Man Murders A Drunk Driver After Car Crash

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]What should his punishment have been then for making a bad decision while in a state of mind that he could only make bad decisions?

seriously?...what should have happened to him?...was this his first time?


US has the 3 strike rule, and I like that...you get a free pass your first time (still costs you around $10k though), which could be set off by something as small as 3 beers...then after that if you show to be a someone that has a chronic problem with it they just put you away.

manslaughter is prison no matter how many strikes you have...

I mean do you think you should get prison time for your first DUI?...that is fair?[/QUOTE]

Your first argument is flat out ridiculous "making a bad decision while in a state of mind that he could only make bad decisions"....he put himself in that position!! He acknowledged the risk of making a bad decision when he made the decision to get black out drunk.

This was his first time being "cought" for DUI, but had driven drunk before the DUI for sure. We have been out of touch for years but last time I saw him he had not changed at all.

I am not saying that we should throw away every DUI for life, I am just saying what i observed first hand-- 3 months of "classes" is not a big enough penalty.

Off the top of my head, I think there should maybe be mandatory 7 or 14 days in jail (not crazy federal prison, just jail) for first time DUI. I think getting locked up for a week or two to reflect on the fact that you could have killed a couple innocent people would be a good thing for first time DUIers.

good for him.

Meh, I don't blame the father. I mean, the whole situation is tragic, but if you just saw some **** head kill your sons then I don't blame him. If the guy really was drunk driving then he deserves anything he got.

[QUOTE=Nanners]Your first argument is flat out ridiculous "making a bad decision while in a state of mind that he could only make bad decisions"....he put himself in that position!! He acknowledged the risk of making a bad decision when he made the decision to get black out drunk.

This was his first time being "cought" for DUI, but had driven drunk before the DUI for sure. We have been out of touch for years but last time I saw him he had not changed at all.

I am not saying that we should throw away every DUI for life, I am just saying what i observed first hand-- 3 months of "classes" is not a big enough penalty.

Off the top of my head, I think there should maybe be mandatory 7 or 14 days in jail (not crazy federal prison, just jail) for first time DUI. I think getting locked up for a week or two to reflect on the fact that you could have killed a couple innocent people would be a good thing for first time DUIers.[/QUOTE]

Seriously that is a good idea. A couple of weeks in prison will prob sober these guys up pretty quickly.

My uncle has 5 DUI charges and still has his license. They sure were lenient back in the day. Even today, the punishment isn't severe enough. Just heavy fines and classes. I agree with the post earlier. First time offenders should spend some time in jail.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]What should his punishment have been then for making a bad decision while in a state of mind that he could only make bad decisions?

seriously?...what should have happened to him?...was this his first time?


US has the 3 strike rule, and I like that...you get a free pass your first time (still costs you around $10k though), which could be set off by something as small as 3 beers...then after that if you show to be a someone that has a chronic problem with it they just put you away.

manslaughter is prison no matter how many strikes you have...

[B]I mean do you think you should get prison time for your first DUI?...that is fair?[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes. Now that states are legalizing weed there will be more room in prisons for idiot drunk drivers :applause:

[QUOTE=DMV2]Even if the father was convicted for the shooting, they could only get him for manslaughter, right?
It would be under heat of the moment/crime of passion/not premeditated, something of that nature.[/QUOTE]

2nd degree or voluntary manslaughter

Most people would of probably reacted in the same way if placed in the same situation.

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]Are you even allowed to drive with a gun on you?[/QUOTE]

I think you can keep a gun in the dashboard

imagine yourself being less than minute from home, and out of nowhere, this punk ass drunk dude slams into your car and kills your kids instantly. that's the biggest WTF in the world.

[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Not bad at all by dad. I mean if some dude ever kills some person I love in front of me, I would do the same thing. It's a thing of passion. You're not thinking at that point; it is stupid to suggest you are rational;[B] you act on impulse and if that impulse is revenge, then there is nothing a person can do to act otherwise.[/B][/QUOTE]

so as long as somebody is acting according to some irresistible impulse, its ok?

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I am a parent...and it's not nonsense...[B]driver doesn't deserve to be executed
[/B]
law agrees[/QUOTE]


+1



Barajas had ZERO proof the driver was drunk.

the police haven't said anything about an open bottle, or witness' having seen the driver drinking.

and, yet, they've reported witness' descriptions of seeing Barajas go into his house and come back.

even if the toxicology reports do eventually prove the driver was drunk, who the fukc is Barajas to be judge, jury and executioner???

he should go to prison.



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In Canada this would be ruled a passion crime and he'd get off with 8-10 years I think. Don't know if there's similar case law in the states.

[QUOTE=Skywalker]In Canada this would be ruled a [B]passion crime[/B] and he'd get off with 8-10 years I think. Don't know if there's similar case law in the states.[/QUOTE]
Wow hella gay :lol

[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]Wow hella gay :lol[/QUOTE]


Voluntary manslaughter is called a crime of passion in the States as well.

[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]Wow hella gay :lol[/QUOTE]
You need to refer to a dictionary more often.

[QUOTE=Nanners]Your first argument is flat out ridiculous "making a bad decision while in a state of mind that he could only make bad decisions"....he put himself in that position!! He acknowledged the risk of making a bad decision when he made the decision to get black out drunk.
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He did put himself in that position and deserves to be punished for it, it is extremely unlikely "he made the decision to get black out drunk" though...no one does that, it just happens. My point is the driver is literally insane at times, I mean NEWS FLASH drunk people make horrible decisions, they really shouldn't be trusted to decide what the smart thing to do is.
[QUOTE=Nanners]This was his first time being "cought" for DUI, but had driven drunk before the DUI for sure. We have been out of touch for years but last time I saw him he had not changed at all.

I am not saying that we should throw away every DUI for life, I am just saying what i observed first hand-- 3 months of "classes" is not a big enough penalty.

Off the top of my head, I think there should maybe be mandatory 7 or 14 days in jail (not crazy federal prison, just jail) for first time DUI. I think getting locked up for a week or two to reflect on the fact that you could have killed a couple innocent people would be a good thing for first time DUIers.[/QUOTE]
your first DUI in the states is still a massive pain in the ass...you have to at least spend one night in jail and perhaps more after if you can't afford bail ...then you have probation that forces you to come in once a week and piss in a cup and pay some hefty probation fee...then you have to take DUI classes, also costing you money...you have court costs which can be thousands if you got a lawyer. You lose your licence for a 3-6 months...after all is said and done you are out $8k-$12k in money, enough to take a cab or even a limo every weekend for a year.

then after your first DUI, if you are a repeat offender the punishment gets considerably worse...and if you have 3 strikes you do go to prison.

I like the way it is set up now...because IMO this is a crime where it is only the repeat offenders that should be put away, the legal limit can be set off by just 3 drinks, many people with just 1 DUI aren't really a threat and shouldn't be locked up for years for their mishap.

[QUOTE=BRabbiT]+1



Barajas had ZERO proof the driver was drunk.

the police haven't said anything about an open bottle, or witness' having seen the driver drinking.

and, yet, they've reported witness' descriptions of seeing Barajas go into his house and come back.

even if the toxicology reports do eventually prove the driver was drunk, who the fukc is Barajas to be judge, jury and executioner???

he should go to prison.



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yeah if it was up to ISH the law would be like a mix of the Wild West and the movie Idiocracy...[I]"law says I can shoot you if I think you're drunk"..."but if you were texting it is okay because that is more rare"[/I]


Like I was trying to point out earlier though, I think there is a decent chance this man didn't care if the driver was drunk or sober...all he knows is someone came out of no where and killed his kids. Weather that man was texting, or sleeping behind the wheel, or dropped a cigarette, or was drunk...it doesn't matter...drunk or sober it was a fatal mistake.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]He did put himself in that position and deserves to be punished for it, it is extremely unlikely "he made the decision to get black out drunk" though...[B]no one does that[/B], it just happens. My point is the driver is literally insane at times, I mean NEWS FLASH drunk people make horrible decisions, they really shouldn't be trusted to decide what the smart thing to do is.

your first DUI in the states is still a massive pain in the ass...you have to at least spend one night in jail and perhaps more after if you can't afford bail ...then you have probation that forces you to come in once a week and piss in a cup and pay some hefty probation fee...then you have to take DUI classes, also costing you money...you have court costs which can be thousands if you got a lawyer. You lose your licence for a 3-6 months...after all is said and done you are out $8k-$12k in money, enough to take a cab or even a limo every weekend for a year.

then after your first DUI, if you are a repeat offender the punishment gets considerably worse...and if you have 3 strikes you do go to prison.

I like the way it is set up now...because IMO this is a crime where it is only the repeat offenders that should be put away, the legal limit can be set off by just 3 drinks, many people with just 1 DUI aren't really a threat and shouldn't be locked up for years for their mishap.[/QUOTE]

Working in downtown Toronto in the weekends, I'll say I've ran into quite a bit of people who drink to get fu[I]c[/I]ked up. At times it can get pretty ridiculous too but I don't think anyone is disagreeing that people tend to make poor choices when their drunk but that prior to being drunk they were sober and capable of making decisions that could prevent drunk driving.

Can't believe prime has a kid

[QUOTE=MMM]Working in downtown Toronto in the weekends, I'll say I've ran into quite a bit of people who drink to get fu[I]c[/I]ked up. At times it can get pretty ridiculous too but I don't think anyone is disagreeing that people tend to make poor choices when their drunk but that prior to being drunk they were sober and capable of making decisions that could prevent drunk driving.[/QUOTE]
agreed

I'm talking about blackout drunk though, which is much different than just "getting fcked up"...A drunk who is blacked out will not remember a thing...wake up wondering how they got home, or where they are, etc

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]agreed

I'm talking about blackout drunk though, which is much different than just "getting fcked up"...A drunk who is blacked out will not remember a thing...wake up wondering how they got home, or where they are, etc[/QUOTE]

I guess that is true but you would think drinking to "getting Effed up" can lead to it fair share of blackouts

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]Can't believe prime has a kid[/QUOTE]
because I don't think this guy should have been executed?

If you actually read my posts they are mature in nature...I am probably the most educated poster on this subject as well

I'm also a great father...make a great living, my son's college fund is already in place, will be worth a $100k when he turns 16, and his mother, my wife, who is about to get her masters could likely make more than myself.

I also make video games for a living and love sports, I am a dream father for my son



what do you have to offer a family besides childishness?...maybe I should be your father McFly

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]because I don't think this guy should have been executed?

If you actually read my posts they are mature in nature...I am probably the most educated poster on this subject as well

I'm also a great father...make a great living, my son's college fund is already in place, will be worth a $100k when he turns 16, and his mother, my wife, who is about to get her masters could likely make more than myself.

I also make video games for a living and love sports, I am a dream father for my son



what do you have to offer a family besides childishness?...maybe I should be your father McFly[/QUOTE]

I don't think he meant it that context but i can't speak for him

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]because I don't think this guy should have been executed?

If you actually read my posts they are mature in nature...I am probably the most educated poster on this subject as well

I'm also a great father...make a great living, my son's college fund is already in place, will be worth a $100k when he turns 16, and his mother, my wife, who is about to get her masters could likely make more than myself.

I also make video games for a living and love sports, I am a dream father for my son



what do you have to offer a family besides childishness?...maybe I should be your father McFly[/QUOTE]
maybe you should grow the f*ck up and stop being so insecure.:roll:

keep spouting off about money, you are still a dumbass and threads like these never fail to show it.

you would think becoming a father would change your perspective but the way you try to trivialize drunk driving is disgusting.

[QUOTE=MMM]I don't think he meant it that context but i can't speak for him[/QUOTE]
he did...that wasn't a friendly "oh wow, didn't know prime was a father, congrats!"

he has it out for me, always has...he is also just a troll, red bars to prove it

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]maybe you should grow the f*ck up and stop being so insecure.:roll:

keep spouting off about money, you are still a dumbass and threads like these never fail to show it.

you would think becoming a father would change your perspective but the way you try to trivialize drunk driving is disgusting.[/QUOTE]
nothing I said in this thread was dumb...and only someone with complete lack of reading comprehension would take my posts as trying to justify drunk driving...I'm putting things into perspective to show a drunk driver doesn't deserve to be shot on site

"I'm rich, I make videogames and I like sports. Because of this I'm my son's dream father."

Think about that statement for a second there primes. Is this really the attitude you have? Because it makes you sound like a terrible father.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]nothing I said in this thread was dumb...and only someone with complete lack of reading comprehension would take my posts as trying to justify drunk driving...I'm putting things into perspective to show a drunk driver doesn't deserve to be shot on site[/QUOTE]
You should look up trivialize the look at the definition of justify. Then come talk to me about comprehension.

Prime, making money doesn't mean that you are smart. This false sense of intellect you have grown accustomed to having over the years needs to stop. You would think after years of being wrong you could admit it but that same pride/delusion is still present.

[QUOTE=LJJ]"I'm rich, I make videogames and I like sports. Because of this I'm my son's dream father."

Think about that statement for a second there primes. Is this really the attitude you have? Because it makes you sound like a terrible father.[/QUOTE]
I never said "I'm rich" I am pointing out that I can and do take care of my family like a good father would.

I'm not rich...I'm responsible

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]You should look up trivialize the look at the definition of justify. Then come talk to me about comprehension.

Prime, making money doesn't mean that you are smart. This false sense of intellect you have grown accustomed to having over the years needs to stop. You would think after years of being wrong, you could admit it.[/QUOTE]
trying to trivialize shooting someone that crashes into you is disgusting...

All I said was that I paid for son's college fund...that doesn't equate to me bragging about money...that equates to me taking care of my kid...aka being a good father

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I never said "I'm rich" I am pointing out that I can and do take care of my family like a good father would.

I'm not rich...I'm responsible[/QUOTE]

I'm just pointing out how your post came across. "I'm rich, I make videogames and I love sports; I'm the greatest father ever bi[COLOR="Black"]tchess!!![/COLOR]"

That's hopefully not your attitude in real life, but that totally is what your post sounded like. It's very dissonant to, those things are not what makes a great father.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]trying to trivialize shooting someone that crashes into you is disgusting...

All I said was that I paid for son's college fund...that doesn't equate to me bragging about money...that equates to me taking care of my kid...aka being a good father[/QUOTE]
Why does a 22 year old idiot like me know that being a good father is more than making money? You have to invest much more than that prime. This is seriously discouraging.

My parents used to make 500k+ each year from like 03-06 and they were absolutely terrible parents at that time. You have to support your child emotionally, spend time teaching them about the world, life and so much more.

I never said you were bragging about money either. You keep misunderstanding my posts even though I try to make them plain as day. I'm nowhere near an eloquent writer, but god damn dude. You're making this hard.

[QUOTE=LJJ]I'm just pointing out how your post came across. "I'm rich, I make videogames and I love sports; I'm the greatest father ever bi[COLOR="Black"]tchess!!![/COLOR]"

That's hopefully not your attitude in real life, but that totally is what your post sounded like. It's very dissonant to, those things are not what makes a great father.[/QUOTE]
That's just how you read it...

"I'm an ideal father and provider"...that is sums up what I was saying...and I know what makes a great father, I've never loved anything more in my life than my son

The driver and the father are both jackasses. I sympathize far more with the father

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]Why does a 22 year old idiot like me know that being a good father is more than making money? You have to invest much more than that prime. This is seriously discouraging.

My parents used to make 500k+ each year from like 03-06 and they were absolutely terrible parents at that time. You have to support your child emotionally, spend time teaching them about the world, life and so much more.

I never said you were bragging about money either. You keep misunderstanding my posts even though I try to make them plain as day. I'm nowhere near an eloquent writer, but god damn dude. You're making this hard.[/QUOTE]
did I say being a good father is all about money? are you sure it isn't you misunderstanding my posts?

being a good father is more than just "love" as well...it is also being a provider, which I am...I have endless love to give as well

the "video games and sports" comment was meant to show how much time I will be spending with him enjoying those things

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]That's just how you read it...

[B]"I'm an ideal father and provider"...that is sums up what I was saying[/B]...and I know what makes a great father, I've never loved anything more in my life than my son[/QUOTE]

That's what it sums up in your head, because you think liking sports is one of the core aspects to being a good father.

"I make good money, I make videogames and I like sports. Because of that I'm my sons dream father!"

Completely dissonant. So what if your son doesn't like sports? If that's the case you'd be the worst father ever? Because that is how you phrased it. You are a good father because YOU like sports. Right. And what the hell does your job have to do with being a good father?

Those are the main things you list. Your three qualities to being a good father: money, your job and your personal love of sports. It comes across as weird and out of touch.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]nothing I said in this thread was dumb...and only someone with complete lack of reading comprehension would take my posts as trying to justify drunk driving...I'm putting things into perspective to show a drunk driver doesn't deserve to be shot on site[/QUOTE]
Your posts read like an insecure 16 year old's. The overcompensation just oozes out of them. I commend your wife for putting up with you. Its not hard to tell you are a jackass in real life. Im sure you provide well for you children but youll never be able to teach them how to be a man, as you dont even remotely act like one... on a bball message board of all places.

[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]Your posts read like an insecure 16 year old's. The overcompensation just oozes out of them. I commend your wife for putting up with you. Its not hard to tell you are a jackass in real life. Im sure you provide well for you children but youll never be able to teach them how to be a man, as you dont even remotely act like one... on a bball message board of all places.[/QUOTE]
and the "he deserved to get shot" are the "adult" posts? :facepalm

no...no...no

I am the one being an adult "man" in here...the "he deserved to die" posts are the 16 year olds

[QUOTE=LJJ]That's what it sums up in your head, because you think liking sports is one of the core aspects to being a good father.

"I make good money, I make videogames and I like sports. Because of that I'm my sons dream father!"

Completely dissonant. So what if your son doesn't like sports? If that's the case you'd be the worst father ever? Because that is how you phrased it. You are a good father because YOU like sports. Right. And what the hell does your job have to do with being a good father?

Those are the main things you list. Your three qualities to being a good father: money, your job and your personal love of sports. It comes across as weird and out of touch.[/QUOTE]
okay, well I didn't mean for that and I understand completely that there is more to being a father than being a provider.

and you're right, my son may not like sports...or video games...(unlikely though) and if that were the case I would be involved with whatever it is that he does like

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]and the "he deserved to get shot" are the "adult" posts? :facepalm

no...no...no

I am the one being an adult "man" in here...the "he deserved to die" posts are the 16 year olds[/QUOTE]
I think you missed the whole point of my post.


You're not married right? Your wife left you because she got tired of your bs, right?