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[QUOTE=Nanners]eliminating oil and nat gas subsidies would save us taxpayers $120 billion over the next 10 years.

i am tired of the us govt forcibly taking my money so that the most profitable companies in the world can inflate their profits even more.[/QUOTE]

Oil and gas companies don't receive subsidies.

And since you're so against government assistance to corporations, we should end tax breaks for wind energy as well. Don't want to be a hypocrite do we?

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Oil and gas companies don't receive subsidies.
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bullshit they dont. here is a full list of the hundreds of tax breaks and subsidies available to oil and gas companies

[url]http://www.oecd.org/site/tadffss/USA.pdf[/url]

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And since you're so against government assistance to corporations, we should end tax breaks for wind energy as well. Don't want to be a hypocrite do we?[/QUOTE]

thats fine by me, wind and solar are both becoming more and more viable by the day. at this very moment, germany currently generates 25% of their power from renewables, and can reach 50% or more on sunny days.

[URL="http://grist.org/news/nearly-50-percent-of-new-electricity-generation-added-in-2012-was-renewable/"]50% of new generation built in the USA last year was renewable[/URL]. the future is coming hawker

[QUOTE=Droid101][B]Why don't you consider your fellow American citizens as a sort of extended family?[/B] Wouldn't we all be better off if we did? If we all wanted to take care of each other and make sure everyone in our country is happy?[/QUOTE]

WOW lol... really? Made a huge leap there... maybe because he doesn't want to? Maybe because it's not his responsibility to make sure everyone in our country is happy? Maybe because he has a much stronger emotional bond with people he has been living with for his whole lifetime? The gap between a family member and a random citizen that could be living 3000 miles away is large. Huge. Not even in the same ballpark.

I am amazed how people are relating that being supported by family is the same as getting a government handout. Those two are not the same at all. Not even close. Having a supportive family and being against handouts does not make one a hypocrite lol.

[QUOTE=Is He Ill]
That's one issue I have with many conservatives. They seem to think if you are outside of their circle of family and friends then you can essentially go f*** yourself. To me it seems as if they fail to realize that we would be better off if we were in this together since we can all benefit down the line. It's like they operate on a very small, tribal mindset.[/QUOTE]

I'm a kind person, but that doesn't mean I have to give change to every bum that approaches me or support large inefficient welfare programs.

I'm a kind person, but that doesnt mean I should have to give money to the govt to pay for ginormous tax breaks for rich people and corporations.

Or pay for a trillion dollar per year perpetual war industry, for that matter.

[QUOTE=Nanners]I'm a kind person, but that doesnt mean I should have to give money to the govt to pay for ginormous tax breaks for rich people and corporations.

Or pay for a trillion dollar per year perpetual war industry, for that matter.[/QUOTE]

What's your point? I was addressing a post that claimed conservatives outside of their friends and family have a go **** yourself attitude, which is false.

But I'm all for ending the perpetual war industry and ending subsidies to corporations too. That's why I didn't vote for Romney or Obama

[QUOTE=falc39]What's your point? I was addressing a post that claimed conservatives outside of their friends and family have a go **** yourself attitude, which is false.

But I'm all for ending the perpetual war industry and ending subsidies to corporations too. That's why I didn't vote for Romney or Obama[/QUOTE]


it annoys me when people (conservatives) complain about welfare for poor people while the govt is spending waaaay more providing welfare for rich and the corporate elite.

if the govt is going to redistribute wealth, i would much rather that it get redistributed to poor people instead of rich.

If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture.

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????

[QUOTE=MMM]If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. [B]For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture. [/B]

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????[/QUOTE]

cant agree more. the modern fox news "conservative" is not remotely conservative by the definition of the word.

[url=http://chronicle.com/article/The-Conservative-Turn-Against/135488/?cid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en]Fantastic article[/url] on why modern Republicans are so adamantly and shamelessly anti-science and anti-intellectualism.

[quote]Climate scientists came under attack not just because their research threatened the oil industry (although it certainly did that), but also because they had exposed significant market failures.

Pollution is a market failure because, in general, polluters do not pay a price for environmental damage (and this includes not just polluting industries, like electrical utilities, but also anyone who uses a product—like gasoline—that takes up a portion of the planetary sink without paying for it). Nicholas Stern, a former chief economist at the World Bank, has declared climate change "the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen."[/quote]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]:roll: I am loving this...

The guy doing the most ranting and raving is a little boy in high school living off mommy and daddy

:roll:

This muthaf*cker is talking about takers and makers when he has yet to even be an adult... are you old enough even vote???

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Just another person taking on the establishments language.

takers vs. the makers. blah blah blah

[QUOTE=MMM]If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture.

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????[/QUOTE]

I'll never call myself a republican or a democrat again. Too much baggage.

[QUOTE=MMM]If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture.

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????[/QUOTE]

That's one faction in the Republican party I wholeheartedly disagree with. The religious fanatics in the Republican party are really kind of absurd.

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]I'll never call myself a republican or a democrat again. Too much baggage.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, I call my self a regressive reformer

[QUOTE=Nanners]bullshit they dont. here is a full list of the hundreds of tax breaks and subsidies available to oil and gas companies

[url]http://www.oecd.org/site/tadffss/USA.pdf[/url]



thats fine by me, wind and solar are both becoming more and more viable by the day. at this very moment, germany currently generates 25% of their power from renewables, and can reach 50% or more on sunny days.

[URL="http://grist.org/news/nearly-50-percent-of-new-electricity-generation-added-in-2012-was-renewable/"]50% of new generation built in the USA last year was renewable[/URL]. the future is coming hawker[/QUOTE]

You clearly don't know the difference between tax breaks and subsidies. They receive tax breaks just like ALL industries do. There's even a manufacturing tax break I believe that people count as O&G and Apple and Microsoft use it as well. Are we really counting the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Bill as an O&G tax break? Really?

And wind energy can only compete because of enormous tax breaks. Without them, they wouldn't exist.

And the future is coming? Yeah, no s[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it. It's funny how you think I'm some blood for oil/gas dude totally against new technologies. Again in 2050, all energy will still be majority O&G. I work in O&G because whether you like it or not, people need it. And I like it.

Republican obstructionism approaches all-time nadir of ridiculousness: [url=http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121207/NEWS01/312070087/Sen-Mitch-McConnell-filibusters-own-bill-debt-ceiling-when-Democrats-agree-vote?odyssey=nav%7Chead&nclick_check=1]Senator Mitch McConnell filibustering his own bill.[/url]

They really are out of control.

[QUOTE=MMM]If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture.

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????[/QUOTE]

I think the conservatives only care about Israel.

[QUOTE=Scoooter]Republican obstructionism approaches all-time nadir of ridiculousness: [url=http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121207/NEWS01/312070087/Sen-Mitch-McConnell-filibusters-own-bill-debt-ceiling-when-Democrats-agree-vote?odyssey=nav%7Chead&nclick_check=1]Senator Mitch McConnell filibustering his own bill.[/url]

They really are out of control.[/QUOTE]

woould somebody be able to explain to me what exactly this means? what is filibustering?

and the 'debt ceiling', is that just how much of a debt the government is allowed to go up to?