that DJ is.

and enough with this "BG plays less" non sense, he plays 2 minutes less than Smith per game :facepalm .

Also, Smith takes 2 more shots per game than BG, seeing as Smiths the #1 option for his team thats understandable. Smith would beneifit from playing along side CP3 just as Griffin does..

Atlanta is 12-5 with Josh Smith and Horford LEADING THE TEAM with a bunch of sub par role players.

Imagine Horford and Smith playing along side Cp3,[/QUOTE]

Korver is a stand alone shooter, as are those guys. Definitely nothing more than just filler in a trade.

Smith is a much better weak side defender, but the gap between the two when it comes to man defense isn't as big as you want to believe.

And sure, Horford is better on offense, but why ignore defense when I'd take DJ over Horford any day, in the WEST? DJ is longer and more athletic to boot.

Smith takes more shots and scores LESS is the point, flew over your head as well?

The Clippers play in the West and have had the toughest SOS to date. Atlanta plays in the East with the 17th ranked SOS to date. But that has no reflection on the records right?

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Blake Griffin is on par with if not better defensively than Smith this year. Stop giving players merit on reputation and start actually watching the games dipshit.[/QUOTE]


Josh Smith, AL Horford, Kyle Korver for Blake Griffin & DJ is a bad trade for the Clippers?

Swap Blake Griffin & DJ with Horford & Smith this year, are the Hawks still 12-5?

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Josh Smith, AL Horford, Kyle Korver for Blake Griffin & DJ is a bad trade for the Clippers?

Swap Blake Griffin & DJ with Horford & Smith this year, are the Hawks still 12-5?[/QUOTE]

I didn't say anything about the trade being bad. Obviously the combination of those 3 is better than Blake but trades aren't all about that. Contract, upside, youth etc has a TON to do with it and Blake is the next great PF and is a better fit for the team. Besides if you trade for both what do you do with 11 mill a year DJ?

[QUOTE=qrich]Korver is a stand alone shooter, as are those guys. Definitely nothing more than just filler in a trade.

Smith is a much better weak side defender, but the gap between the two when it comes to man defense isn't as big as you want to believe.

And sure, Horford is better on offense, but why ignore defense when I'd take DJ over Horford any day, in the WEST? DJ is longer and more athletic to boot.

[B]Smith takes more shots and scores LESS is the point, flew over your head as well?[/B]

The Clippers play in the West and have had the toughest SOS to date. Atlanta plays in the East with the 17th ranked SOS to date. But that has no reflection on the records right?[/QUOTE]


Smith Shoots 2 more shots per game than Griffin and averages .9 less points per game.

Take away the pressure of being the #1 option and add in one or two easy buckets per game that playing with CP3 will get you, and i'm confident that Smith's production would match Griffins.

Are you going to act like if BG was the #1 option on his team and wasn't playing with a great PG that maybe just maybe he'd have to shoot a few more times per game?

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Smith Shoots 2 more shots per game than Griffin and averages .9 less points per game.

Take away the pressure of being the #1 option and add in one or two easy buckets per game that playing with CP3 will get you, and i'm confident that Smith's production would match Griffins.

Are you going to act like if BG was the #1 option on his team and wasn't playing with a great PG that maybe just maybe he'd have to shoot a few more times per game?[/QUOTE]


And what did Blake average his rookie year without a point guard like Paul and the pressure of being the #1 option?

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Blake Griffin is on par with if not better defensively than Smith this year. Stop giving players merit on reputation and start actually watching the games dipshit.[/QUOTE]



Don't say stuff like this because people think you're being a homer. Griffin has not been elite or anything and Smith is playing great defense. That's not true.

it's insane to me that these are real thoughts someone has and is 100% serious about.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86][B]I didn't say anything about the trade being bad. Obviously the combination of those 3 is better than Blake but trades aren't all about that[/B]. Contract, upside, youth etc has a TON to do with it and Blake is the next great PF and is a better fit for the team. Besides if you trade for both what do you do with 11 mill a year DJ?[/QUOTE]

:lol

I'm laughing but that is a good point, contract, and upside are factors.

So lets look at it that way

Contract, is Horfords contract better for what you're getting that Dj's contract? Yes.

Contract, Is Smith likely to resign in a big city that gets as much press as LA does? Most likely yes.

Contract, does bringing in arguably the best PF/C combination give Cp3 a big reason to resign? Yes.

Upside, the upside of bringing in a dominant front court allows you to re sign the best pg in the league and have him for years to come.

Upside, LAC play in the west, and as we know in the west it a lot of times comes down to the bigs, Who in the west can currently match up with a j smith/Horford froncourt with Cp3 running point?

Smith/Horford/Cp3 is a scary combination. Cp3 would thrive.

Teams already can't match up with this team. Neither Horford or Smith can be relied upon like Griffin to be THE go to player. CP3 would be forced to carry a much bigger offensive load again. Clippers are 7-2 against good teams this year... so matching up in the west isn't an issue. Their loss to OKC was very winnable too. Only good team that flat out smoked us was the Hawks, a week after we beat them by 13.

[QUOTE=Al Thornton]it's insane to me that these are real thoughts someone has and is 100% serious about.[/QUOTE]


you obviously havent read the thread very carefully, obviously the Clippers wont trade him, nor should they due to his popularity.

The premise of the thread is that BG's trade value could bring the Cluppers a better combination of players that BG..

Is Josh Smith, Al Horford & Korver for BG and DJ a bad trade for the Clippers?

Before you jump into a thread and decide to post the classic ISH "i've only read the title of the thread so i'll react to that instead of the context in which the title of the thread was being proposed" maybe you should read through.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen][B]Is Josh Smith, Al Horford & Korver for BG and DJ a bad trade for the Clippers?[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes.

Next.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Teams already can't match up with this team. [B]Neither Horford or Smith can be relied upon like Griffin to be THE go to player[/B]. CP3 would be forced to carry a much bigger offensive load again. Clippers are 7-2 against good teams this year... so matching up in the west isn't an issue. Their loss to OKC was very winnable too. Only good team that flat out smoked us was the Hawks, a week after we beat them by 13.[/QUOTE]


Neither can Griffin :confusedshrug:

Griffin has not proven to be a go to player that you can depend on in the playoffs, you can't be serious :wtf:

Last year in the playoffs, against the Spurs

Game 1: 7-17 15 pts 9 boards. +/- = -24

Game 2: 7-16 20 points [B]1 rebound[/B][B] in 37 minutes [/B]

Game 3: 13-24 28 points. 16 reb. Good game, great stats. however most of his points came in the first half (14 in the first quarter) and was not reliable down the stretch. Team lost the game.

Game 4: 9-20 21 pts. 5 rebounds.

I pick this series b/c it was the WCF semi's, this is where your GO TO PLAYERS play like GO TO PLAYERS, where in that series was Griffin a go to guy :confusedshrug:

How can you be considered a go to player at the PF position and have a game where you shoot under 50% and grab 1 rebound in the WCF semis?

That 1 game out of 4 where he grabbed more than 10 rebounds and shot better than 50%, and in the 1 game he did that most of his production came in the 1st half.

Blake Griffin is not the GO TO PLAYER that you make him out to be

Blake Griffin had the longest 20/10 streak since Shaq. He absolutely CAN be depended on as a go to scorer. His rookie year he was and it's not his fault the team was shredded with injuries and not very good. Dude put up 22.5 ppg despite being double teamed religiously.

Blake is FAR more dependable as a go to, 20+ ppg scorer than either Smith or Horford who have had MUCH longer to prove themselves and have been in the league longer than Blake. Don't use the playoffs as a sample when Blake was injured and beat the hell up. I guarantee you... you'll change your tune this year when he's dominating the playoffs.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Exactly. Makes me laugh when people say things like "He proved he couldn't do it by himself and needed a star to carry him". So he got his one rookie year where the team had tons of new players, was decimated by injuries... to turn the franchise around before being labeled a low impact, overrated player? The team got CP3+other talent the very next year and somehow Griffin is being perceived as a nobody without CP3?

[B]I still think if Griffin had kept developing as THE man[/B] on this team without CP3 they would have made the playoffs last year. First round exit and 7-8 seed at best for sure... but at least in the playoffs with Griffin's development full steam ahead.[/QUOTE]
Just imagine a healthy Gordon, Bledsoe and Griffin:bowdown:

Well for someone who keeps declining since his rookie season, it is rational for the front office to trade him earlier than later.
:pimp:

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Blake Griffin had the longest 20/10 streak since Shaq. He absolutely CAN be depended on as a go to scorer. His rookie year he was and it's not his fault the team was shredded with injuries and not very good. Dude put up 22.5 ppg despite being double teamed religiously.

Blake is FAR more dependable as a go to, 20+ ppg scorer than either Smith or Horford who have had MUCH longer to prove themselves and have been in the league longer than Blake.[B] Don't use the playoffs as a sample when Blake was injured and beat the hell up[/B]. I guarantee you... you'll change your tune this year when he's dominating the playoffs.[/QUOTE]


Dude, Newsflash nobody is 100% healthy and pristine going into the playoffs. Stop making excuses for BG when he clearly did not have an impressive showing in the biggest 4 games of his career.

And what does the 20 10 streak prove anyways? BG had a 12 game stretch of 20 & 10, but doesnt prove that he is a go to guy? I've seen you trash Kevin Love and put him down in comparison to BG but his 53 straight double double streak takes a fat dump on 12 games of 20 & 10.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Dude, Newsflash nobody is 100% healthy and pristine going into the playoffs. Stop making excuses for BG when he clearly did not have an impressive showing in the biggest 4 games of his career.

And what does the 20 10 streak prove anyways? BG had a 12 game stretch of 20 & 10, but doesnt prove that he is a go to guy? I've seen you trash Kevin Love and put him down in comparison to BG but his 53 straight double double streak takes a fat dump on 12 games of 20 & 10.[/QUOTE]

Yes I'm sure having a torn Meniscus and hyperextended knee in the playoffs is something players regularly play through :oldlol: . BTW it was way more than 12 straight 20/10 games his rookie year. It was something like 26 or 27 if I remember. Regardless I'm not comparing him to Love... I'm saying Griffin is a better go to player than Smith and Horford which is a fact. Blake is a young player still learning but has first option scorer written all over him. He regularly takes over games with 8-10+ straight points and regularly has 15+ point halves. Horford and Smith are career 3rd option players.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Griffin tore his meniscus in the olympics, what does that have to do with the Spurs series[/QUOTE]

Wrong it happened in the playoffs and was kept hush hush with a max extension around the corner. Coangelo flat out said during the Olympics that he's almost sure the torn Meniscus actually happened in the playoffs. Trust me the injuries severely limited Blake, CP3 and the rest of the banged up guys.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86][B]Yes I'm sure having a torn Meniscus and hyperextended knee in the playoffs is something players regularly play through :oldlol:[/B] . BTW it was way more than 12 straight 20/10 games his rookie year. It was something like 26 or 27 if I remember. Regardless I'm not comparing him to Love... I'm saying Griffin is a better go to player than Smith and Horford which is a fact. Blake is a young player still learning but has first option scorer written all over him. He regularly takes over games with 8-10+ straight points and regularly has 15+ point halves. Horford and Smith are career 3rd option players.[/QUOTE]


Griffin tore his meniscus in the Olympics, what does that have to do with the Spurs series

regardless of if you think BG is a go to guy, the combination of JSMOOTH +AL Horford would be better for the Clippers than the combination of BG & DJ

Fine, Blake and two firsts for David Lee :bowdown:

I understand the backlash to previous Blake overrating, but it's sliding a little too far in the other direction. Blake Griffin is a fcking good player. He's not an "elite" player, but he's definitely one of the top PF's in the NBA.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I understand the backlash to previous Blake overrating, but it's sliding a little too far in the other direction. Blake Griffin is a fcking good player. He's not an "elite" player, but he's definitely one of the top PF's in the NBA.[/QUOTE]


i've said numerous times in this thread that yes, BG is really good player.

However, his trade value is higher than the impact he brings.

If the Clips could get Jsmith & Horford for BG then it would be a good trade for the Clippers.

Somehow, Clippers fans think Griffin is better than the combination of Josh Smith and Al Horford which to me is just :facepalm

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Blake Griffin is on par with if not better defensively than Smith this year. Stop giving players merit on reputation and start actually watching the games dipshit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Al Thornton]it's insane to me that these are real thoughts someone has and is 100% serious about.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I understand the backlash to previous Blake overrating, but it's sliding a little too far in the other direction. Blake Griffin is a fcking good player. He's not an "elite" player, but he's definitely one of the top PF's in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

:applause:. I'd be careful saying "overrated" though. I think Blake was WAY overhyped and spoon fed to everybody and MAYBE slightly overrated but not enough to get a title for it. People nowadays act like Griffin may not be a top 8 PF :facepalm .

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]i've said numerous times in this thread that yes, BG is really good player.

However, his trade value is higher than the impact he brings.

If the Clips could get Jsmith & Horford for BG then it would be a good trade for the Clippers.

Somehow, Clippers fans think Griffin is better than the combination of Josh Smith and Al Horford which to me is just :facepalm[/QUOTE]

And we've called you an idiot numerous times. We didn't misunderstand you.

The trade value being higher is not just because of razzle dazzle. It's because of age, having him for another guaranteed 5 years, current production, AND future production.

If the Clippers trade him for what he's worth now, he will show his improvements and spend his physical prime dominating with some other team. How stupid are you?

[quote=Clippersfan86]:applause:. I'd be careful saying "overrated" though. I think Blake was WAY overhyped and spoon fed to everybody and MAYBE slightly overrated but not enough to get a title for it. People nowadays act like Griffin may not be a top 8 PF :facepalm .[/quote]

i havent seen anyone say blake is not a top 8 pf. He is top 5 without question whether ppl want to say it or not.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen].

If the Clips could get Jsmith & Horford for BG then it would be a good trade for the Clippers.
[/QUOTE]

It would be a horrible trade for the Hawks tho, why would they give up two top notch starters?

[QUOTE=ncrizzle]i havent seen anyone say blake is not a top 8 pf. He is top 5 without question whether ppl want to say it or not.[/QUOTE]

At the start of the year, with his play, I'd say he was arguably top 7. Over the past handful or so of games, he's been arguably the best.

Dude just need to have confidence and I think he can be cemented as a top 3 PF.

OP is right. Clippers are title contenders if they had moved griffin for Howard when they had the chance. Not sure who they could get for now.

[QUOTE=andremiller07]It would be a horrible trade for the Hawks tho, why would they give up two top notch starters?[/QUOTE]


yeah i felt like the hawks weren't getting enough back, somehow the clippers are getting ripped off though :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]yeah i felt like the hawks weren't getting enough back, somehow the clippers are getting ripped off though :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

No one said anything about getting ripped off.

Fact of the matter is, considering EVERYTHING, Clippers will turn that deal down unless the Hawks add incentive. Why? Blake is younger, the difference on defense between Smith and Blake is equivalent or pretty damn close to the difference on offense, Blake is locked in, Smoove is an unrestricted free agent, and everything else that has already been mentioned.

But I expect that to all to be flown over your head. I mean, it is apparent you think Smith is equal to Blake on offense, essentially (or pretty damn close), so if that is what you believe, then nothing else can be said.

[QUOTE=talkingconch]OP is right. Clippers are title contenders if they had moved griffin for Howard when they had the chance. Not sure who they could get for now.[/QUOTE]

Actually heard a great debate about this before the season started on ESPN radio.

Chris Paul is hindering blakes development

[QUOTE=qrich][B]No one said anything about getting ripped off.[/B]

Fact of the matter is, considering EVERYTHING, Clippers will turn that deal down unless the Hawks add incentive. Why? Blake is younger, the difference on defense between Smith and Blake is equivalent or pretty damn close to the difference on offense, Blake is locked in, Smoove is an unrestricted free agent, and everything else that has already been mentioned.

But I expect that to all to be flown over your head. I mean, it is apparent you think Smith is equal to Blake on offense, essentially (or pretty damn close), so if that is what you believe, then nothing else can be said.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=qrich]Atlanta would have to throw in both of their first round picks this year, take on Butler/Hollins and give up Ivan/Pachulia for that to be considered by the Clips.
[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you're saying the clips would be getting ripped off. :confusedshrug:

Chances are Smith would resign with the Cippers, this would also give CP3 more incentive to resign.

Horford & Smith with Cp3 would be scary, add in Crawford, Butler, Bledsoe, that team could do some damage in the playoffs.

This was just the first trade that popped in my head, i'm sure the Clippers could get even better than this out of a Blake Griffin deal

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Sounds like you're saying the clips would be getting ripped off. :confusedshrug:

Chances are Smith would resign with the Cippers, this would also give CP3 more incentive to resign.

Horford & Smith with Cp3 would be scary, add in Crawford, Butler, Bledsoe, that team could do some damage in the playoffs.

This was just the first trade that popped in my head, i'm sure the Clippers could get even better than this out of a Blake Griffin deal[/QUOTE]

No, I'm saying Atlanta would need to add in incentive to get the Clippers to consider. There is a ton of reasons for more incentive being needed than value. Such as marketability, age, potential, etc.

Yes, chances are Smith will reup, just like Elton Brand was. Or Carlos Boozer was. Or chances are Iverson will lead Denver to the promised land. Or Horford won't miss any games. Shall I continue?

Horford and Smith will get murdered in the paint in the playoffs if they were to face the Lakers, the Grizzlies hell even the Jazz. I wouldn't be confident with them against the Nuggets either.

But hey, Smith is tons better than Blake. He's superior on offense due to putting up worse stats in more time and more shot opportunities and is a million times better on D due to rep.

:rolleyes: