Kobe has missed 15,296 shots. The most in NBA history.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]My dude, your misguided point was that the reason Kobe's FG% is lower than MJ's was because of different eras, defenses, etc. You say this when the best player on the planet is riding a 4 year streak of shooting 50% or higher (currently shooting 54%), with guys like Durant and Wade near or past that barrier now and in the past. How do you explain that?

Is Lebron immune to the superior defense of this era or more likely- is he, like Michael Jordan, just a plain better, smarter player than Kobe 'king chucker' Bryant? What's the deal? :biggums:[/QUOTE]



- I'm saying the reason why Kobe's FG% is lower....A.) yes perimeter players are more game based 15' + and further out....and B)defense has changed

Kobe Bryant career

2PT%------------------------>48.3%
3PT%(eFG)------------------>33.9%
FT%-------------------------->83.7%
TS%(2PT%+ 3PT%+ FT%)-->55.7%

Michael Jordan career

2PT%------------------------>51.0%
3PT%(eFG)------------------>32.7%
FT%-------------------------->83.5%
TS%(2PT%+ 3PT%+ FT%)-->56.9%

Overall, in points per possesion kobe is behind michael by only 1.2% because he is marginally a better FT shooter, and he takes and makes a lot more threes(the main reason he's so behind in FG%). But overall, with all factors considered he's literally behind jordan by only 1.2% in overall efficiency. It's amazing how people downplay kobe's FG% without taking into account he took 3X the amount of threes, was more efficient from beyond the arc, and was marginally a better FT shooter..

1.2% is comparible


For some perspective, here are the league averages for all the years MJ shot over 50%.

88' - 48%
89' - 47.7%
90' - 47.6%
91' - 47.4%
92' - 47.2%

And here are the league averages in the post-MJ era.

00' - 44.9%
01' - 44.3%
02' - 44.5%
03' - 44.2%
04' - 43.9%
05' - 44.7%
06' - 45.4%
07' - 45.8%
08' - 45.7%
09' - 45.9%
10' - 46.1%


- How is Lebron immune?....he shoots 48%???...and his game is more based around Slashing and Driving ...same with Wade...both very similar players...???..and wade only shot 50% once his past 9 seasons??

- so it's only Kobe??....looks like league wide FG% has dropped.....defensive change / forcing a more perimeter based game....

and 5 Championships and 7 NBA Finals proved he aint chickin he's doin it deep..

:bowdown:

I misread the threat title, I am so stupid:hammerhead:

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]we have crossed over into a different era now. Kobe spent his prime fg% years in the most offensive depressed era in NBA history 1998-2004

no one was shooting over 50% then[/QUOTE]

And there it is only Kobe has played in a tough era:applause:

Here u go...look at facts

let's see u'r hero in his 4th season 99-2000/yes he was a starter against Jordan old competition

avg 22 pts a game his opposition that year:

Reggie Miller, Steve Smith, Nick Anderson,A.Hardaway, Barry, Strickland, Peeler, Daniels, Iverson, Houston, Hughes, Stackhouse, Piatkowski, Posey, Dickerson, Majerle, McGrady, Mobley, Pierce, Pearson, Sealy, Wahad, Eisley, Porter, Allen, Sura, Finley, Mercer, Elie, Rider, Legler, Chapman, Griffin, Nesby....lol...the same dudes that at age 34-35 Jordan was avg 28-30ppg against and winning league MVP's

Mitch Richmond vs Kobe this year: Rock avg 27.5, Kobe avg 14.0 winner Richmond

Come on Kobe u should have been dumping 50 on these scrubs..:wtf:

By the way Kobe as of 2009, who is the hardest player for u to guard?

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKCxkJTFrU&feature=relmfu"]Oh my a Jordan era guy, that was past his prime when u faced him?[/URL]

Kobe since u were so superior to any athlete compared to the old slow unathletic white guys of Jordan's time.....why didn't u start at 18? U should have been the 23 year old version of MJ at 18, since u are so far ahead talent wise?

Kobe's best year scoring came against the likes of: Individual Matchups listed 05/06: Bell, Barbosa, Desmond Mason, Telfair, Marquis Daniels, R. Davis, R. Allen, Eddie Jones, Stackhouse, Hinrich, Ginobili, Mobley, Iggy, Richardson, Buckner, Head, Claxton, Redd, Wells, T. Allen, V. Carter, Payton, Hamilton, Pierce, Hido, K. Martin, J. Dixon, J. Johnson, D. Brown, D. Wesley, R. Felton, F. Jones, Crawford, Fisher, Rose, Garcia, Wade, Jasikevicius, Cassell, Snow

Juggernauts???

Again 6 perimeter DPOY in Jordan era....1 in Kobe's era... Kobestans have no answers for this...they ignore it and post midget pictures yet forget about their hero against the heralded Eric Snow

[IMG]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/115857439_3199180af5.jpg[/IMG]

38%....really:bowdown:

AND WHILE IN CLEVELAND (DATE: JAN 12,2006) KOBE WAS ON A TEAR

Eric Snow scored nine points, but his value was not on the offensive end. Snow blanketed Bryant for much of the game and held the player who

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- I'm saying the reason why Kobe's FG% is lower is... [/QUOTE]

Because he is clearly an inferior player to both Michael Jordan and Lebron James. Those guys put up their efficiency regardless of rules, eras, etc because they have the skill and more importantly the genius basketball IQ.


[QUOTE]For some perspective, here are the league averages for all the years MJ shot over 50%.

88' - 48%
89' - 47.7%
90' - 47.6%
91' - 47.4%
92' - 47.2%

And here are the league averages in the post-MJ era.

00' - 44.9%
01' - 44.3%
02' - 44.5%
03' - 44.2%
04' - 43.9%
05' - 44.7%
06' - 45.4%
07' - 45.8%
08' - 45.7%
09' - 45.9%
10' - 46.1%[/QUOTE]

Teams/the league were more interior oriented and took far less 3s in Jordan's era. Which is why his domination is even more impressive in retrospect. A guard leading his team to championships in that era without an offensively dominant big man was an anomaly. Jordan did it 6x. Look who was in the championship series when Jordan was playing baseball- Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing.

Not only is the league completely perimeter oriented now, big men for the most part are garbage with a few exceptions. Just look at Dwight, he has been accepted by the vast majority of sports fans as the best, most dominant center in the game today and he's arguably the 3rd option on the Lakers, playing behind a shot-jacking guard. The best C in the game is the third option on his team, think about that for a second.


[QUOTE]- How is Lebron immune?....he shoots 48%???...and his game is more based around Slashing and Driving ...same with Wade...both very similar players...???..and wade only shot 50% once his past 9 seasons??[/QUOTE]

Lebron started taking better quality shots. In the years where he was in the 47-49% range, he was taking 4-5 3s per game. Since he's cut down his 3s to 2-4 per game, he's shot in the 51-54% range. It's simple logic, you cut down on chucking from long distance, you use bball IQ and take higher quality shots, you play more efficiently. You can at least admit that Kobe from time to time takes the worst shots imagineable when he's in hero ball mode, can't you? And Wade has been in the .495-50% range for 4 seasons, virtually half his career. If Kobe is the GOAT, you'd think he'd be a better slasher and driver and have a higher bball IQ. If he's lacking in those areas, then he's obviously not in that conversation.

[QUOTE]- so it's only Kobe??....looks like league wide FG% has dropped.....defensive change / forcing a more perimeter based game....[/QUOTE]

I agree, the rule changes have forced a more perimeter oriented game. More guys are out there chucking 3s instead of looking for more optimal shots (with the exception of the truly elite players and teams). The best players in the league do not have any issues scoring with efficiency. Their skill and IQ overcome any situation. Those who can't are the overrated ones.

[QUOTE]and 5 Championships and 7 NBA Finals proved he aint chickin he's doin it deep..[/QUOTE]

Hondo has 8 championships, jussayin'.

Kobe == Favre IMO

Ironman, great, but also gunslinger/chucker

Alpha trying soooooo hard. :roll:

Well kobes what 5th all time points right now? Behind the GOAT, and four big men right? He should have the money st missed shots then.. If he didn't that would mean he was shooting better than seven footers and Michael Jordan.

The Mamba hate in this thread is soo strong. Well most of em don't hate Kobe anyways, just to rile up his stans :mad:

Goat chucker! :applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- Stay Mad B!tch....

- been locking U up since day 1

- go refer to your garbage posts......still cant C me son



next[/QUOTE]
How old are you? A grown ass man can't be this much of a stan for one player..:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=scandisk_]The Mamba hate in this thread is soo strong. Well most of em don't hate Kobe anyways, just to rile up his stans :mad:[/QUOTE]
Well, tell your boy Alpha to stop hanging from Kobe's nuts so hard...:banghead:

Fake

Half of it were assists

[url]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8719297/how-kobe-bryant-missed-shots-translate-new-nba-statistic-kobe-assist[/url] :confusedshrug:

Shot jacker


The idiot broke the missed shots record years and YEARS before he can ever claim the points record.. :oldlol:


Tells you what he is. A fake who rode top frontcourts through western conference playoffs that no other western team could match upfront.. and rode shaq before that.


Kobe the stringbean bryant = forever and always just an overrated shotjacker

[QUOTE=Dro]Well, tell your boy Alpha to stop hanging from Kobe's nuts so hard...:banghead:[/QUOTE]

wateva :pimp:

This thread should stay open, as reminder of the biggest ball hog in NBA history.

[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lowwgtmEQK1qca4iqo1_400.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=RRR3][IMG]http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/cbf00bcb978ea4b7c30a858acb1358e2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:applause:

"The Mamba strikes with precision and [B]Accuracy[/B]" ~ Kobe Bryant

[QUOTE=RRR3][IMG]http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/cbf00bcb978ea4b7c30a858acb1358e2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Because he is clearly an inferior player to both Michael Jordan and Lebron James. Those guys put up their efficiency regardless of rules, eras, etc because they have the skill and more importantly the genius basketball IQ.

[B]inferior?....there is a 1.2% TS% difference between MJ and Kobe ( as I showed in my previous post)....how can that be looked at as inferior when Kobe has done everything throughout his career and is less then 2% difference then Michael Jordan....
[/B]


Teams/the league were more interior oriented and took far less 3s in Jordan's era. Which is why his domination is even more impressive in retrospect. A guard leading his team to championships in that era without an offensively dominant big man was an anomaly. Jordan did it 6x. Look who was in the championship series when Jordan was playing baseball- Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing.

Not only is the league completely perimeter oriented now, big men for the most part are garbage with a few exceptions. Just look at Dwight, he has been accepted by the vast majority of sports fans as the best, most dominant center in the game today and he's arguably the 3rd option on the Lakers, playing behind a shot-jacking guard. The best C in the game is the third option on his team, think about that for a second.


[B]Jordan did dominate.....no question. But trying to spin it that he had no " Dominate Center"???....he had a great team that nearly beat the NY Knicks...without Jordan!!!

The Bull's were filled with great players top to bottom.....Kobe played with Shaq early on...but those Lakers teams were no where near as deep as MJ's Bull's teams....even in 94' 3 Bull's were allstars!!

and Kobe has gone against some of the best Bigs in NBA History.....Duncan , Garnett , Ming , Howard and Hakeem etc..etc..

trying to say MJ had no great center is dumb...he had HOF teamates and the greatest defender/rebounder of the era for 3 of his titles....the Bull's were a great team without Jordan ...as proven through a 82 game season.[/B]



Lebron started taking better quality shots. In the years where he was in the 47-49% range, he was taking 4-5 3s per game. Since he's cut down his 3s to 2-4 per game, he's shot in the 51-54% range. It's simple logic, you cut down on chucking from long distance, you use bball IQ and take higher quality shots, you play more efficiently. You can at least admit that Kobe from time to time takes the worst shots imagineable when he's in hero ball mode, can't you? And Wade has been in the .495-50% range for 4 seasons, virtually half his career. If Kobe is the GOAT, you'd think he'd be a better slasher and driver and have a higher bball IQ. If he's lacking in those areas, then he's obviously not in that conversation.

[B]- again....if you saying Kobe shoots 1.2% lower TS% then MJ....that means he doesn't have a high BBAll IQ....you are 100% wrong....

- marginal stat differences does not tell if a player has a BB iq....over a decade of Top shelf defense and offense and the most titles in the 00's should hold far more weight then 1% TS

- Lebron did change his game a little...he also has 2 other top 10 players who can score.....he also put up the biggest choke job in superstar history....how's that IQ again???[/B]


I agree, the rule changes have forced a more perimeter oriented game. More guys are out there chucking 3s instead of looking for more optimal shots (with the exception of the truly elite players and teams). The best players in the league do not have any issues scoring with efficiency. Their skill and IQ overcome any situation. Those who can't are the overrated ones.



Hondo has 8 championships, jussayin'.

[B]- yes and he also shot 43% despite only taking 5 3's his whole career.....

- and Kobe is one of the best players in the league.....that's why he is so efficient, that's why he has so many titles, that's why he is only 1.2% differnece TS% then MJ.....that's why he is still a top player in the league after so many years.[/B]



[/QUOTE]


question..

player A has taken 0 3pointers, drawn 0 fouls. he's shot 20000 times and is 50% from the field.

for his career, player B has taken 0 2pointers, drawn 0 fouls. he's shot 20000 times and is 40% from the field.

did player A and his career 50% shooting do better than player B and his career 40% shooting?

56% career TS. 59% TS this year. +3-4% relative to league average over his decade long prime (01-10).

Dude is one of the most efficient high-volume players ever. lol @ the ignorance of these clowns. :lol

[QUOTE=Jacks3]56% career TS. 59% TS this year. +3-4% relative to league average over his decade long prime (01-10).

Dude is one of the most efficient high-volume players ever. lol @ [B]the ignorance of these clowns[/B]. :lol[/QUOTE]


YUP....and


Ts% isn't perfect [B][SIZE="4"]but it does say a lot more[/SIZE][/B] than FG% will.

You can look at zone FG% with draw rate, usage and 3pt shooting to get an idea of what's goin on, plus video analysis to supplement but at a base,

TS% does tell you far more who is performing well per-possession as a scorer. There are always contextual factors to consider, but the kind of arguments these clowns / TROLLS are putting out here are exactly the kind of BS that destroys basketball thinking

I know i was most likely responding to trolls.....but whateva...



it's fun....YAY!!!!

Kun isn't a kobe hater. :oldlol: This shit makes the dudes day!

BrickBe :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Brett Favre[/QUOTE]

:bowdown:

Most missed FG attempts per game..

per game:
13.59 Fulks
13.52 Baylor
12.76 Iverson
11.71 Jordan
10.90 Wilkins
10.81 Kobe

damn Fulks..:confusedshrug:


[COLOR="White"]stay mad....[/COLOR]

who is the next closest active player?

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Most missed FG attempts per game..

per game:
13.59 Fulks
13.52 Baylor
12.76 Iverson
11.71 Jordan
10.90 Wilkins
10.81 Kobe

damn Fulks..:confusedshrug:


[COLOR="White"]stay mad....[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Stop being disingenuous, Pup, you know there's much more to it than that.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Most missed FG attempts per game..

per game:
13.59 Fulks
13.52 Baylor
12.76 Iverson
11.71 [B]Jordan[/B]
10.90 Wilkins
10.81 Kobe

damn Fulks..:confusedshrug:


[COLOR="White"]stay mad....[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

is that Eddie Jordan or Deandre Jordan? cause it can't possibly be Mr. Space Jam himself with that level of chucking could it?

[QUOTE]Again 6 perimeter DPOY in Jordan era....1 in Kobe's era[/QUOTE]

Wrong. There was only 1 perimeter player who won DPOY during the "Jordan era" (90s) Gary Payton, as there was only 1 perimeter player won won DPOY during the "Kobe era" (00s) Ron Artest.

Artest won it and Payton won it when they didn't deserve it. Why? Because they had big personalities. Ron Artest wasn't even the defensive anchor on his team, Jermaine O'Neal was, and Ben Wallace was the most dominant defensive player that season. When Gary won it in 1996, David Robinson was the most dominant defensive player in the season, but Gary basically campaigned for it and always had a big mouth and Ron Artest is as we all know crazy and an attention whore.

Anyway the DPOY, just like MVP is a media-voted award, so unless you are a Center blocking 4 shots a game you have to have a big personality as a perimeter player which Pippen in 1995 didn't have to be get it when he's literally probably the only non Center/PF to actually deserve it as far as legitimately anchoring a defense as perimeter player. When it comes to DPOY a lot of blocks > complete defensive game in voter's minds 9 times out of 10.

Wilt's record is breakable... this record is not.

[QUOTE=Clutch]BrickBe :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Chokebe

Kobe missed a game winner against spurs.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]Wrong. There was only 1 perimeter player who won DPOY during the "Jordan era" (90s) Gary Payton, as there was only 1 perimeter player won won DPOY during the "Kobe era" (00s) Ron Artest.

Artest won it and Payton won it when they didn't deserve it. Why? Because they had big personalities. Ron Artest wasn't even the defensive anchor on his team, Jermaine O'Neal was, and Ben Wallace was the most dominant defensive player that season. When Gary won it in 1996, David Robinson was the most dominant defensive player in the season, but Gary basically campaigned for it and always had a big mouth and Ron Artest is as we all know crazy and an attention whore.

Anyway the DPOY, just like MVP is a media-voted award, so unless you are a Center blocking 4 shots a game you have to have a big personality as a perimeter player which Pippen in 1995 didn't have to be get it when he's literally probably the only non Center/PF to actually deserve it as far as legitimately anchoring a defense as perimeter player. When it comes to DPOY a lot of blocks > complete defensive game in voter's minds 9 times out of 10.[/QUOTE]

Wrong last time I checked Jordan started in 84....Jordan 1x, Rodman 2x, Payton 1x, Artest 1x,Alvin Robertson 1x....that equals 6...and yes every one of them deserved it....Kobe's career only one perimeter player has won it Artest

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]is that Eddie Jordan or Deandre Jordan? cause it can't possibly be Mr. Space Jam himself with that level of chucking could it?[/QUOTE]
MJ FG% 49.7 = no chucking.

Chuckbe FG% 45.3 + most missed shots in NBA history = Chuck master.

Another great performance by chuckbe tonight. 8/25 ::D:D:D

Missedalotofshotsbe

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[QUOTE=Hank][IMG]http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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Kobe working hard to make sure this record is never touched. Stack it high Bean, build that muh'phucka to the sky :bowdown: :applause:

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