what you clowns talking about miles going off on kobe? he was on him maybe 2-3 plays at most all game. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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what you clowns talking about miles going off on kobe? he was on him maybe 2-3 plays at most all game. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=chazzy]Dwight's FT shooting really brings down his efficiency. Are you really suggesting that Dwight is currently a better scorer than Kobe? I think you lost it there buddy. You've been fighting a good fight, but you're really reaching man.[/QUOTE]
:lol Always fight a good fight when it comes to Kobe. Just to make it very clear, I like the Lakers and the team, EXCEPT Kobe. So please don't pass me off as some Laker hater, I just dislike Kobe.
Howards efficiency is fine is we are talking about his FG attempts. If we are talking about his free throw shooting, then we are going into something too complex to argue. Free throw shooting puts foul pressure on the other team, if Howard is hitting half of his free throws, that equates to 1 point every 2 free throws, so if a game was to average around 160 fg attempts and 40 free throw attempts(Which is close to average give or take FG attempts to Free throws) and Howard was to shoot 160 free throws instead of 160 fg, and shoot and extra 40 free throw attempts, halve that and you have 100 points for the team...So can someone tell me why a guy shooting 50% of his free throws is not only efficient but also puts the opponent in foul trouble?
Kobe Bryant: The only player in the league that gets all of the credit when the Lakers win, and none of the blame when they lose.
Must be nice.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Kobe Bryant: The only player in the league that gets all of the credit when the Lakers win, and none of the blame when they lose.
Must be nice.[/QUOTE]
LOL what are you talking about? According to ESPN and everyone here, the Lakers lost because KOBE scored 30+.
Where have you been lol? Kobe needs stop averaging 29/5/5 on 49% because he's causing this team to lose. It's his fault why they are losing. I think he should average about 10 points a game, maybe the lakers will win then.
[quote=swag2011]Kobe needs stop averaging 29/5/5 on 49%[/quote]
Means absolutely NOTHING when his team's record is 1-10.
[QUOTE=swag2011]LOL what are you talking about? According to ESPN and everyone here, the Lakers lost because KOBE scored 30+.
Where have you been lol? Kobe needs stop averaging 29/5/5 on 49% because he's causing this team to lose. It's his fault why they are losing. I think he should average about 10 points a game, maybe the lakers will win then.[/QUOTE]
Scoring 30 a game doesn't rid Kobe of blame. His defense has been trash and he isn't getting his teammates involved enough. As long as Nash and/or Pau are sitting on that bench, Kobe should be racking up 7-9 assists per game; if he can STILL score 30, why can't he make the guys around him better? :confusedshrug:
kobe should just continue what hes doing, just block out what his teammates and coaches and media says....
He should let the offense be run through Dwight and concentrate on playing some d. CJ Miles should never be scoring that much.
I've got a feeling the rest of the LA squad wants Kobe out for a few games then steamroll the league like a pancake. Like that's going to happen though :lol
Chemistry Issues suck
[QUOTE=B-Easy8][B]He should let the offense be run through Dwight[/B] and concentrate on playing some d. CJ Miles should never be scoring that much.[/QUOTE]
i agree. and the knicks should run theirs through chandler.
[quote=bluechox2]kobe should just continue what hes doing, just block out what his teammates and coaches and media says....[/quote]
I agree. Because so far, it has produced a winning record for LA! :bowdown:
Kobe has been great offensively. He scores more in losses because he's desperately trying to carry the team, and not getting enough help. Dwight can't shoot more, until he can make more than 1/2 FTA. Until he can score somewhat efficiently at the line, every team will just hack him when he gets good position.
[QUOTE=swi7ch]Means absolutely NOTHING when his team's record is 1-10.[/QUOTE]
So Kobe's the reason Dwight gets stripped of the ball several times per game? Kobe's the reason that none of his teammates can hit shots? Kobe's the reason that no one is playing any defense. Kobe's defense HAS been poor, but he's been the ONLY bright spot for the Lakers this year. Had he not scored or been playing this well, Lakers would've probably only won a game or 2.
I've never been a fan of Kobe's game because of the lack of balance and poor decision making traits throughout the majority of his career. However, the blame he has received the last few years has been laughable. The Lakers from top to bottom have been a mess and has more impact on their form then Kobe scoring 30 points in losses.
[QUOTE=Rysio]i agree. and the knicks should run theirs through chandler.[/QUOTE]
Best C in the league compared to a guy that can only dunk on offense.
I'm sure most of us have played some sort of recreational basketball at one point or another. We've all played on a team with the guy who takes just about every shot. Even though he makes a lot of them, it turns the rest of us into spectators because we know he's just going to come down, go one on one, and put the shot up. For me personally, it kills my desire to hustle, to play D, to crash the boards. So for the people saying "don't blame Kobe, he's shooting such a high percentage!" when a person dominates the ball like he does, the rest of the team puts forth much less effort.
[QUOTE=B-Easy8]Best C in the league compared to a guy that can only dunk on offense.[/QUOTE]
as opposed to dwight who will give u missed free throws, stripped ball, terrible hook shots in addition to the dunks
[QUOTE=Ken_Masters]I'm sure most of us have played some sort of recreational basketball at one point or another. We've all played on a team with the guy who takes just about every shot. Even though he makes a lot of them, it turns the rest of us into spectators because we know he's just going to come down, go one on one, and put the shot up. For me personally, it kills my desire to hustle, to play D, to crash the boards. So for the people saying "don't blame Kobe, he's shooting such a high percentage!" when a person dominates the ball like he does, the rest of the team puts forth much less effort.[/QUOTE]
when u are getting paid millions to play ball u need to put effort regardless whether u are getting the shots or not
that's an indictment on the mentality of the players
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Scoring 30 a game doesn't rid Kobe of blame. His defense has been trash and he isn't getting his teammates involved enough. As long as Nash and/or Pau are sitting on that bench, Kobe should be racking up 7-9 assists per game; if he can STILL score 30, why can't he make the guys around him better? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Getting assists =/= Making teammates better. Just passing the ball to them =/= making them better either.
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when u are getting paid millions to play ball u need to put effort regardless whether u are getting the shots or not
that's an indictment on the mentality of the players[/QUOTE]
this. your a scrub do your job.
[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]Getting assists =/= Making teammates better. Just passing the ball to them =/= making them better either.[/QUOTE]
the point still stand though, that if kobe is capable of getting 30 a night, he should be getting his teammates more easily looks (and as a result of that more assists), regardless of how one defines 'making your teammates better'
[QUOTE=Ken_Masters]I'm sure most of us have played some sort of recreational basketball at one point or another. We've all played on a team with the guy who takes just about every shot. Even though he makes a lot of them, it turns the rest of us into spectators because we know he's just going to come down, go one on one, and put the shot up. For me personally, it kills my desire to hustle, to play D, to crash the boards. So for the people saying "don't blame Kobe, he's shooting such a high percentage!" when a person dominates the ball like he does, the rest of the team puts forth much less effort.[/QUOTE]
spot on !.....makes your teammates say "why should we run and bust your ass, when this clown just shoots everytime he has the chance"
[QUOTE=chips93]the point still stand though, that if kobe is capable of getting 30 a night, he should be getting his teammates more easily looks (and as a result of that more assists), regardless of how one defines 'making your teammates better'[/QUOTE]
1. Guys still have to make shots
2. If Kobe is having to score 30 a night (and shoot more) because his teammates are sucking, then he isn't going to get more assists usually.
3. The Lakers' offense is still off kilter, most likely due to it being new. Timing is off (hence the high turnovers), spacing is bad lots of times and there isn't as much opportunity for assists when the only two people capable of running the pick and roll are Kobe and Dwight and teams will simply foul Howard or leave shooters open. Outside of the last couple of games the Lakers shooters (Jamison, Meeks mainly) were all struggling.
4. Dwight is the other main offensive option. Throwing it to him in the post is going to not result in an assist more times than not.
I don't understand how you can say with such certainty that a guy should get a certain number of assists. That's like me saying LeBron should average 9+ assists since he plays with D. Wade, Bosh and a myriad of shooters. It doesn't work like that.
I never really liked Kobe at alll.. He is a punk in my eyes... But he has been playing very well, and I dont think you can put too much blame on him for the team's record when he scores 30+.
Kobe is not lebron or Magic... He is a scorer.. When things get tough, kobe starts scoring. He is basically trying to keep his team in the game, so he does what he does best. score.. He's older now so of course his defense wont be as good as it was.
Usually I would say he needs to score less and distribute to his teammates, but they have problems on defense and his teammates arent scoring with the same efficiency he is.
Lakers have some guys who should be able to affect the game without having the basketball in their hands alot.D howard needs to bring more defensive presence... Somebody else has to get going, and to me, D howard is the guy who has to step up match kobe's play.
you shouldnt lose to Cleveland with the guys you have on your roster :no: and I cant really blame Kobe because he is doing what kobe does.. Somebody else has to help him
[QUOTE=Rysio]this. your a scrub do your job.[/QUOTE]
But these aren't scrubs. These guys were superstars in high school and college, and MWP was a star in the NBA and DH is a superstar. And people don't play harder cuz they getting paid. They play harder cuz they love the game.
But when one guy just shot jacks everything and doesn't even play D himself what is the team going to do? **** that. I wouldn't care if I was making millions...I got my money...I'm getting paid regardless...if my teammate wants to control the ball 99% of the time and then toss people under the bus for losses and the coaching staff don't do shit....you think I'm gonna play HARDER?!??!
Hahahahah...hell ****ing no.
[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]Getting assists =/= Making teammates better. Just passing the ball to them =/= making them better either.[/QUOTE]
Finding guys open (and passing in general) isn't something Kobe has done very effectively. Look at his turnovers.
He's been putting the ball in the hoop efficiency. No doubt - and you really can't blame him for what he does best. You're right. You still can't ignore the issues I stated above, though.
In the regular season, LA had shaq who was as bad as Dwight in free throws.. Theres 2 differences now...
Shaq has never lost confidence and continued to dominate not making his free throws.
Dwight sulks and loses focus easier than Shaq. As lazy as Shaq may have been compared to Dwight in training, Shaq was a gamer who never let the game shake him.
Kobe Bryant would feast during hack a shaq because because he would penetrate to the basket and not shooting a lot of long jumpers....
Kobe now doesnt have the speed to consistently hit the basket anymore. Thats why LA cant capitalize on Dwights short coming.
I would love to see Free throw attempts under hack a shaq for kobe compared to Dwight. Im sure Kobe of 2000-2004 averaged more free throw attempts.
LA has a tricky situation....
Honestly, They should make Gasol primary scorer for now with Dwight playing clean up and defending. They may lose him in the offseason if they give Pau more touches.
Either way this team will be broken up by next offseason I believe. If they hover 3-4 games above 500 by all star break, they will ride it out.
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I never really liked Kobe at alll.. He is a punk in my eyes... But he has been playing very well, and I dont think you can put too much blame on him for the team's record when he scores 30+.
[B]Dude, the Lakers are 1-10 when he scores 30+! If it was 1-3, OK I can I understand. 1-5, meh sh!t happens. But at 1-10 you have to start wondering what's really going on.
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Kobe is not lebron or Magic... He is a scorer.. When things get tough, kobe starts scoring. He is basically trying to keep his team in the game, so he does what he does best. score.. He's older now so of course his defense wont be as good as it was.
[B]If what you do best is still allowing scrubs to have career highs on your watch, then maybe it's time to go with plan B, or maybe plan "D" for Defense.[/B]
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Usually I would say he needs to score less and distribute to his teammates, but they have problems on defense and his teammates arent scoring with the same efficiency he is.
[B]As many "All Defense" teams as he's been on, Kobe should at least be able to motivate and or give pointers to guys on the defensive end. Letting him off the hook because he's scoring a lot doesn't help his teammates who aren't as great defensively as he's "supposed" to be. Teach guys how to rotate, play the passing lanes, force opponents to help, ANYTHING!!
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Lakers have some guys who should be able to affect the game without having the basketball in their hands alot.D howard needs to bring more defensive presence... Somebody else has to get going, and to me, D howard is the guy who has to step up match kobe's play.
[B]Running sets where the ball's in motion, not only gives the entire team "touches", but it also keeps everyone alert and ready to score, if needed. If your leader's only goal is to score, and you're left watching him do his thing, your first instinct is to let your guard down, because you figure "hey, I won't see the ball anyway".
Getting touches is not just about scoring, it's about keeping the defense honest, and showing a united front. Even Bulls Dennis Rodman got touches, and the last thing on his mind was scoring.
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you shouldnt lose to Cleveland with the guys you have on your roster :no: and I cant really blame Kobe because he is doing what kobe does.. Somebody else has to help him
[B]Leaders get blamed for losses, always have and always will. Kobe's not a young sidekick anymore, who can just pass the buck while shooting till his heart's content. He's a 17 year vet with enough accolades where he should be expected to lead on a decent level by now. If Scottie Pippen can do it in his 8th year in the league, then so can Kobe.
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its not kobe scoring 30+ thats the problem,ITS HOW HE DOES IT THAT IS.
HE took 28 shots to the rest of LAKERS 47,
28/75 near 40% of the shots were KOBE.
He needs to get his teammates more involved and develop a rhythm and shoot within the flow of the game rather than IM KOBE MR 30000,MY TEAM,MY BALL type games hes been playing lately and 2004-2007 ways.
Getting more shots than gasol,mwp,and howard combined almost is just baffling,and stupid.Gasol should get 12-15,DH 12-15,Kobe 18-25.
Kobe can sore 30 but when nobody gets the ball besides him much its hard to get into a rhythm and develop a consistent shooting streak,his teammates are being frozen out and then expected to make shots,and the fact that Kobe has been playing PTS MATTER,DEFENSE DOESNT hasnt been helping either.
Look at Lebron scores 25-30 pts a game,involves teammates,instead jacking up shots,team wins,Durant same thing
Kobe and the Lakers would be more efficient if Kobe avgs 24-26,5-7,5-7 on 18-24 fg with 55% shooting picking his spots,within the flow rather than 29,5,5 on 25fg 48% shootin playing the KOBE SYSTEM
since hes one of the greats and emulates Jordan so much but plays like AI with the ball he should learn from example
Jordan got his but it didnt disrupt the flow or rhythm of players he picked his spots and did what he did,games where he had to take over he did,he initiated the offense,he fed teammates all the while still scoring efficiently and being num1
Kobe can too,Play within the offense not within the KOBE OFFENSE
pick his spots,read the defense,react get ur shots cause otherwise
Lakers will keep losing bc people know how to beat them like 06-07 season,KOBE gets his,teammates out they lose
The Lakers are not a ONEMAN Team with Kobe and scrubs and he has to shoot to win,they have an inside presence with DWIGHT and did with gasol,
Durant can get 30,Lebron but they arent just chucking or going me mode with other stars on the team they do it within the flow and at 50% plus on 18-22 shots are doing it even better than Kobe while their team wins
17 Years,30000 pts,CAN AFFORD TO GET HIS SHOTS WITHIN THE FLOW,
The Lakers season will all depend on KOBE NOW,Either he goes for 30 and guns for scoring record and to prove hes still the man or plays within the flow gets 23-26 pts a game and wins RING NUM6
[quote]Dude, the Lakers are 1-10 when he scores 30+! If it was 1-3, OK I can I understand. 1-5, meh sh!t happens. But at 1-10 you have to start wondering what's really going on.
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what's going on is that the other pieces of the team need to start working like kobe is. Not saying kobe is perfect, but he is contributing something positive to the team.
[quote]If what you do best is still allowing scrubs to have career highs on your watch, then maybe it's time to go with plan B, or maybe plan "D" for Defense.
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In case you missed it, I addressed the defensive end. Kobe cant guard people the way he used to. They need some perimeter defense and most of all they need D howard to man the paint and spark something on D.
[quote]As many "All Defense" teams as he's been on, Kobe should at least be able to motivate and or give pointers to guys on the defensive end. Letting him off the hook because he's scoring a lot doesn't help his teammates who aren't as great defensively as he's "supposed" to be. Teach guys how to rotate, play the passing lanes, force opponents to help, ANYTHING!![/quote]
:biggums: this is the f*ckin NBA.. He's not teachin anybody how to play defense on this level, especially in the twilight of his career.. thats silly.. The lakers have defensive coaching and some players who should be able to have an effect on defense... Its not all on kobe to get other professional players to play up to their potential.. He is already giving the team cover by keeping them in games that probably dont belong in..
[quote]Running sets where the ball's in motion, not only gives the entire team "touches", but it also keeps everyone alert and ready to score, if needed. If your leader's only goal is to score, and you're left watching him do his thing, your first instinct is to let your guard down, because you figure "hey, I won't see the ball anyway".
Getting touches is not just about scoring, it's about keeping the defense honest, and showing a united front. Even Bulls Dennis Rodman got touches, and the last thing on his mind was scoring.
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I was about to agree overall until you said Dennis Rodman got touches :roll:
you just negated your whole point by mentioning Rodman.. Rodman didnt need touches to be Dennis Rodman... Rodman loved to rebound and play defense... He would pass up shots on purpose.. A guy with Dennis Rodman mentality is exactly what they lakers need. Somebody who will hsutle regardless. I dont wanna hear about players sulking because they dont get to touch the ball....
like some great coaches say "you want the ball? well then go get it.."
Kobe is a scorer, not a distributer, not really a playmaker.....and he is scoring pretty well right now.. cant point the finger at him first..
[quote][B]Leaders get blamed for losses, always have and always will. [/B]Kobe's not a young sidekick anymore, who can just pass the buck while shooting till his heart's content. He's a 17 year vet with enough accolades where he should be expected to lead on a decent level by now. If Scottie Pippen can do it in his 8th year in the league, then so can Kobe.[/quote]
Doesnt make it logical... Presidents get blamed for gas prices :confusedshrug:
Kobe is a 17 year vet. And he doing what he has always done. You cant expect him to turn into a distributer/facilitator who gets the most out of his teammates :oldlol: Kobe has never been that kind of player.
Why would you expect it from him in his 17th year? He is what he is. waiting for him to change is a mistake because it isnt going to happen
I dont even like kobe, so this my being a homer... Im just saying that he the one player on the team who isnt going to change, and he is the one player who is basically fulfilling his role right now. They need the other players to step it up. I dont see a time where kobe isnt the number 1 scoring option on the floor. Any body waiting for him to take a back seat should forget about it
I don't understand what he's supposed to do. His team is behind so he starts scoring bunches on remarkable efficiency. What's wrong with that again?
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]I don't understand what he's supposed to do. His team is behind so he starts scoring bunches on remarkable efficiency. What's wrong with that again?[/QUOTE]
Forgetting to stop the other team from doing the same thing.
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Wasn't Metta defending Miles? If we're gonna put so much blame for the team's defense on Kobe, how come he doesn't get credit when they're good defensively? He's been playing this way for years. You guys overrate the impact of a single perimeter defender, when the problem lies in a lack of team chemistry and rotations, and physical lack of speed to get back in transition. Not to mention effort.
Miami's had an even worse start defensively while nearly giving up the most 3s in the league, but no one's pinning their woes on individual perimeter players. The problem there is their scheme - over playing and trapping, while packing in the paint to make up for their size.
"Why isn't Lebron's generosity inspiring his teammates to play harder on defense?" :oldlol:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Finding guys open (and passing in general) isn't something Kobe has done very effectively. Look at his turnovers.[/QUOTE]
He has been turning the ball over more but like I said it's because the offense is still new and guys are adjusting. His turnovers were high last year too when he had to do more freelancing instead of having the ball be taken out of his hands. When you're a 34 year old vet that's relied on to be the primary (and only reliable) perimeter scorer and facilitator your turnovers will be higher.
I'm not saying he's been perfect, but people really need to read between the lines instead of just saying that his offense has been a detriment to the team. It seems it's only like this with Kobe: He plays well in a loss and it's all his fault. But if the Lakers win he was carried and wasn't the main reason for their success.
Kobe can "adapt" to any staff/player changes, but not to his FGA. :roll:
They're losing games because they can't get any timely stops. Their defense is middle of the pack but drops to the 5th worst in the league in crunch time. Think about how many close games they've lost this year and that tells you the story right there.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]Forgetting to stop the other team from doing the same thing.
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Damn, blaming Kobe for the faulty team defense?
[QUOTE=Hank]28 shots taken,, 2 assists.
And Kobe's defensive assignment has a career night.
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Artest was on Cj dumbass
Every time Kobe begins to score is when the team goes down 20pts, and he tries to bring tge team back and most of the time Lakers get close but cant finish games when his teamates keep makinf dumbass decsions
[QUOTE=Ken_Masters]I'm sure most of us have played some sort of recreational basketball at one point or another. We've all played on a team with the guy who takes just about every shot. Even though he makes a lot of them, it turns the rest of us into spectators because we know he's just going to come down, go one on one, and put the shot up. For me personally, it kills my desire to hustle, to play D, to crash the boards. So for the people saying "don't blame Kobe, he's shooting such a high percentage!" when a person dominates the ball like he does, the rest of the team puts forth much less effort.[/QUOTE]
Just shows u dont watch any Laker games. Makes u sound ignorant, Kobe has been playing team ball, the problem is his teammates cant score, pass or shoot. And before you know it Lakers are down 20, and thats when Kobe begins to take ovet games and to his credit he brings the Lakers back within striking distance but its hard to close out games when ur center is being fouled and dont have a reliable second option