wade with a revealing quote about the changing mentality of NBA players

And now we criticize players for practicing good shot selection.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Michael Jordan [B]FG% 49.7%[/B] [B] eFG% 51%[/B] [B] PER: 28[/B]

Kobe Bryant [B]FG% 45.5%[/B] [B] eFG% 49%[/B] [B]PER: 24[/B]


Those are Kobe's FG% eFG% & PER when compared to the best basketball player of all time.

Not bad at all :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Not bad at all, I just wanted a more comprehensive comparison.

:cheers:

Well, it's not like they'll run out the shot clock if they don't have a good shot to take and it's not like they aren't winning more games then most other teams. It would be one thing if they were losing and doing this like they probably would've when they were playing without each other but that's not the case.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Michael Jordan [B]FG% 49.7%[/B] [B] eFG% 51%[/B] [B] PER: 28[/B]

Kobe Bryant [B]FG% 45.5%[/B] [B] eFG% 49%[/B] [B]PER: 24[/B]


Those are Kobe's FG% eFG% & PER when compared to the best basketball player of all time.

Not bad at all :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

did you taken into consideration. No Defensive era. zone defense which is all a joke compared to physical D MJ played against in the '90s.

Kobe wont cross 42%FG shooting had he played in late '80s early to mid '90s.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]did you taken into consideration. No Defensive era. zone defense which is all a joke compared to physical D MJ played against in the '90s.

Kobe wont cross 42%FG shooting had he played in late '80s early to mid '90s.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm no left hand drexler was able to shoot 500% in the 80s and Kobe wouldn't be able to?

:rolleyes: u ****ing MJ stans sicken me. u really do

Why are people making a big deal out of this? :confusedshrug:

Players and teams set goals and thresholds for themselves for seasons/series. Like I know Mike Woodson set the goal for the Knicks' turnovers cut off for games at 13- every time they go over, the team runs sprints in the next practice. The Knicks have gone from the second to worst TO team last year (16 TPG) to the best this season(11 TPG). Wade and Lebron have just done the same for their personal performance, they've set high standards for their play. We've seen/are seeing the results of them striving to live up to a higher standard.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]did you taken into consideration. No Defensive era. zone defense which is all a joke compared to physical D MJ played against in the '90s.

Kobe wont cross 42%FG shooting had he played in late '80s early to mid '90s.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

The 00's decade had a lower TS%, eFG%, PPS, and O/DRtg than the 80's and 90's decades.

[url]http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287094[/url]

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]:facepalm no left hand drexler was able to shoot 500% in the 80s and Kobe wouldn't be able to?

:rolleyes: u ****ing MJ stans sicken me. u really do[/QUOTE]

Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade are currently shooting 50% right now. All have done it at least twice and counting (this is Lebron's 4th consecutive year shooting above the threshold). So forget the 80s, why hasn't Kobe done it even once in his era when the best player on the planet is currently on year 4 of shooting over 50%?

Let me guess, it's the era... the hyper athletes and advanced 'zone' defense that only Bean sees on a nightly basis? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]:facepalm no left hand drexler was able to shoot 500% in the 80s and Kobe wouldn't be able to?

:rolleyes: u ****ing MJ stans sicken me. u really do[/QUOTE]

F*** left hand !!!

i[B]f you are 1.5 inches taller, bigger, extra long wing span, bigger hands & palm the ball, much more stamina, strength & more conditioned than Kobe.

Drexler could put the ball on the floor & drive through physical D & still wont be pulling on his shorts & resting on his knees in OT of any game like kobe giving MJ impersonations from the beginning of the 2nd quarter.[/B]

Drexler did exactly that.

Imagine how many 3-pts FGA kobe will jock in '90s.

41% FG is what Kobe will be averaging . I was being lenient with 42%FG.

Know your NBA before presenting infantile argument. :coleman:

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]:roll: :roll: :roll:

The 00's decade had a lower TS%, eFG%, PPS, and O/DRtg than the 80's and 90's decades.[/QUOTE]
Too many dumb HSers drafted off "potential" hoping they'd be the next KG / Kobe / T-Mac.

Deliberate drop in possessions to slow the game down.

Drop off in pushing the ball into transition.

Era of the small combo guard.

Loss of team bball IQ, and skills.

Weak era for shooters, passers, and defined offensive roles.

That didn't play a part in anything ...

FG%, Blocks, Steals. All 3 are the most overrated stats in basketball.

Are people still trying to use Kobe's FG% as an argument against him? :oldlol:

45% is perfectly fine for the type of player that he is.

F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking stat geeks :facepalm Some of you guys have been reading too many Hollinger articles.

[QUOTE=red1]efficiency helps you win ball games dumbass :lol[/QUOTE]
Yup. Thats why lebron and wade and bosh all have less rings than Kobe combined.

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Yup. Thats why lebron and wade and bosh all have less rings than Kobe combined.[/QUOTE]

Actually, no. This is why:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aKO5AO0NRiY/TegFLm7wXjI/AAAAAAAABFs/FFdk69buoFE/s1600/kobe-bryant-and-shaquille-oneal.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Actually, no. This is why:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aKO5AO0NRiY/TegFLm7wXjI/AAAAAAAABFs/FFdk69buoFE/s1600/kobe-bryant-and-shaquille-oneal.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I'd actually say it's because Kobe is a top 10 player of all time

:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]FG%, Blocks, Steals. All 3 are the most overrated stats in basketball.[/QUOTE]

just shows the mentality of today's 2 yrs old full retards lurking around on ISH

[B][SIZE="3"]The following is the single most overrated stats in the history of the NBA:

-PPG[/SIZE][/B]

doesnt tell you if you played a blow out game for 3 quarters or triple OT thriller.

PPG will be different for a player playing 25 mins or 50 mins in tripile OT game.

[B]FG% is probably the single more important stat to win a game.[/B]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Actually, no. This is why:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aKO5AO0NRiY/TegFLm7wXjI/AAAAAAAABFs/FFdk69buoFE/s1600/kobe-bryant-and-shaquille-oneal.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

well illustrated

Shaq's little brother for life.

NBA's greatest coach Phil's spoilt child for life.

& later on Gasol + Bynum's kid brother for life.

[B]With out LAL organization, Kobe will never make it to NBA Finals.[/B]

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]F*** left hand !!!

i[B]f you are 1.5 inches taller, bigger, extra long wing span, bigger hands & palm the ball, much more stamina, strength.
[/QUOTE]

I agree. Being a tall athlete with physical gifts is all it took to succeed in the 80s

Gerald Green would have averaged 30/10/10 had he played then.

in this era, can't even get on the court.

[QUOTE=red1]Buck foston that series was a LOL for me. I am just saying that kobe has a chucker mentality and OP is trying to act like that is superior to having an efficiency mentality[/QUOTE]
Chucker mentality has produced more rings than efficiency mentality of three players.:roll:

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist][B]LAL franchise, NBAs winningest [/B]has produced more rings than efficiency mentality of three players [b]by recruiting NBAs winningest coach from Chicago Bulls, NBA's last most dominant big man in shaq & NBA's most talented big men in Gasol & Bynum[/b] .:roll:[/QUOTE]

Corrected!

relax kiddo. kobe was just along for a ride.

Lakers 5 rings are product of Jerry West, KAJ, Magic & Phils brains. They recruited the NBAs most talented & collectively negated Kobe's ball hogging, shot jocking, poor efficiency.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Corrected!

relax kiddo. kobe was just along for a ride.

Lakers 5 rings are product of Jerry West, KAJ, Magic & Phils brains. They recruited the NBAs most talented & collectively negated Kobe's ball hogging, shot jocking, poor efficiency.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

Go back to watching Space Jam dude

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Actually, no. This is why:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aKO5AO0NRiY/TegFLm7wXjI/AAAAAAAABFs/FFdk69buoFE/s1600/kobe-bryant-and-shaquille-oneal.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Kobe has more rings sans Shaq than the other way around.

Also, Shaq had plenty of time to get a ring before Kobe became a star.

5>4, 5>2.1.1

[QUOTE=blablabla]i don't think its great that your star players are hesitant to shoot because they are worried about their percentage[/QUOTE]
LeBron clearly stated that when he looks at the stats it's not that he's thinking "Oh I shouldn't have taken a shot so my percentages don't go down" but that he thinks instead "I should have driven for a layup instead of taking a long 3"

It's an article on shot selection, and LeBron takes pride in having intelligent shot selection. I suppose that's a bad thing though right?

[IMG]http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/mZ8x9_zps478f1e6f.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]:oldlol:

Go back to watching Space Jam dude[/QUOTE]

****ing ****** :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Kobe has more rings sans Shaq than the other way around.[/QUOTE]

The majority of the rings Kobe has have 'property of Shaquille O'Neal' engraved on them.

[QUOTE]Also, Shaq had plenty of time to get a ring before Kobe became a star.

5>4, 5>2.1.1[/QUOTE]

3 finals MVPs>2 finals MVPS. Being the best player on your team for 40% of your rings is still somewhat impressive though.

[QUOTE=Dave3]LeBron clearly stated that when he looks at the stats it's not that he's thinking "Oh I shouldn't have taken a shot so my percentages don't go down" but that he thinks instead "I should have driven for a layup instead of taking a long 3"

It's an article on shot selection, and LeBron takes pride in having intelligent shot selection. I suppose that's a bad thing though right?[/QUOTE]

Idiots didn't even read the article. But you can't expect much from Kobe fanatics. By far the dumbest contingent of sport fans on the planet.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The majority of the rings Kobe has have 'property of Shaquille O'Neal' engraved on them.



3 finals MVPs>2 finals MVPS. Being the best player on your team for 40% of your rings is still somewhat impressive though.[/QUOTE]
Post I already made:
[Quote]01 & 02 facts

Lakers played 35 playoffs games, 8 series, and won 2 championships in 01 & 02 Playoffs.
Kobe was the leading scorer in 18/35 games
Kobe was the leading scorer in 4/8 series
Kobe was the leading scorer in the 4th quarter
Kobe was the leading scorer in the 2nd half
Kobe was the leader in assists[/quote]

[QUOTE=PJR]Idiots didn't even read the article. But you can't expect much from Kobe fanatics. By far the dumbest contingent of sport fans on the planet.[/QUOTE]
Kobe haters are easily the dumbest groups of sports fans. I have quotes to back it up too.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Post I already made:[/QUOTE]

Like I said above, being the best player on your team for 40% of your championships is a nice accomplishment. But even then... Kobe still can't get to 50%, must be a mental barrier type of deal :oldlol:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Actually, no. This is why:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aKO5AO0NRiY/TegFLm7wXjI/AAAAAAAABFs/FFdk69buoFE/s1600/kobe-bryant-and-shaquille-oneal.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Very insightful post, a picture is worth a thousand words. If one looks closely he will notice that shaq is carrying kobe the same way he carried him to three rings during the three-peat

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Like I said above, being the best player on your team for 40% of your championships is a nice accomplishment. But even then... Kobe still can't get to 50%, must be a mental barrier type of deal :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Who cares if he wasn't the best? You think Kareem cares that he wasn't the best in 4/6 of his rings?

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Post I already made:[/QUOTE]

Shaq averaged more points in both playoffs. Of course thats possible even with what you said, but you're implying Kobe was there leading scorer when he clearly wasn't.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Like I said above, being the best player on your team for 40% of your championships is a nice accomplishment. But even then... Kobe still can't get to 50%, must be a mental barrier type of deal :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
dondadda with yet another excellent post

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Who cares if he wasn't the best? You think Kareem cares that he wasn't the best in 4/6 of his rings?[/QUOTE]
bad example as kareem is better than kobe

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Who cares if he wasn't the best? You think Kareem cares that he wasn't the best in 4/6 of his rings?[/QUOTE]

I don't know Kareem personally, so I can't speak for him. Just curious- who do you rank higher on the all time list, Kobe Bryant or John Havlicek?

[QUOTE=red1]Very insightful post, a picture is worth a thousand words. If one looks closely he will notice that shaq is carrying kobe the same way he carried him to three rings during the three-peat[/QUOTE]

I didn't know you were so bitter.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]I didn't know you were so bitter.[/QUOTE]
81 points. ni99a developed PTSD

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]81 points. ni99a developed PTSD[/QUOTE]

lol

[QUOTE=Heavincent]I didn't know you were so bitter.[/QUOTE]
just bugging deuce a big-a-hoe and if you paid attention to some of the stupid shit in this thread perhaps starting with the OP you would be laughing just like me