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[QUOTE=red1]Always get a good laugh hearing miserable penny pinchers rationalize their ways. If you don't approve of the restaurant industry then go home and make yourself a tuna sandwich.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Blacks don't tip. It's not in their nature, they don't understand it.
Also, the standard is 20% now.
[QUOTE=Money 23]Exactly.
Blacks don't tip. It's not in their nature, they don't understand it.
Also, the standard is 20% now.[/QUOTE]
I am black and I tip. You are talking about culture and that is another discussion for another day
tipping in Cali is just dumb since minimum wage is required, whats worse is when you end up eating with people who bust out calculators to tip .
[QUOTE=flipogb]tipping in Cali is just dumb since minimum wage is required, whats worse is when you end up eating with people who bust out calculators to tip .[/QUOTE]
but but but...you can't survive off of minimum wage :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=flipogb]tipping in Cali is just dumb since minimum wage is required, whats worse is when you end up eating with people who bust out calculators to tip .[/QUOTE]
LOL @ busting out calculators for rather simple math
Store clerks who don't receive commission for selling products, and end up being personal shopping guides on top of their required jobs are the people who get screwed the most for not getting just compensation for there service.
[QUOTE=MMM]LOL @ busting out calculators for rather simple math[/QUOTE]
Maybe they are OCD and have to tip at exponentially larger percentages based on the amount of the bill. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]but but but...you can't survive off of minimum wage :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You really can't. Might be even a little bit funny or just sad, but life sucks and it's reality.
[QUOTE=red1]I am black and I tip. You are talking about culture and that is another discussion for another day[/QUOTE]
It's a generality, but usually true. Didn't mean to offend, you know I hold you in high esteem, my dude.
Props for being an african american who tips. :pimp:
[QUOTE=Money 23]It's a generality, but usually true. Didn't mean to offend, you know I hold you in high esteem, my dude.
Props for being an [B]african american[/B] who tips. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
no murrica. african-canadian :pimp:
[QUOTE=Money 23]It's a generality, but usually true. Didn't mean to offend, you know I hold you in high esteem, my dude.
[B]Props for being an african american who tips.[/B] :pimp:[/QUOTE]
What he fck is that supposed to mean?
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]What he fck is that supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]
You know damn well what it means kid, I didn't mince words on your ass. Stand by it, too.
Made a thread about this a few months back, pretty sure you were a heavy contributor to it. Don't play dumb.
[QUOTE=Money 23]You know damn well what it means kid, I didn't mince words on your ass. Stand by it, too.
Made a thread about this a few months back, pretty sure you were a heavy contributor to it. Don't play dumb.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I remember your dumb thread.
[QUOTE=sundizz]Just a ridiculous retarded American mentality and culture. People working hard just because they get tips. I am staying in South Korea and it's every bit (if not much more) modern in living conditions etc. However, with these service industries (cabs, restaurants, etc) you don't tip. What's even crazier..is that the service is still 100x better than back at home. They treat you so well, just because it is their job and they know other people can easily do what they do. They appreciate just having a job and making sure they do a good job at it.
I like the In n Out mentality. Pay a reasonable wage ($9 an hour to start if im not mistaken). Get rid of this tipping wildness. Gotta tip everywhere, bartenders (and I was one), etc. It's ridiculous.
Personally, I like a system better where everyone is rewarded if the company/restaurant is successful. Also, rewards people for staying with a company longer. Turnover is a huge cost and waste of scrills in restaurants. Simply, have a year-end bonus (even for part-time workers). If the company does good, everyone gets rewarded.
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People should do their jobs to the fullest regardless of what they are paid that's why I find the "better service" reasoning of why people tip so disturbing.
The fact is that many countries get by just fine without the concept of tipping makes blatantly defending something such as this is unwise at the very least.
[QUOTE=red1] Like I said, if you don't like the way it works then you take it up with all restaurant owners who are trying keep their business afloat. When you don't tip you are scrooging the wrong people.[/QUOTE]
This pretty much sums it up.
I always wondered if African american be used for any black who lives in the Americas???
[QUOTE=sundizz]Just a ridiculous retarded American mentality and culture. People working hard just because they get tips. I am staying in South Korea and it's every bit (if not much more) modern in living conditions etc. However, with these service industries (cabs, restaurants, etc) you don't tip. What's even crazier..is that the service is still 100x better than back at home. They treat you so well, just because it is their job and they know other people can easily do what they do. They appreciate just having a job and making sure they do a good job at it.
I like the In n Out mentality. Pay a reasonable wage ($9 an hour to start if im not mistaken). Get rid of this tipping wildness. Gotta tip everywhere, bartenders (and I was one), etc. It's ridiculous.
Personally, I like a system better where everyone is rewarded if the company/restaurant is successful. Also, rewards people for staying with a company longer. Turnover is a huge cost and waste of scrills in restaurants. Simply, have a year-end bonus (even for part-time workers). If the company does good, everyone gets rewarded.
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Screw that collectivist bull crap. Lol.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]Most people don't have a good work ethic. If they know they are only getting x amount no matter what, they will do just enough to get by.[/QUOTE]
And that's America for you, this generation at least.
You think some of you capitalist would believe in a system where you can vote with your dollars, have the option to buy better service as you see fit.
I mean what's better than having the option to pay? No one is holding a gun to your head? The one day you don't feel like it or haven't got the money, shit you don't have too. The time you feel good and want to spend some extra money to get yourself some nice service you have the option. It's a win win.
Just because you get self conscious, because you live everyday as a thrifty mofo, and there's a social stigma that goes along to being like that, doesn't me you get to ruin our liberty to tip as we see fit and compensate our fellow man whether or not we want.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]You don't cut corners at work?[/QUOTE]
The only corners I cut are on my bread homeboy.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]I mean what's better than having the option to pay? No one is holding a gun to your head? The one day you don't feel like it or haven't got the money, shit you don't have too. The time you feel good and want to spend some extra money to get yourself some nice service you have the option. It's a win win.
Just because you get self conscious, because you live everyday as a thrifty mofo, and there's a social stigma that goes along to being like that, doesn't me you get to ruin our liberty to tip as we see fit and compensate our fellow man whether or not we want.[/QUOTE]
You don't really have a choice. places charge gratuity if you have a party over 6 now.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]You don't cut corners at work?[/QUOTE]
When i go to work, i go to work. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who go to work and have this expression like "i hate being here." Motha****a get out then. Even if i don't feel like being at work, i put on the show that i'm very thankful to even have some work, because i know what its like to go on a long stretch of odd jobs with no stable employment.
Along with people expecting tips, the ass holes who go to work and be lazy are prime examples of America's lack of work ethic. We don't fight for anything we want unless its something that doesn't mean shit like an ipad, yet wonder why our politicians aren't fighting for us and blame them for everything.
I'm not going to be one to say this country is crumbling, because if anything its on a new horizon, just not one we may expect or want, but the people have very little love for one another, which leaves the country divided and full of excuses for whats wrong without every actually looking at themselves.
[QUOTE=MMM]I always wondered if African american be used for any black who lives in the Americas???[/QUOTE]
Some people in the USA call all black people African American :lol . It is weird. A lot of people also think saying black is offensive.
Yeah I wish i could not give a fvk about tipping but them waitresses be too cute and nice
[QUOTE=Loneshot]When i go to work, i go to work. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who go to work and have this expression like "i hate being here." Motha****a get out then. Even if i don't feel like being at work, i put on the show that i'm very thankful to even have some work, because i know what its like to go on a long stretch of odd jobs with no stable employment.
Along with people expecting tips, the ass holes who go to work and be lazy are prime examples of America's lack of work ethic. We don't fight for anything we want unless its something that doesn't mean shit like an ipad, yet wonder why our politicians aren't fighting for us and blame them for everything.
I'm not going to be one to say this country is crumbling, because if anything its on a new horizon, just not one we may expect or want, but the people have very little love for one another, which leaves the country divided and full of excuses for whats wrong without every actually looking at themselves.[/QUOTE]
This generation takes too many things for granted these days. Just like you said, they work for the tip when they should be working for a check. If they don't get a tip or a low tip, their night is ruined. It's like they're gonna be rude to everyone aster the person (or in their word assholes) who didn't tip.
When I go to work, I do my job and I like it. If I don't like it (which I really do like my job except for the first 2 hours it gets crazy but after ot settled down.) Even if I'm having a bad day, I don't let it show. You make it look like you're enjoying yourself. It only helps you out in the long run. I'm one of the youngest at my current position.
And people wonder why our parents generation looks at us the ay they do.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]You don't really have a choice. places charge gratuity if you have a party over 6 now.[/QUOTE]
Then you don't tip extra, and you factor the gratuity into what the cost of going out to the dinner is, and call it night. In the non tipping world you believe in, the automatic gratuity charge is going to be the norm on all parties as an insurance policy for everyday tight wads.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Then you don't tip extra, and you factor the gratuity into what the cost of going out to the dinner is, and call it night. In the non tipping world you believe in, the automatic gratuity charge is going to be the norm on all parties as an insurance policy for everyday tight wads.[/QUOTE]
And thats why i refuse to go to these restaurants. They are costing themselves more business in the end.
Lmao at all these self righteous mofos claiming to be hard workers and shit. Say they reduced your salary by half and cut all your benefits tomorrow? Are you showing up to work all hunky dory. Money and security rules everything in this culture. From tips to career pay checks.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]And thats why i refuse to go to these restaurants. They are costing themselves more business in the end.[/QUOTE]
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've Made progress. YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!
Now stop being so freaking whinny about it. Simple as that.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Lmao at all these self riches mofos claiming to be hard workers and shit. Say they reduced you salary by half and cut all your benefits tomorrow? Are you showing up to work all hunky dory. Money and security rules everything I this culture. From tips to career pay checks.[/QUOTE]
What good is it gonna do to looked pissed off all day? I'm sorry, but I can't work with negative people like that all day.
It's a few people at my job like that, everyday they come to work it's like they just came back from a funeral. Seriously, no one can be that mad everyday.
And if they reduced my salary, cut benefits it's time to have a talk with the big people in charge. Or I might be on my way to a different company.
if i got change i'll tip, if i don't well too bad! :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've Made progress. YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!
Now stop being so freaking whinny about it. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying people should not force you to tip.
The social stigma that not tipping is the sin of all sins is what i have a problem with.
If i was the business owner, I rather have some money, with people in my restaurant than no money with no one at my restaurant.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]What good is it gonna do to looked pissed off all day? I'm sorry, but I can't work with negative people like that all day.
It's a few people at my job like that, everyday they come to work it's like they just came back from a funeral. Seriously, no one can be that mad everyday.
And if they reduced my salary, cut benefits it's time to have a talk with the big people in charge. Or I might be on my way to a different company.[/QUOTE]
What does this have to do tipping? People who work in the service industry for tips are negative? Is that what you are saying? Or just the people at the office of whatever your spectacular career choice is? People are all different, so that's why tipping is cool, because when you get that negative funeral going mofo you describe as a waiter you don't tip, then on the day L.Kizzle, hard working, lunch pale carrying, super employee comes along to serve you lunch you get to hook him up.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]I'm just saying people should not force you to tip.
The social stigma that not tipping is the sin of all sins is what i have a problem with.
If i was the business owner, I rather have some money, with people in my restaurant than no money with no one at my restaurant.[/QUOTE]
The stigma comes from non tippers also being cheap other places, which is just reality. No one is forcing you to tip. If you get insecure about the social consequence that's your problem. A person of real conviction wouldn't give a shit.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]I'm just saying people should not force you to tip.
The social stigma that not tipping is the sin of all sins is what i have a problem with.
If i was the business owner, I rather have some money, with people in my restaurant than no money with no one at my restaurant.[/QUOTE]
Lol you are so stupid it's unbelievable. You're saying restaurants are empty because people have to tip? What about the million of profitable restaurants that follow that exact model.
You would never be a business owner because any business you owned would quickly go bankrupt. But even if we were to ignore that, would you want to have employees to make your business run? Then tipping is necessary or your prices would be much higher than your competitors.
I love how idiots that complain about tipping don't realize that this model is the only way they can actually save money by being cheap scum. I there was no tipping they would be forced to pay more on all items
[QUOTE=macmac]Lol you are so stupid it's unbelievable. You're saying restaurants are empty because people have to tip? What about the million of profitable restaurants that follow that exact model.
You would never be a business owner because any business you owned would quickly go bankrupt. But even if we were to ignore that, would you want to have employees to make your business run? Then tipping is necessary or your prices would be much higher than your competitors.
I love how idiots that complain about tipping don't realize that this model is the only way they can actually save money by being cheap scum. I there was no tipping they would be forced to pay more on all items[/QUOTE]
bmoge is a f*cking retard for real
[QUOTE=macmac]Lol you are so stupid it's unbelievable. You're saying restaurants are empty because people have to tip? What about the million of profitable restaurants that follow that exact model.
You would never be a business owner because any business you owned would quickly go bankrupt. But even if we were to ignore that, would you want to have employees to make your business run? Then tipping is necessary or your prices would be much higher than your competitors.
I love how idiots that complain about tipping don't realize that this model is the only way they can actually save money by being cheap scum. I there was no tipping they would be forced to pay more on all items[/QUOTE]
You and Red are the two dumbest posters regarding this topic.
Think for a second. OK. imagine you are a mom and pops restaurant. You are paying your employee $8 per hour already to do his only job, which is to SERVE.
This mandatory tip stigma is actually dissuading people from going to your restaurant. People may rather eat at a fast food or just cook at home. You don't think these owners rather have some money than no money. You dont' think they they rather prefer people to go into their restaurant than no one???
So what's next, the employee gets laid off. You don't think these people would rather work than NOT work.
THINK
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]You and Red are the two dumbest posters regarding this topic.
Think for a second. OK. imagine you are a mom and pops restaurant. You are paying your employee $8 per hour already to do his only job, which is to SERVE.
This mandatory tip stigma is actually dissuading people from going to your restaurant. People may rather eat at a fast food or just cook at home. You don't think these owners rather have some money than no money. You dont' think they they rather prefer people to go into their restaurant than no one???
So what's next, the employee gets laid off. You don't think these people would rather work than NOT work.
THINK[/QUOTE]
You don't like to tip because it is an unfair practice that prevents the restaurant from getting customers? And then the restaurant will have to lay off it's waiters forcing them to not get any income at all?
You just cooked up a scenario that has nothing to do with reality. What is this false concern for the restaurant and it's employees. If you had real concern for the well-being of the restaurant and it's people then you would tip. Right now you are just making excuses for the fact that you are a cheap stingy b*tch.
If the restaurant doesn't automatically charge tip - a practice that I f*cking hate - then the owner has decided that he or she will pay the waiters a low wage with the expectation that the customers will pitch in with their tips. This is something that the restaurant has every right to do and the government recognizes this by making it a legal practice.
Let the business aspect of this shit be handled by the owner, someone with more than two brain cells. Around here $8 is less than minimum wage so that is an income worthy of being supplemented with tips.
From YOUR perspective, if you are getting shit service, then don't tip. On the other hand if everything is in order and you are getting good service, then you tip. Don't overcomplicate this shit f*gg*t.
[QUOTE=red1]You don't like to tip because it is an unfair practice that prevents the restaurant from getting customers? And then the restaurant will have to lay off it's waiters forcing them to not get any income at all?
You just cooked up a scenario that has nothing to do with reality. What is this false concern for the restaurant and it's employees. If you had real concern for the well-being of the restaurant and it's people then you would tip. Right now you are just making excuses for the fact that you are a cheap stingy b*tch.
If the restaurant doesn't automatically charge tip - a practice that I f*cking hate - then the owner has decided that he or she will pay the waiters a low wage with the expectation that the customers will pitch in with their tips. This is something that the restaurant has every right to do and the government recognizes this by making it a legal practice.
Let the business aspect of this shit be handled by the owner, someone with more than two brain cells. Around here $8 is less than minimum wage so that is an income worthy of being supplemented with tips.
From YOUR perspective, if you are getting shit service, then don't tip. On the other hand if everything is in order and you are getting good service, then you tip. Don't overcomplicate this shit f*gg*t.[/QUOTE]
No...from my perspective, I will not be tipping at all. These workers are making a wage, there's no reason to tip. From now on, I will not be tipping anyone.
YOU don't complicate it.