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[QUOTE=red1]Jordan is an ISH kobe stan the way he uses terrible logic to try to prove a point. If you are going to go with kobe over lbj then use his strong points like his man defense in his prime or his ability to create offense for himself. 5 ringz! is just weak.
Russell > MJ confirmed. 11ringz!!?!?![/QUOTE]
he doesn't give a f*ck
Kobe > Lebron
5 > 1
:applause:
[QUOTE=scandisk_]he doesn't give a f*ck
Kobe > Lebron
5 > 1
:applause:[/QUOTE]
horry> jordan or kobe
7 > 6 or 5
:applause: lol
[QUOTE=Figlo]He also picked Kwame[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: @ citing the draft. 99% of gm's are wrong.
Witnessing talent and guessing are completely different things.
Who ever said MJ made great decisions as a gm?
[QUOTE=red1]horry> jordan or kobe
7 > 6 or 5
:applause: lol[/QUOTE]
Horry was a role player. Winning can only be a criteria for elite players, players who lead their respective teams with their play and put their team mates into position to excel Horry, although a good role player, cannot be compared to the all-time greats like Jordan and Kobe. Horry could only shine and win when elite players he played with put him into a position to do so. A Robert Horry's can't put a team on his back and put his teammates in a position to win like a Jordan or a Kobe caliber player.
[QUOTE=Dave3]What? MJ just said last year that the top 2 players ever are him and Kobe. He puts himself top all time above everyone who came before him and after him. He's got no problem putting himself above anyone.[/QUOTE]
When the hell was this? I've never heard Jordan say in the media that he was better then any of the greatest players much less proclaim himself the GOAT. And I've definitely never heard him say Kobe was 2nd.
Man u guys dont listen for shit
Im on my phone but damn looking at the interview, he states thats a tough one, then states Kevin Durant...they laugh.... he states in ref to pure dominance right now Lebron James, he then looks at careers and starts talking about Kobe at age 34 logging tons of minutes trying to guard opposing point guards says thats insane...he's cursed like me...but last time I checked 5 is greater than 1. He is then asked about Durant and he said hes coming up on those guys through the back door
He knows Lebron is better right now, but he also knows Kobe isnt in his prime and thinks its probably unfair to compare the two at this stage...one guy in his prime the other on his downside
[QUOTE=Calabis]Man u guys dont listen for shit
Im on my phone but damn looking at the interview, he states thats a tough one, then states Kevin Durant...they laugh.... he states in ref to pure dominance right now Lebron James, he then looks at careers and starts talking about Kobe at age 34 logging tons of minutes trying to guard opposing point guards says thats insane...he's cursed like me...but last time I checked 5 is greater than 1. He is then asked about Durant and he said hes coming up on those guys through the back door
He knows Lebron is better right now, but he also knows Kobe isnt in his prime and thinks its probably unfair to compare the two at this stage...one guy in his prime the other on his downside[/QUOTE]
This....
- He didn't say Kobe is better right now......he also said Lebron is dominating basketball more then anyone ....
- MJ meant Kobe > Lebron as a basketball player ( based on Kobe bieng the greater Champion/winner)
[B]For the Basketball illiterate:[/B] HE(MJ) is comparing the 2 greatest players/superstars of the past decade.....
- not role players ( cough Horry).... or Highschools kids coming into the NBA ( cough Brown or AM)...but 2 proven elite basketball players.
- seriously.....the people still using "Horry" or " Cousy" arguements are F'ing stupid.
- Not sure what all the confusion is about....lots of Rustled Kobe haters gettin thier Jimmies on....
- Kobe is the greater Champion.....MJ values Winning over everything....that'
s what made him.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]This....
- He didn't say Kobe is better right now......he also said Lebron is dominating basketball more then anyone ....
- MJ meant Kobe > Lebron as a basketball player ( based on Kobe bieng the greater Champion/winner)
[B]For the Basketball illiterate:[/B] HE(MJ) is comparing the 2 greatest players/superstars of the past decade.....
- not role players ( cough Horry).... or Highschools kids coming into the NBA ( cough Brown or AM)...but 2 proven elite basketball players.
- seriously.....the people still using "Horry" or " Cousy" arguements are F'ing stupid.
- Not sure what all the confusion is about....lots of Rustled Kobe haters gettin thier Jimmies on....
- Kobe is the greater Champion.....MJ values Winning over everything....that'
s what made him.[/QUOTE]
So I guess MJ thinks Russel is the GOAT?
^^ lol at kobe is the greater champion. My ass.
Give Lebron or Wade a PRIME Shaq for 8 years and either one of them win 5 rings, not just 3 in 8 years.
Give Lebron a dominant frontcourt of Odom/Bynum/Gasol when they were younger and obviously much better than they are now (and 3 bigs who can all pass the ball extremely well, which is huge and often overlooked), in the pathetic western conference that had crappy frontcourts, and Lebron has 8 rings now, not just 5.
What happened when OKC brought in Perkins to add to Ikaka and Durant up front to match the Lakers frontcourt ???, and what happened when Dallas brought in Chandler to add to Dirk up front matching the Lakers frontcourt advantage in the West ?
What happened was Kobe was exposed as the fraud he always was. Kobe and the lakers got trounced 8 games to one in those 2 series vs OKC and Dallas with early playoff exits. Without a dominant frontcourt that could breeze through the western playoffs Kobe is (and was) useless. Nobody in the west was fearful of Kobe the stringbean Bryant and his chucking and stupid play. They were fearful of the lakers frontcourt length and ability.
MJ is just trying desperately to make a legacy of rings, for his own benefit, not anyone else. As Miller said last night, MJ's comments are hogwash because he knows Lebron is staring over his shoulder as the GOAT.
[QUOTE=LikeABosh]So I guess MJ thinks Russel is the GOAT?[/QUOTE]
- who knows?.....Russell has a legimitate case though...
- But Russell dominated 30 years before MJ came into the NBA....really hard to compare 30 year diffrence and much diffrent style of game.
- Lebron and Kobe have overlapping careers.....and play in a much similar era.
- Russell was named the GOAT in 1980....and has teh Finals MVP named after him.
- that would have never happened if he choked in the Finals every year
[QUOTE=Hank]^^ lol at kobe is the greater champion. My ass.
Give Lebron or Wade a PRIME Shaq for 8 years and either one of them win 5 rings, not just 3 in 8 years.
Give Lebron a dominant frontcourt of Odom/Bynum/Gasol when they were younger and obviously much better than they are now (and 3 bigs who can all pass the ball extremely well, which is huge and often overlooked), in the pathetic western conference that had crappy frontcourts, and Lebron has 8 rings now, not just 5.
What happened when OKC brought in Perkins to add to Ikaka and Durant up front to match the Lakers frontcourt ???, and what happened when Dallas brought in Chandler to add to Dirk up front matching the Lakers frontcourt advantage in the West ?
What happened was Kobe was exposed as the fraud he always was. Kobe and the lakers got trounced 8 games to one in those 2 series vs OKC and Dallas with early playoff exits. Without a dominant frontcourt that could breeze through the western playoffs Kobe is (and was) useless. Nobody in the west was fearful of Kobe the stringbean Bryant and his chucking and stupid play. They were fearful of the lakers frontcourt length and ability.
MJ is just trying desperately to make a legacy of rings, for his own benefit, not anyone else. As Miller said last night, MJ's comments are hogwash because he knows Lebron is staring over his shoulder as the GOAT.[/QUOTE]
In the quote he says Kobe has had the more successful career, not that he's better. How is that not undeniable? And that should be the case given Kobe has had twice as long of a career. People are making something out of nothing.
[QUOTE=Hank]^^ lol at kobe is the greater champion. My ass.
Give Lebron or Wade a PRIME Shaq for 8 years and either one of them win 5 rings, not just 3 in 8 years.
Give Lebron a dominant frontcourt of Odom/Bynum/Gasol when they were younger and obviously much better than they are now (and 3 bigs who can all pass the ball extremely well, which is huge and often overlooked), in the pathetic western conference that had crappy frontcourts, and Lebron has 8 rings now, not just 5.
What happened when OKC brought in Perkins to add to Ikaka and Durant up front to match the Lakers frontcourt ???, and what happened when Dallas brought in Chandler to add to Dirk up front matching the Lakers frontcourt advantage in the West ?
What happened was Kobe was exposed as the fraud he always was. Kobe and the lakers got trounced 8 games to one in those 2 series vs OKC and Dallas with early playoff exits. Without a dominant frontcourt that could breeze through the western playoffs Kobe is (and was) useless. Nobody in the west was fearful of Kobe the stringbean Bryant and his chucking and stupid play. They were fearful of the lakers frontcourt length and ability.
MJ is just trying desperately to make a legacy of rings, for his own benefit, not anyone else. As Miller said last night, MJ's comments are hogwash because he knows Lebron is staring over his shoulder as the GOAT.[/QUOTE]
UMAD...:lol
What happened when Lebron got DPOY Ben Wallace?....with an all star backcourt teammate?....still got merked.....
what happened when Lebron Joined Prime wade and Prime Bosh......still got merked.
Lebron had to become a better player and better shooter/post player .....he didn't have those same skillset early in his career ( like Kobe did).....
( copy and paste this)
Kobe>Lebron.....even the Kobetard MJ agrees...
neener...neener...neener....
[QUOTE=miller-time]I actually think MJ is set against LeBron. From memory I've never really heard him say anything overly positive about the guy. Right now it feels like he has to begrudgingly acknowledge LeBron's ability.[/QUOTE]
Jordan has rarely came out and said anything about any of the players after him.
[QUOTE=guy]In the quote he says Kobe has had the more successful career, not that he's better. How is that not undeniable? And that should be the case given Kobe has had twice as long of a career. People are making something out of nothing.[/QUOTE]
- MJ never said anything about careers...
- He said Kobe because...Kobe's skillset is proven to be more effective at winning then Lebrons.
- Jordan obviosly puts way more into winning vs marginal Stats differences...
- Yes Kobe has played longer.....but he is still going.....and his skillset is Proven Time and Time again
hey GUY...you gotta admit......MJ sounds like a Kobetard right?
[QUOTE=jstern]If you ask Jordan in an interview and not where he ranks, he'll say top 10 guard of all time, because he's always talking about not being disrespectful to other all time great guards. And remember, he wasn't talking about just shooting guards.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: I'm a huge Jordan fan and hate Kobe, but that was definitely a slight. And from what I remember, he didn't even say Kobe was a top 10 guard of all-time. I think he said Kobe is "probably" a top 10 guard of all-time. :oldlol:
From the point of view that the media takes, I would assume that they would make a case for at least arguably Jordan, Magic, West, and Oscar. Then maybe just to be nice, he'd consider some of the lesser guards like Isiah, Cousy, etc. So maybe him saying top 10 instead of top 5 is explainable and not just him being a dick about it. But the fact that he couldn't even emphatically say he's top 10 comes across clearly as a slight.
He's never admitted it, but I guarantee that Jordan cringes whenever people compare Kobe's ring count to Jordan's since 3 of them came with Shaq and since Kobe's playoff performances don't really compare. He probably says to himself that if he had had Shaq for 8 years he probably would've broken Russell's record :oldlol:
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- MJ never said anything about careers...
- He said Kobe because...Kobe's skillset is proven to be more effective at winning then Lebrons.
- Jordan obviosly puts way more into winning vs marginal Stats differences...
- Yes Kobe has played longer.....but he is still going.....and his skillset is Proven Time and Time again
hey GUY...you gotta admit......MJ sounds like a Kobetard right?[/QUOTE]
He didn't say anything like that unless you're referring to something else. He referred to Kobe's attitude which is based on their career. The Inside Crew basically said the same thing afterwards.
This is more like it. Took yall long enough to start the shit talking :pimp:
[QUOTE=guy]He didn't say anything like that unless you're referring to something else. He referred to [B][SIZE="4"]Kobe's attitude[/SIZE][/B] which is based on their career. The Inside Crew basically said the same thing afterwards.[/QUOTE]
Think about it for 1 second....
- Ahmad Rashad didn't ask....who's career is better?......that is stupid.
- He asked ..."Kobe or Lebron?".....( who is the better player?....better player at thier absolute best?)
- at thier best.....Both are Champions, Both can take over games and impose thier will.....Kobe's skillset has done it more and more often.....
that's why MJ said Kobe....of course Kobe's career is better....he played longer,
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Think about it for 1 second....
- Ahmad Rashad didn't ask....who's career is better?......that is stupid.
- He asked ..."Kobe or Lebron?".....( who is the better player?....better player at thier absolute best?)
- at thier best.....Both are Champions, Both can take over games and impose thier will.....Kobe's skillset has done it more and more often.....
that's why MJ said Kobe....of course Kobe's career is better....he played longer,[/QUOTE]
Yes, but then he referred to their championships. If they were just talking about them at their best, the ring count is irrelevant. He wasn't talking about right now or both at their best.
It was obviously not a very specified question. But if he's referring to ring count, then career is obviously what he's referring to. He even said that doesn't mean Lebron can't get more.
[QUOTE=LikeABosh]So I guess MJ thinks Russel is the GOAT?[/QUOTE]
Possibly since he himself doesn't think its fair to anoint him GOAT. He's always said its unfair to the guys who came before him and he never got a chance to play against those guys
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6VWg39NpQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6VWg39NpQ[/URL]
8:42 minute mark if you need to hear what he thinks about himself being called the greatest
It seems like LeBron is butt hurt now.
He needs to learn to just shut his mouth and let his play do the talking.
He is becoming annoying again.
[QUOTE=crisoner]It seems like LeBron is butt hurt now.
He needs to learn to just shut his mouth and let his play do the talking.
He is becoming annoying again.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=crisoner]It seems like LeBron is butt hurt now.
He needs to learn to just shut his mouth and let his play do the talking.
He is becoming annoying again.[/QUOTE]
^da fuq is dis niqqa talkin' bout? :confusedshrug:
Lots of salty LBJ nut huggers here:oldlol:
I imagine had MJ picked LBJ, y'all would be creaming your pants:lol
[QUOTE=TheMan]Lots of salty LBJ nut huggers here:oldlol:
I imagine had MJ picked LBJ, y'all would be creaming your pants:lol[/QUOTE]
bacon n eggs
MJ is hating on LeBron just Oscar Robertson hated on MJ...
[QUOTE=guy]When the hell was this? I've never heard Jordan say in the media that he was better then any of the greatest players much less proclaim himself the GOAT. And I've definitely never heard him say Kobe was 2nd.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you're familiar with me as a poster or anything but I'm not known for just fabricating stuff. I can't find it right away because google search is now flooded with the "LeBron vs Kobe" Jordan comments but maybe you can find it. You remember something earlier in this season (or maybe end of last season) when Jordan said something along the lines of "It's me and Kobe and then everybody else"
I don't know if I remember it wrongly but I'm pretty sure my mind wouldn't trick me this badly. Let me know if you can find it.
[QUOTE=Dave3]I don't know if you're familiar with me as a poster or anything but I'm not known for just fabricating stuff. I can't find it right away because google search is now flooded with the "LeBron vs Kobe" Jordan comments but maybe you can find it. You remember something earlier in this season (or maybe end of last season) when Jordan said something along the lines of "It's me and Kobe and then everybody else"
[B]I don't know if I remember it wrongly[/B] but I'm pretty sure my mind wouldn't trick me this badly. Let me know if you can find it.[/QUOTE]
You do. Maybe he was talking specifically about SGs, but even that, I never heard anything about.
[QUOTE=Godzuki]i'll never understand why Kobe couldn't have learned to pass earlier in his career than now. i know he's capable and probably has always been capable but its just bball IQ to pass it for easy baskets when everyone is so focused on you. MJ figured it out way earlier than Kobe, and to think Kobe just got it this late in his career is just pitiful. he's a beast this year but really stupid way too many games throughout his previous career to not hold it against him. they wouldn't have ever needed nash if Kobe played like this before.
the ring argument has so much to do with luck its lame when people play it so hard.[/QUOTE]
Kobes been averaging the same amount of assists for 12 years. Whats with this shit about just learning now?
interesting. what would MJ say if kobe ends his career with 7 rings. who in their right mind would pick kobe>mj?
[QUOTE=9512]MJ is hating on LeBron just Oscar Robertson hated on MJ...[/QUOTE]
thats because hes competitive. And worse is that he did this on a guy who idolized him and wore his number. LOL Mj doesnt give a fcuk about his fanboy