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Easily Irving. Only an idiot would rather have Westbrook. Irving is a highly efficient scoring machine and capable playmaker on a team full of scrubs. Westbrook is a shot-jacking and inefficient 40% shooter on a team with the best scorer in the league. Dude would shoot 35% on his own team.
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]That's fair, but you have to take in account he has Ibaka behind him and Perkins (even though he sucks) is still more intimidating than Thompson and Zeller :roll:[/QUOTE]
That's fair, though Perkins is a non-factor IMO. Dude is rubbish. Biggest piece of shit starter in the NBA.
I know Westbrook takes a lot of shitty shots.. it's what we have to live with because at the same time he is the one who wins us a lot of games. He's a OMG WTF AMAZING type player or a WTF ARE YOU ****ING DOING :facepalm type player night to night. Luckily he's amazing more than rubbish. I'm sure in the next couple of years he will continue developing and making better decisions.
[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]That's fair, though Perkins is a non-factor IMO. Dude is rubbish. Biggest piece of shit starter in the NBA.
I know Westbrook takes a lot of shitty shots.. it's what we have to live with because at the same time he is the one who wins us a lot of games. He's a OMG WTF AMAZING type player or a WTF ARE YOU ****ING DOING :facepalm type player night to night. Luckily he's amazing more than rubbish. I'm sure in the next couple of years he will continue developing and making better decisions.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he might be one of the worst starters in the league, I think he's still semi intimidating though
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]Yeah he might be one of the worst starters in the league, I think he's still semi intimidating though[/QUOTE]
He's a rough body down there, sets some decent screens.. that's about it. Intimidating to some I guess, but to real good and experienced players he's just a body in the way who's easy enough to get around, who will also turn over the ball to you a few times a game and miss some easy dunks while not really being a threat on the boards.
[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]He's a rough body down there, sets some decent screens.. that's about it. Intimidating to some I guess, but to real good and experienced players he's just a body in the way who's easy enough to get around, who will also turn over the ball to you a few times a game and miss some easy dunks while not really being a threat on the boards.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he sucks similar to Derek Fisher
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]So since there's a lot of people supporting Irivng in this thread, I ask this same question again in the other thread:
Build a franchise: Derrick Rose (pre-injury) or Kyrie Irving ?[/QUOTE]
Irving easily. I will take Irving over anyone not named Durant or LeBron. Irving has already charted a journey of greatness that Derrick Rose will never touch.
[B]1)[/B] His rookie season puts him statistically in the company of Guards like Chris Paul, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson.
[B]2)[/B] During his sophmore year, he made the all-star team before age 21. This puts him in an elite group of 6 current and future Hall of Famers. (Bryant, James, Johnson, Garnett, Isiah, Shaq).
[B]3)[/B] Irving has perhaps demonstrated the greatest offensive repertoire for a 20 year old. Realistically, he is one of the most complete offensive player in the NBA today. He can shoot, slash, finish and pass.
[B]4) [/B]Irving is a number 1 pick. Statistically, out of the greatest NBA players, there is better position to be drafted than being first.
[B]5) [/B]Irving has the mental aptitude, physical ability and the work ethic to go down as one of the greatest players in NBA history.
As this point, I would trade the entire Rockets roster for him.
[QUOTE=noob cake]Irving easily. I will take Irving over anyone not named Durant or LeBron. Irving has already charted a journey of greatness that Derrick Rose will never touch.
[B]1)[/B] His rookie season puts him statistically in the company of Guards like Chris Paul, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson.
[B]2)[/B] During his sophmore year, he made the all-star team before age 21. This puts him in an elite group of 6 current and future Hall of Famers. (Bryant, James, Johnson, Garnett, Isiah, Shaq).
[B]3)[/B] Irving has perhaps demonstrated the greatest offensive repertoire for a 20 year old. Realistically, he is one of the most complete offensive player in the NBA today. He can shoot, slash, finish and pass.
[B]4) [/B]Irving is a number 1 pick. Statistically, out of the greatest NBA players, there is better position to be drafted than being first.
[B]5) [/B]Irving has the mental aptitude, physical ability and the work ethic to go down as one of the greatest players in NBA history.
As this point, I would trade the entire Rockets roster for him.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]:roll:[/QUOTE]
[B]Before the draft[/B]
Haters called him a bust before the draft.
[B]After the draft[/B]
Haters capped him as a 20/4/4 player who will struggle because of his "lack of athleticism"
[B]After rookie year[/B]
Haters tried to convince us that the season wasn't impressive at all. There was even a thread where most people argue Tyreke > Irving.
[B]In his Sophmore year after All-Star selection[/B]
Haters are still denying his greatness
Cavs were down 12 points in the 3rd, Kyrie scores 16 points in a row to come back :bowdown:
Mr. 4th quarter does it again :bowdown:
All he needs to do is work on his playmaking. He's been efficient as hell today too, and clutch as hell yet again, but there shouldn't be an excuse as to why he only had 2 assists. Walton had 7, Gee had 5, and Waiters had 4. That's my only knock on him.
[QUOTE=ganja0710]All he needs to do is work on his playmaking. He's been efficient as hell today too, and clutch as hell yet again, but there shouldn't be an excuse as to why he only had 2 assists. Walton had 7, Gee had 5, and Waiters had 4. That's my only knock on him.[/QUOTE]
Can't get assists when people don't make shots, the reason Walton had so many is cause Kyrie gave him like 4 or 5....
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]Can't get assists when people don't make shots, the reason Walton had so many is cause Kyrie gave him like 4 or 5....[/QUOTE]
His teammates are pathetic. I watched the last quarter, I saw at least 5 complete bricks on Irving passes.
[QUOTE=noob cake]His teammates are pathetic. I watched the last quarter, I saw at least 5 complete bricks on Irving passes.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry the 4th quarter is Kyrie's bitch :applause:
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]Don't worry the 4th quarter is Kyrie's bitch :applause:[/QUOTE]
How does one become so clutch in the 4th quarter?
Irving just doesn't damn miss. Its literally stupid.
[QUOTE=noob cake]How does one become so clutch in the 4th quarter?
Irving just doesn't damn miss. Its literally stupid.[/QUOTE]
I don't know but it is damn fun to watch.
LOL.
ISH at it's finest.
Reminds me of that 'Harden vs Gordon' thread.
Hilarious thread in retrospect
Yea at this point there is absolutely no contest
Yeah, what happened to all that Kyrie love? He was supposed to be the next upcoming superstar.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]LOL.
ISH at it's finest.
Reminds me of that 'Harden vs Gordon' thread.[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep getting banned?
-Brook
Where is Brenda and foolcake? Mr I would trade the whole Rockets team for Kyrie?
Those guys haven't bumped this thread in so long, hope they are doing ok :roll:
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]Can't get assists when people don't make shots, the reason Walton had so many is cause Kyrie gave him like 4 or 5....[/QUOTE]
DWill averaged 9 assists with Kris Humphries as his best team mate in 2011. CP3 averaged 10 with Tyson Chandler as his second best. Team mates aren't an excuse.
I wouldn't want to build one around either of them. But if I had to and I was trying to win as many games as possible... Westbrook.
[QUOTE=Chuckbrook]Why do you keep getting banned?
-Brook[/QUOTE]
Somehow, the rules aren't the same for everyone.
I call someone an idiot, I'm banned for a week.
Another guy calls someone a ****** ****** scumbag and a mistake/should've been aborted/kill yourself etc, and they get to live to see another day with no punishment. :rolleyes:
Did you watch Little Miss Sunshine? Iz the shit. :dancin
GOATbrook. My franchise player needs to be capable of playing defense.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Did you watch Little Miss Sunshine? Iz the shit. :dancin[/QUOTE]
Nah man.....and I still can't tell if you're serious or not.
-Brook
Odd time to bump this thread considering Kyrie's incredibly high level of play lately. You're about a month late if the intention was to make Irving look bad.
December averages:
Kyrie Irving
27 points on 47+% FG, 38+% 3PT, 95% FT
7 assists
1.3 steals
2.3 turnovers
Age: 21
Russell Westbrook
21.4 points on 45.4% FG, 31.3% 3PT, 88.4% FT
8 assists
1.6 steals
4.1 turnovers
Age: 25
:confusedshrug:
Yeah... that Irving guy stinks.
WB's issues can be fixed through coaching. Can't really fix how Kyrie's injured all the time and he doesn't play defense. WB's one of the biggest competitors, can score as well as anyone, he's durable and he can play better defense. Kyrie's good but I'm gonna go with WB.
I find it ironic how Westbrook's stock skyrocketed when he wasn't even playing. That injury did more for his rank than what he's actually done on the court. :lol:
I'd probably take Irving given that he's 4 years younger, although I definitely believe Westbrook is the better player. Didn't need the injury to tell me that, I've always considered him to be crucial to the Thunder's success.
[QUOTE=Solefade]WB's issues can be fixed through coaching. Can't really fix how Kyrie's injured all the time and he doesn't play defense. WB's one of the biggest competitors, can score as well as anyone, he's durable and he can play better defense. Kyrie's good but I'm gonna go with WB.[/QUOTE]
Kyrie has played in every game so far this season.
I'd definitely say Westbrook is currently the better player, but you have to weigh that against Irving being FOUR years younger. That's pretty significant.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack][B]Kyrie has played in every game so far this season. [/B]
I'd definitely say Westbrook is currently the better player, but you have to weigh that against Irving being FOUR years younger. That's pretty significant.[/QUOTE]
Right but has he played a full season ever? That includes his college career too....
Injury prone players tend to be injury prone for their entire careers.
[QUOTE=Solefade]Right but has he played a full season ever? That includes his college career too....
Injury prone players tend to be injury prone for their entire careers.[/QUOTE]
He has not played a full season ever, but it is also important to point out that none of his injuries have been remotely serious or recurring. I'd say the most serious injury he has had in his NBA career was the shoulder last year which kept him out for a few weeks.
Other than that, you're talking about a concussion, a broken hand and other minor bumps and bruises. At Duke, it was a toe thing that has not recurred.
The Cavs were extra cautious with him because, in truth, they didn't care much about winning a ton of games in his first two years. I said coming into this season that this would be the real test to see if he was injury prone, because now the Cavs are actually trying to win.
He hasn't missed a game yet... knock on wood.
Meanwhile, the one real injury Westbrook has sustained is 100x more serious than anything that has happened to Kyrie... and it's something that could recur (though I hope it doesn't).
I'd rather have someone with high iq as my leader than the one who is close to being retarded. Name me one player that led a team to a championshoip who had low bball iq.
[QUOTE=Solefade][B]WB's issues can be fixed through coaching. Can't really fix how Kyrie's injured all the time and he doesn't play defense[/B]. WB's one of the biggest competitors, can score as well as anyone, he's durable and he can play better defense. Kyrie's good but I'm gonna go with WB.[/QUOTE]
you cant coach players to be better defenders?
[QUOTE=chips93]you cant coach players to be better defenders?[/QUOTE]
You can but some players have a natural knack for it, it seems more natural with WB. And the major issue with Kyrie is that he's injured all the time even if they're not reoccurring injuries.
I wouldnt even pick irving over lillard... i know westbrook has played longer but in that span dude has only had 1 major injury.... irving as good as he is .. he is not that good defensively.. sure he would get his numbers but if lets say he has another pointguard who can flat out score he wont be able to do something about it....
I dont want my star player to play on one side of the court only..
so if ever both will be a franchise player i will go to the guy who plays defense.. not to shabby on the offense ... scoring these days are kinda overrated.
[QUOTE=veilside23]I wouldnt even pick irving over lillard... i know westbrook has played longer but in that span [B]dude has only had 1 major injury[/B].... irving as good as he is .. he is not that good defensively.. sure he would get his numbers but if lets say he has another pointguard who can flat out score he wont be able to do something about it....
I dont want my star player to play on one side of the court only..
so if ever both will be a franchise player i will go to the guy who plays defense.. not to shabby on the offense ... scoring these days are kinda overrated.[/QUOTE]
And Irving has had zero major injuries. :confusedshrug:
Kyrie is only 21 years old. You bring up Lillard... Kyrie is two years younger than him, even.
I think people sometimes forget that there have basically been no finished products at that age. LeBron James was a defensive liability in his first two years in the league.
I'm not saying Kyrie will ever have that kind of impact defensively, but [I][B]all [/B][/I]players have shortcomings at 21.
I'll take GOATbrook due to his sheer tenacity and unshakeable will to win.