"Rape Crew" in small town Ohio

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]Well according to google, this is Trent Mays and Malik Richmond:

[IMG]http://rantsthoughtsmerde.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/steubenville-football.jpg?w=620&h=407[/IMG]


I didn't know they let people who don't make the team or quit take pictures, which are taken towards the end of the season :confusedshrug: How are they not on the team and included on the roster but they're not team members?

Honestly to me it looks like you're defending pedos and the enablers of racists. I mean shyt, how many pedo friends have you already admitted to having and defended in this thread? Like 3 confirmed child porn collectors. Is the ISH community really gona allow this pedo to try to convince people not to be outraged. Fvck that noise. RBA resident pedo over here trying to get his buddies off the hook; probably chills with the rape crew daily[/QUOTE]
You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

And, if you want to blindly accept the word of some nameless, faceless blogger on the Internet, that is your perogative, but I would encourage you to download the guy's email whom you are labeling a "pedo" and find proof to back it up. His email account is available through kyAnonymous and can be easily found.

There is a good reason why there has been no police action or prosecution of any of that stuff... Because there is absolutely no evidence to support it. But, by all means... Continue being a sheep and believing something just because you read it in a blog. Are we really to that point in our society? Proof or facts are no longer mandatory to destroy someone's reputation in the court of public opinion?

Sad.

Wow. What a thread. Haven't been following this story at all.

[QUOTE=iamgine]Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.[/QUOTE]
Holy ****ing Cow! Real rape! You should be ashamed of yourself.

Guess what? Adminstering a date rape drug to a woman and fingering her is legally real rape in Ohio.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

And, if you want to blindly accept the word of some nameless, faceless blogger on the Internet, that is your perogative, but I would encourage you to download the guy's email whom you are labeling a "pedo" and find proof to back it up. His email account is available through kyAnonymous and can be easily found.

There is a good reason why there has been no police action or prosecution of any of that stuff... Because there is absolutely no evidence to support it. But, by all means... Continue being a sheep and believing something just because you read it in a blog. Are we really to that point in our society? Proof or facts are no longer mandatory to destroy someone's reputation in the court of public opinion?

Sad.[/QUOTE]

Did you even click the link I posted? Its a picture of those two kids wearing the towns football uniforms; you know, the individual players pictures that are usually taken midseason? Why is it that all links being presented seem to go against everything you're saying?

I'm calling pedo on this one. You make me sick you fvcking pedo and your pedo town; trying to change the subject and make these kids and the town out to be the victims. Fvck that pedo ass town

When you say "they didnt ever play" you probably mean not that season. However, if they had played the 3 years prior, it's kind of safe to call them football players for the town :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Adminstering a date rape drug to a woman and fingering her is legally real rape in Ohio.[/QUOTE]
Prosecution is not alleging a date rape drug was used. I've not seen that even noted as a possibility by any credible source.

Completely agree that fingers constitute rape, though. That isn't even up for debate.

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]Did you even click the link I posted? Its a picture of those two kids wearing the towns football uniforms; you know, the individual players pictures that are usually taken midseason? Why is it that all links being presented seem to go against everything you're saying?[/quote]
...because I'm well aware of the facts of the case since this is nothing new to me (unlike you). This has been a very widely covered case for six months in the Northeastern Ohio region. It was huge news when the players were arrested in mid-August, you idiot.

If you did proper research, you wouldn't look like a fool.

[url]http://www.news-register.net/page/content.detail/id/573262/Teens-Face-Rape-Charge--Two-Arre---.html[/url]

Note the date on that article... Aug. 22. The high school football season in Ohio begins the last week of August. I guess they were breaking out of jail each Friday night to suit up?


[QUOTE=MetsPackers]I'm calling pedo on this one. You make me sick you fvcking pedo and your pedo town; trying to change the subject and make these kids and the town out to be the victims. Fvck that pedo ass town

When you say "they didnt ever play" you probably mean not that season. However, if they had played the 3 years prior, it's kind of safe to call them football players for the town :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Once again, you are a moron who is just talking out of his @ss.

Both kids were sophomores. They never played a down for the varsity football team. They played on the freshman team the year prior to the rape allegations. Then again, what does that have to do with anything?

You dolt.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August. [/QUOTE]

A couple of things. I think RBA is correct that we need to look at the facts of this case beyond rumors on the internet. (For example, it's unclear if the girl was administered a date rape drug or was just very drunk.)

However, the man you cited as a role model, seemed to threaten a news reporter. Has he taken responsibility and issued an apology? He also doesn't seem to have been very rigorous in terms of getting to the bottom of what happened. If a couple of players who were no-innocent bystanders weren't discovered until halfway trough the season and especially if the coach claimed not to look at evidence on the internet, how throroughly did he try to get to the bottom of this. He blew up at the Times reporter when they were pressing just this issue.[QUOTE]Approached in November to be interviewed about the case, Saccoccia said he did not

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]A couple of things. I think RBA is correct that we need to look at the facts of this case beyond rumors on the internet. (For example, it's unclear if the girl was administered a date rape drug or was just very drunk.)[/quote]
If we are going to judge this case based on the facts, the date rape drug thing is already dead. It isn't something being alleged by prosecution. It will be very interesting when the trial begins, because then we will have actual facts to cite instead of random rumors from the 'net. No one truly knows what happened that night, myself included, except those who were there.

I've said from the very start of this case that, if these allegations are proven, I am in complete support of punishment to the fullest extent of the law all of those involved.


[QUOTE=KevinNYC]However, the man you cited as a role model, seemed to threaten a news reporter. Has he taken responsibility and issued an apology? He also doesn't seem to have been very rigorous in terms of getting to the bottom of what happened. If a couple of players who were no-innocent bystanders weren't discovered until halfway trough the season and especially if the coach claimed not to look at evidence on the internet, how throroughly did he try to get to the bottom of this. He blew up at the Times reporter when they were pressing just this issue.[/quote]
I addressed this a few pages back...

I'm not sure exactly what happened with the reporter, but what I've heard (and it sounds plausible) is that he had been hounded for days and repeatedly told them no comment. Finally, he was walking to his car and he was approached by these two NYT reporters. An argument ensued and words were had between all parties.

I'm not defending the statements, but I'm also not going to throw out my 33 years of knowing the man and his entire life's work out the window based on an argument with a newspaper reporter. Again, this isn't a random person in a random news piece that I just happened to stumble upon and it is all I have to base opinions on. I've known this guy all my life.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Also it's just silly to pretend that these two were not associated with the football team because they were arrested before the season began. That's defense lawyer spin. They were expected to be stars on the football team (and I assume played some form of football freshman year.) It hurts your credibility to pretend otherwise. From the Times article.[/QUOTE]

First, I don't remember ever saying these guys were not associated with the football team. Did I say that? If so, please cite it. If that's what I said, it was inaccurate. I was correcting completely inaccurate statements being made by that guy in above postings.

Second, both defendants, from what I've heard, were very good athletes and expected to have a bright future on the football field. I also don't remember stating otherwise. I never saw either of them play, but I do know that to be the case.

I can't stress enough the level to which this has absolutely nothing to do with football for me, though. I honestly could not care less how any of this impacts a high school football. This goes way beyond games being played by teenagers.

Bringing any criminal acts to justice is absolutely foremost on my list of concerns. But, this case has gone far beyond any normal circumstances for a crime and potential punishment. A lot of people are being implicated without proof... There are a couple of those people, particularly Saccoccia, who I will continue to defend until the time where there is any evidence to justify the accusations. Anyone who knows the man would laugh at the idea of him being the mastermind of a criminal organization.

As of this date, there has been nothing other than rumor and innuendo. The trial starts next month and I'll be happy when it begins.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]...because I'm well aware of the facts of the case since this is nothing new to me (unlike you). This has been a very widely covered case for six months in the Northeastern Ohio region. It was huge news when the players were arrested in mid-August, you idiot.

If you did proper research, you wouldn't look like a fool.

[url]http://www.news-register.net/page/content.detail/id/573262/Teens-Face-Rape-Charge--Two-Arre---.html[/url]

Note the date on that article... Aug. 22. The high school football season in Ohio begins the last week of August. I guess they were breaking out of jail each Friday night to suit up?



Once again, you are a moron who is just talking out of his @ss.

Both kids were sophomores. They never played a down for the varsity football team. They played on the freshman team the year prior to the rape allegations. Then again, what does that have to do with anything?

You dolt.[/QUOTE]

LMAO so first they never played a down for the team, then they never played a down for the varsity team and had played the year before? :roll:

I think the fact that they had played football for the school the year before and were only not on the team this year because they were in jail constitutes them being football players, you dolt. I was initially just trolling cuz u mad but now you've really kind of exposed yourself here. These kids are clearly associated with the football team and played for it while you play directly into the stereotype the media portrays; biased small town people doing anything they can to distinguish this crime from their prized football team :roll:

News flash: The freshman football team is still part of the football team

Now you're the one twisting facts. As someone who played high school football I can tell you that if you played the year before, and were for some reason banned the next season, you are still considered "a football player". They clearly still associated with other team members as well. You typed your responses as if they had no ties to the football team at all when that is clearly not the case. Little white lies like that are the kind of thing that leads the media to believe there is a cover up

Also, just because the prosecution isn't including some of the alleged facts in their argument does not mean they are not true; it simply means they can not prove them. Didn't the girl say that she thought she got slipped something? Since she reported it 3 days later they obviously would not be able to find the drug in her system depending of it's halflife, so they wouldn't even pursue it at all.

It's also this kind of stuff like "No it has been completely ruled out which is why it won't be included", which is just as sensational and assuming as the stuff you are condemning. I was just trolling at first but now I really see what people are saying, you're borderline delusional when it comes to reasonably assessing the facts of this case

These kids are innocent.

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]These kids are innocent.[/QUOTE]

Probably.

But they will be found guilty regardless: the prosecutor has too much ammunition on their side.

1. The girl was passed out.

2. The boy in the video admitted she was passed out.

3. Multiple boys slept with her which means the sex was not consensual.

Even though she was a slut and slept with the boys before, in this instance, there was no telling whether or not it was consensual.

Those boys are f*cked.

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]LMAO so first they never played a down for the team, then they never played a down for the varsity team and had played the year before? :roll: [/quote]
No. I said to you right from the start that they were sophomores who played on the freshman team the year prior. Hell, you were trying to argue that they played this past season. You've been all over the map. Frankly, it is hard to keep up with you.

I'm still confused as to what this has to do with anything. Really, who cares? They never played a down of football for the varsity, freshman, jayvee, 8th grade team, intramural squad, etc. after the allegations came to light, so why is it even of consequence?

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]I think the fact that they had played football for the school the year before and were only not on the team this year because they were in jail constitutes them being football players, you dolt. [/quote]
Where did I say they weren't football players? Cite the post.

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]I was initially just trolling cuz u mad but now you've really kind of exposed yourself here. These kids are clearly associated with the football team and played for it while you play directly into the stereotype the media portrays; biased small town people doing anything they can to distinguish this crime from their prized football team :roll: [/quote]
:roll:

I couldn't give two shits about the football team. I don't live in the city anymore and don't follow/attend/whatever high school football games. It is literally the last thing on my mind. The fact that you are so caught up with who played on what team and when shows that YOU are the one focusing on football, not me. They can banish football in the city for all I care.

I'm defending the coach, not because he is a football coach, but because he is a personal friend.

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]News flash: The freshman football team is still part of the football team[/quote]
Honestly, who cares? What the hell difference does it make?

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]Now you're the one twisting facts. As someone who played high school football I can tell you that if you played the year before, and were for some reason banned the next season, you are still considered "a football player". They clearly still associated with other team members as well. You typed your responses as if they had no ties to the football team at all when that is clearly not the case. Little white lies like that are the kind of thing that leads the media to believe there is a cover up[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah... That makes complete sense.

Let's accuse people of a cover-up based on a completely benign conversation of what constitutes being a member of a team. :oldlol:

Newsflash: For anyone who has been following the case for more than 48 hours, it is widely known the situation with those who have been arrested and their extracurricular activities. Everyone knows they played football as freshmen. Everyone knows they were arrested prior to their sophomore seasons.

I guess I assumed you knew more about the case than you actually did. But, the idea you think I was trying to hide the fact that they were on the frosh team is literally comical. This information isn't exactly difficult to ascertain. What it has to do with a cover-up? That is anyone's guess.

I find it rather amusing that RBA, one of the more liberal posters here (and I don't mean that as an insult) is accusing the media of being biased and distorting the facts to fit their own agenda.

RBA always been one of the first people to call for internet justice. Now the gun is pointed at his people and he lost his cheerleader's spirit[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack] Or, as it is also known, completely manufactured content.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]

At least you've gone beyond the localleaks nonsense, [/QUOTE]

Losers like phoenix always trying to latch onto the larger personalities off this board.
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]:applause: RBA doing work

Good posts[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Probably.

But they will be found guilty regardless: the prosecutor has too much ammunition on their side.

1. The girl was passed out.

2. The boy in the video admitted she was passed out.

3. Multiple boys slept with her which means the sex was not consensual.

Even though she was a slut and slept with the boys before, in this instance, there was no telling whether or not it was consensual.

Those boys are f*cked.[/QUOTE]

Your incoherence is staggering. Shorter Rambo24.

[I]These boys are innocent. Here are three reasons they are guilty[/I]

[QUOTE=9erempiree]

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[/QUOTE]i don't understand a word of that

The media is going to tear apart the town. The Sheriff and Coach should just step down if they love their community.

What astounds me are these ridiculous tweets and videos. I guess if you are capable of committing these awful acts you are capable of making it stupidly visible.

The actual rape itself is unfortunately not as shocking, as rape to more extreme degrees happens a lot more than it gets reported.

[QUOTE=Pushxx]What astounds me are these ridiculous tweets and videos. I guess if you are capable of committing these awful acts you are capable of making it stupidly visible.

The actual rape itself is unfortunately not as shocking, as rape to more extreme degrees happens a lot more than it gets reported.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Now, of course, I don't condone what happened but social media is destroying society when a bunch of kids have no remorse by posting it.

If there were no social media than we wouldn't have to see these disgusting acts.

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]I find it rather amusing that RBA, one of the more liberal posters here (and I don't mean that as an insult) is accusing the media of being biased and distorting the facts to fit their own agenda.[/QUOTE]
This but he's only human so he has many flaws

[QUOTE=9erempiree]I agree.

Now, of course, I don't condone what happened but social media is destroying society when a bunch of kids have no remorse by posting it.

[B]If there were no social media than we wouldn't have to see these disgusting acts[/B].[/QUOTE]

so we wouldnt have to see them but they would still be going on.. thats what you want?

Is the actual rape footage floating around anywhere on the web? Just wondering.

[QUOTE=ace23]Is the actual rape footage floating around anywhere on the web? Just wondering.[/QUOTE]
:durantunimpressed:

This trial is currently going on.

[QUOTE]Teammates of two high school football players from Ohio accused of raping a girl at a party last summer testified on Friday they saw their classmates commit sex acts on the girl during the alcohol-fueled events that night.

A third witness, a friend of the defendants who was also granted immunity, said he saw both defendants making sexual contact with her while she appeared to be passed out, naked and face down on a basement floor.

"She wasn't moving. She wasn't talking. She wasn't participating," said Anthony Craig, 18.

Mark Cole, a teammate granted immunity for his testimony, said he recorded a video of Mays performing the act on the girl during a car ride between houses in Steubenville the night of the party, but deleted it the next morning.

"It was one of those moments when you realize you did something wrong or stupid," Cole said during testimony in which he also said he drank eight to 10 beers that night and his memory of the evening was foggy.

Evan Westlake, who also was granted immunity, testified he saw Richmond commit a sex act on the girl on the basement floor of a house the same night last August.

Mays and Richmond are accused of raping the girl when she was too drunk to move or speak. She told police she did not remember what happened, but reported the incident the next day after she heard details from friends. The boys have denied raping her and say any sex that happened was consensual.[/QUOTE]



[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/us/in-ohio-rape-trial-testimony-on-a-girls-drinking.html?_r=0[/url][QUOTE]A state forensics investigator, Joann Gibb, methodically quoted from text messages that she said came from the phone of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, 17, and from the phones of friends and classmates. The messages described the inebriated girl as

Honestly, this county prosecutor has to be thanking her stars. Case with national coverage and it's probably the easiest one she'll ever litigate.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]This trial is currently going on.[/QUOTE]
And, as I said months ago, the rumors of widespread corruption and a conspiracy have been pretty much put to rest.

These quotes are from the Ohio State Attorney General, who has been investigating the alleged crime since August...

[IMG]http://oi50.tinypic.com/15qot8l.jpg[/IMG]


NY Times:

[IMG]http://oi45.tinypic.com/2urw5qx.jpg[/IMG]



As for the case itself, Jane Doe took the stand earlier today. She testified that she didn't want to press charges. Her father forced her to go to the police. However, I'd say it isn't looking too good for the defendants at this stage.

There are three eye-witnesses that say they digitally penetrated the girl while she was unconscious. However, the defense still has not begun their arguments. They will try to argue that, while drunk, the girl was not too incapacitated to consent and that the witnesses received immunity and thus were compelled to testify a certain way.

It is an interesting case, no doubt, but without the widespread corruption and conspiracy angle, it is really not an uncommon crime, unfortunately. That is what compelled this to be an interenational story in the first place. The Local Leaks article in the OP has been thoroughly and completely debunked.

Closing arguments were just given. Verdicts will be issued at 10 a.m. EST tomorrow.

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/2-ohio-teen-football-players-found-guilty-rape-141634407--spt.html"]Guilty[/URL]. Unfortunately the most they can be sentenced to is a juvenile facility until they're 21.

so they actually [I]were[/I] football players.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/2-ohio-teen-football-players-found-guilty-rape-141634407--spt.html"]Guilty[/URL]. Unfortunately the most they can be sentenced to is a juvenile facility until they're 21.[/QUOTE]
I was half expecting a thread title "Kobe's Apprentices Found Guilty"

Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?

[QUOTE=ace23]Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?[/QUOTE]

Follow more of the story.

[QUOTE=ace23]Is the actual rape footage floating around anywhere on the web? Just wondering.[/QUOTE]
There is no "rape footage." No video is in existence.

[QUOTE=ace23]Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?[/QUOTE]
The actual trial revealed the rape consisted of the girl being digitally penetrated in the car ride to the 3rd party and at the 3rd party, a party which consisted of five kids.

I'm not surprised the two were found guilty. I said in my post yesterday that I thought that was the likely verdict. I never argued that these guys were innocent. My thing was always the absurdity of the coverup angle and the obvious lies spread by Local Leaks. I ended up being right on both accounts.

Wtf is "digitally" penetrated.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Wtf is "digitally" penetrated.[/QUOTE]
fingered

Unfortunately in cases like this where the media plays a large role - 99 percent of the time the decision is going to be the safe one. The media needs to do a better job of reporting real issues and not dramatizing controversial stories and hindering the ability of an already faulty judicial system to do it's job.

If they had gotten off some lunatic would have come at them with a sledge hammer.

On the case itself - I'm usually skeptical in these matters. When whether it's rape or not depends on subjective interpretation of the incident, it's really, really difficult.

[QUOTE=ace23]Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?[/QUOTE]

They were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

As discussed earlier in this thread, nonconsensual "fingering" is still rape.

Also being impaired beyond the point when you are capable of giving consent starts way before you are unconscious.

Now that this is done, I want to see everything Anonymous got right and got wrong about this case. It appears, that they got much of it wrong. Considering the cops seem have known about the video of the idiot from Ohio State back in August, did Anonymous contribute anything?

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Wtf is "digitally" penetrated.[/QUOTE]

Wow. That explains a lot.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Unfortunately in cases like this where the media plays a large role - 99 percent of the time the decision is going to be the safe one. The media needs to do a better job of reporting real issues and not dramatizing controversial stories and hindering the ability of an already faulty judicial system to do it's job.

If they had gotten off some lunatic would have come at them with a sledge hammer.

On the case itself - I'm usually skeptical in these matters. When whether it's rape or not depends on subjective interpretation of the incident, it's really, really difficult.[/QUOTE]

I think in this case, it became a big media thing after Anonymous blew the story up and they seem to have a gotten a lot of things wrong.

EDIT
I don't think in this case there was any doubt it was rape. Especially since the guys who were convicted had told their friends how out of it [B]the girl was.[/B]