Jordan Says Only 4 Current Player Could Play in His Era

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Really you think Kobe would Dominate .. what a Shock.. Seriously you are a hack. It really must Irk you that there is a player WHILE KOBE IS STILL PLAYING that has passed him. Kobe might be most overrated player of all time. He is Very Lucky to have had Shaq win him 3 Ships while being the Complimentary piece and than playing with a Stacked Lakers team being the So called man. Whenever Kobe has not been on a stacked team he never has Carried that team to greater height than they should have achieved like Lebron did with the Cavs.[/QUOTE]
Go Lakers! All this talk is really crazy coming from some clown who switches teams every couple years.

Way to take a statement out of context.... :facepalm

You guys re-read what MJ said. Idiots.... :roll:

[QUOTE=tontoz]25 years ago Jordan had no rings.

Some of you guys are really exaggerating. James Harden is dominating now but he is undersized and not that athletic.

Durant is one of the weakest forwards of any era, and isn't quick either. He doesn't like contact unless it gets him to the foul line. His production would definitely suffer under the old rules.[/QUOTE]

Jordan started playing in the Mid 80's dude that is over 25 years..

[QUOTE=Kevin_Garnett_5]:oldlol: Ridiculous statement, but he'll get away with it because he's Michael Jordan.[/QUOTE]
no he won't he's getting flamed by everyone in the world right now for a troll

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Jordan started playing in the Mid 80's dude that is over 25 years..[/QUOTE]


Like i said 25 years ago Jordan had no rings. He was only in his 3rd year in 1987. He won his last finals in 1998, only 15 years ago.

Your "bigger, stronger, faster" comment was nonsense. do you have any actual documentation to prove this? I didn't think so.

The best pg in todays game is probably CP3 and he isn't bigger,stronger, faster than players in Jordans era. Centers certainly aren't "bigger, stronger, faster" than Drob, Shaq and Hakeem. What power forward is "bigger, stronger, faster" than Karl Malone?

No way Al Horford makes an All-Star game at center in Jordan's era.

[QUOTE=ZeN]Much of Garnett has been false bravado and manic 'look how crazy i am' posturing.. If he were to have played in the 'bad boys' era or in the knicks vs heat brawling type era, where rough play was permitted.. he wouldnt be the menacing KG that we know now. He would be a tough great defensive player but he would be one in a pool of many.

I would have liked to see him go all 'Your wife smells like cheerios' to Charles Oakley :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
you do know he played in that era rich? He's been in the league since 96 or something like that. Wasn't Kobe in that era since 97 or something?

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]It's hilarious just try and think of players that would had to defend Lebron back in "MJ's era"

Ehlo, Dumars, payton LOL[/QUOTE]
Why would he be guarded by guards? Mason, McDaniel, Chuck Person, Pippen, Rodman, those are the players that would guard him. Durant guarding LeBron is actually funnier than Ehlo guarding him. Team defense was better back then. Yes, some of it was just hacking, but it was better.

[QUOTE=Big#50]Why would he be guarded by guards? Mason, McDaniel, Chuck Person, Pippen, Rodman, those are the players that would guard him. Durant guarding LeBron is actually funnier than Ehlo guarding him. Team defense was better back then. Yes, some of it was just hacking, but it was better.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more.

Plus, LeBron isn't the quickest off the dribble. That hand check would keep defenders LEGALLY even more glued to his hip.

I truly think in a more physical league LeBron would have to switch to PF. And why is STATUTORY laughing at being guarded by Ehlo, Payton, Dumars, Alvin Robertson?

3 of those fellas are some of the best perimeter defenders the game has ever seen. Why do Kobe Kids feel the need to argue length or athleticism = great defense. Because it doesn't. At all.

Those guys would be difficult to beat off the dribble for LeBron. Hell, he had difficulty with old Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion.

:facepalm

LeBron would push off all day and would become one of the better defenders in the league in the 90's

LeBron = greatest defender of all time in the 90's.

[QUOTE=BrickingStar]LeBron would push off all day and would become one of the better defenders in the league in the 90's[/QUOTE]
No one is saying it wouldn't allow him to be a better defender, but his perimeter game would be different. That's for sure.

[QUOTE=tontoz]Like i said 25 years ago Jordan had no rings. He was only in his 3rd year in 1987. He won his last finals in 1998, only 15 years ago.

Your "bigger, stronger, faster" comment was nonsense. do you have any actual documentation to prove this? I didn't think so.

The best pg in todays game is probably CP3 and he isn't bigger,stronger, faster than players in Jordans era. Centers certainly aren't "bigger, stronger, faster" than Drob, Shaq and Hakeem. What power forward is "bigger, stronger, faster" than Karl Malone?

No way Al Horford makes an All-Star game at center in Jordan's era.[/QUOTE]


Shaq played more in Lebrons Era than Jordan. Yes Centers back than were more skilled. I think the Difference is More Guards and Swingmen are long and athletic. I mean back than most PG's were between 6" and 6"2 now PG's are more in the 6"3 and 6"4 range. Now U have 6"8t o even 6"11 SF's back than most were 6"7 to 6"8. This is the reason why todays NBA there are more Small lineups or unorthodox lineups because the lack of True big men and the sIze and athletic ability of guards and Forwards. Also a reason why Fundamentals were lost because too many young players Relied on their athletic ability and looking for Highlight dunk rather than working on their shooting ability. As much as I dont Like KG he was a pioneer as one of the first 7 footers who can handle, run and shoot like a Guard or SF..The NBA starting changing from that point to where it is now.

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Shaq played more in Lebrons Era than Jordan. Yes Centers back than were more skilled. I think the Difference is More Guards and Swingmen are long and athletic. [/QUOTE]


Curry
Monta
Beal
Waiters
Gordon (Eric and Ben)
Harden
Redick


Is this what you mean by long and athletic? Do you think these guys could guard Jordan?

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Really you think Kobe would Dominate .. what a Shock.. Seriously you are a hack. It really must Irk you that there is a player WHILE KOBE IS STILL PLAYING that has passed him. Kobe might be most overrated player of all time. He is Very Lucky to have had Shaq win him 3 Ships while being the Complimentary piece and than playing with a Stacked Lakers team being the So called man. Whenever Kobe has not been on a stacked team he never has Carried that team to greater height than they should have achieved like Lebron did with the Cavs.[/QUOTE]

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I wouldn't call Kobe the "most overrated player ever". That OBVIOUSLY going way overboard into tard territory.

Is he overrated? Perhaps. Some people rate him exactly where he belongs. Some overrate him, some underrate him. I can certainly think of players who IMO received more undue credit than Kobe has.

Jordan seems to forget he played a lot of his career in the 80s, an era of suspiciously high scores and statistics. Go watch games from the 80s and tell me today's stars wouldn't be able to score as much in that era.
As for the 90s, I understand why he would make that point, but listing only 4 players removes all credibility from his argument...

[QUOTE=Kovach]Jordan's era didn't start with the 95 expansion. Late 80's and early 90's in general had much better wings than the league has today.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think people are thinking about SG's. And in my opinion, the depth of talent at SG's in MJ's era wasn't on the level of the 2000s. But wings ALSO include SF's. Hell when I hear wing player I first think of an SF or a SG-SF type. So when u factor in these SF's who played while MJ was in the L u can see that MJ's era had more depth among wings (SG and SF's combined):

Bird
Nique
King
English
Aguirre
Worthy
Mullin
Pippen
Dantley
Kiki
Chambers (played both SF and PF)
X Man

If u look at today's SF's, Bron, Durant, Melo, and Pierce would shoot right toward the top. But the SF's like Gay, Danilo, Granger, etc. can't touch those guys from the 80's. In my list u have seven HOFers. King is a top 5-8 SF ever peak value wise and Aguirre was nasty and has as good of scoring skillset as any SF. The SF's of the 80's simply swing the balance of power of wings to Jordan's era. Even though my peer group the 2000s smoke the SG depth MJ's era had.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]I have a hard time believing the expansion team Raptors would give Wade many problems[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[QUOTE=BoutPractice][B]Jordan seems to forget he played a lot of his career in the 80s, an era of suspiciously high scores and statistics.[/B] Go watch games from the 80s and tell me today's stars wouldn't be able to score as much in that era.
As for the 90s, I understand why he would make that point, but listing only 4 players removes all credibility from his argument...[/QUOTE]
Yeah. It's called "nobody played defense in the '80's".


The toughest defensive eras were the 50's-60's and the the 90's. 80's were weak at best.

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Jordan seems to forget he played a lot of his career in the 80s, an era of suspiciously high scores and statistics. Go watch games from the 80s and tell me today's stars wouldn't be able to score as much in that era.
As for the 90s, I understand why he would make that point, but listing only 4 players removes all credibility from his argument...[/QUOTE]

Right on the money! The best of today would wreak havoc on the guys from MJ's era. But I think MJ's era had more depth from top to bottom overall. Mainly due to SF's and C's.

[QUOTE=bizil]Right on the money! The best of today would wreak havoc on the guys from MJ's era. [B]But I think MJ's era had more depth from top to bottom overall. [/B] Mainly due to SF's and C's.[/QUOTE]
More depth or the illusion of more depth. By that, I mean, do you just remember more standout players? More standout players doesn't necessarily mean more league wide depth. Kind of the opposite actually. If you have 20 guys that stand out, that seems like a lot of really good players, but if you have like 60 really good players, it's only the truly elite players that stand out. The 50 or so really good players just kinda blend in.

What a ludicrous statement

[QUOTE=ZeN]Much of Garnett has been false bravado and manic 'look how crazy i am' posturing.. If he were to have played in the 'bad boys' era or in the knicks vs heat brawling type era, where rough play was permitted.. he wouldnt be the menacing KG that we know now. He would be a tough great defensive player but he would be one in a pool of many.

I would have liked to see him go all 'Your wife smells like cheerios' to Charles Oakley :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

beyond the "menace" KG was a beast from 1997-2007. He dominated big men for an entire decade using more than "false bravado", last time I checked that didn't make you a double double machine and perennial DPOY candidate.

Kevin Garnett might be the single most underrated player in the history of the NBA.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Kevin Garnett might be the single most underrated player in the history of the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Manu Ginobili says hi.

[QUOTE=Money 23]I couldn't agree more.

Plus, LeBron isn't the quickest off the dribble. That hand check would keep defenders LEGALLY even more glued to his hip.

I truly think in a more physical league LeBron would have to switch to PF. And why is STATUTORY laughing at being guarded by Ehlo, Payton, Dumars, Alvin Robertson?

3 of those fellas are some of the best perimeter defenders the game has ever seen. Why do Kobe Kids feel the need to argue length or athleticism = great defense. Because it doesn't. At all.

Those guys would be difficult to beat off the dribble for LeBron. Hell, he had difficulty with old Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]
If you've ever handchecked someone 30 or even 20 lbs heavier you know how useless it is. For it to have any affect/leverage you have to plant your feet hard. For a guy that weights 40 lbs and fast its a pure joke. Nobody handchecked Malone or Barkley if they did they just spent off of them, which is easeir than making a move. Lebron is as heavy and way quicker then Malone or Barkley.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]More depth or the illusion of more depth. By that, I mean, do you just remember more standout players? More standout players doesn't necessarily mean more league wide depth. Kind of the opposite actually. If you have 20 guys that stand out, that seems like a lot of really good players, but if you have like 60 really good players, it's only the truly elite players that stand out. The 50 or so really good players just kinda blend in.[/QUOTE]

Im talking more standout HOF caliber players across the board. Guys that jump off the page if you're a true bball fan. U gotta realize the era of Kobe, Duncan, KG. etc. is closing soon. Out of that era and today, how many SF's will make the HOF? U got Pierce and Bron for sure, KD and Melo most certainly. Compare that to the guys in the 80's. U have nearly double the amount of guys on that level at SF. U got guys like Bird, Nique, Pippen, Mullin, Worthy, English, and Dantley all in the HOF. SF doesn't have the same DEPTH in terms of elite level talent. On the other hand, there is more elite level talent at PG than there has ever been currently.

[QUOTE=Bobcats2013]Manu Ginobili says hi.[/QUOTE]
injuries and pop held manu back.

Top scoring SFin the 90's.

The top SF scorers in the 90's at SF position are Nique and Hill who are very different from the rest, then there's Chris Mullin, *Glenn Robinson, Glenn Rice, and Antoine Walker - its one of the worse decades for SF's. The 90's favored shooters and guys with moves from this position. The argument for speed and quicness to succeed is that Sprewell, primarily at SG tho, who is only quick, didn't have much moves, comes in like 7th in scoring one year. All of these guys cracked the top 10 in scoring in the decade. I can't think of an argument against speed and quickness from a SF scorer.

Chris Mullin was a very slow shooter with a few moves - Very similar to a healthy Mike Miller.

Glenn Rice another guy for the all slow motion team. Good shooter. Wasn't good with the dribble. A rich mans Martell Webster.

Antoine Walker shot 414% for his career, but 32.5 from 3 point land. Had moves though - best one was the head shimmy after a made basket. Was slow and couldn't defend.

Glenn Robinson - like all listed above he is slow as molasses and sucked at defense. Had good power moves and could make an open three. He was consistent in his output but like Antoine has the lazy label.

Its amazing that Pippen didn't get a reputation as a lock down defender when these guys are among the best out there. Obviously Lebron's speed would be very problematic for the league.

Hill and Dominique are qualified scorers. Top defenders are Rodman, Anthony Mason and Pippen. Pippen had real trouble with Hill and Dominique. Rodman slowed them all down (can't recall him on Hill tho) in several instances but Dominique got him good on a few as well.

At the SG position are Finley, Sprewell, Hardaway and Payton are the other wing players that make the cut as top ten scorers. I think reggie Miller made it one year too.

This is not impressive at all.

Sour grapes on KG??? In one of Jordan's later all star games Jordan had to guard KG, KG didn't take it easy on him at all, and won MVP.

Durant who is likely to break a couple of Jordan scoring records, is Dirk on steriods. As to how he can have one on his list and not the other is bizarre. But the GOAT has been on a bitter drink the whole week.

Jordan isn't really good at talent evaluation straight up so transpoing people back into another era, is definitely a bit too taxing on him. Particurally, guys who don't wear his shoes.

I'm glad he didn't list D-Whistle. He'd definitely be a scrub in the 90's.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Top scoring SFin the 90's.

The top SF scorers in the 90's at SF position are Nique and Hill who are very different from the rest, then there's Chris Mullin, *Glenn Robinson, Glenn Rice, and Antoine Walker - its one of the worse decades for SF's. The 90's favored shooters and guys with moves from this position. The argument for speed and quicness to succeed is that Sprewell, primarily at SG tho, who is only quick, didn't have much moves, comes in like 7th in scoring one year. All of these guys cracked the top 10 in scoring in the decade. I can't think of an argument against speed and quickness from a SF scorer.

[B]Chris Mullin was a very slow shooter with a few moves - Very similar to a healthy Mike Miller.

Glenn Rice another guy for the all slow motion team. Good shooter. Wasn't good with the dribble. A rich mans Martell Webster. [/B]

Antoine Walker shot 414% for his career, but 32.5 from 3 point land. Had moves though - best one was the head shimmy after a made basket. Was slow and couldn't defend.

Glenn Robinson - like all listed above he is slow as molasses and sucked at defense. Had good power moves and could make an open three. He was consistent in his output but like Antoine has the lazy label.

Its amazing that Pippen didn't get a reputation as a lock down defender when these guys are among the best out there. Obviously Lebron's speed would be very problematic for the league.

Hill and Dominique are qualified scorers. Top defenders are Rodman, Anthony Mason and Pippen. Pippen had real trouble with Hill and Dominique. Rodman slowed them all down (can't recall him on Hill tho) in several instances but Dominique got him good on a few as well.

At the SG position are Finley, Sprewell, Hardaway and Payton are the other wing players that make the cut as top ten scorers. I think reggie Miller made it one year too.

This is not impressive at all.[/QUOTE]


That is because it is a horrible list. Did you really compare Mullin to Mike Miller? Rice to Webster?

:facepalm

Ever hear of a guy named Mashburn? Gill?

No mention of Drexler and Mitch Richmond among the SGs?

Wow

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Top scoring SFin the 90's.

The top SF scorers in the 90's at SF position are Nique and Hill who are very different from the rest, then there's Chris Mullin, *Glenn Robinson, Glenn Rice, and Antoine Walker - its one of the worse decades for SF's. The 90's favored shooters and guys with moves from this position. The argument for speed and quicness to succeed is that Sprewell, primarily at SG tho, who is only quick, didn't have much moves, comes in like 7th in scoring one year. All of these guys cracked the top 10 in scoring in the decade. I can't think of an argument against speed and quickness from a SF scorer.

Chris Mullin was a very slow shooter with a few moves - Very similar to a healthy Mike Miller.

Glenn Rice another guy for the all slow motion team. Good shooter. Wasn't good with the dribble. A rich mans Martell Webster.

Antoine Walker shot 414% for his career, but 32.5 from 3 point land. Had moves though - best one was the head shimmy after a made basket. Was slow and couldn't defend.

Glenn Robinson - like all listed above he is slow as molasses and sucked at defense. Had good power moves and could make an open three. He was consistent in his output but like Antoine has the lazy label.

Its amazing that Pippen didn't get a reputation as a lock down defender when these guys are among the best out there. Obviously Lebron's speed would be very problematic for the league.

Hill and Dominique are qualified scorers. Top defenders are Rodman, Anthony Mason and Pippen. Pippen had real trouble with Hill and Dominique. Rodman slowed them all down (can't recall him on Hill tho) in several instances but Dominique got him good on a few as well.

At the SG position are Finley, Sprewell, Hardaway and Payton are the other wing players that make the cut as top ten scorers. I think reggie Miller made it one year too.

This is not impressive at all.[/QUOTE]
What years are you basing this on? I find it too hard to make any fair assesment because players careers overlap, positions change, injuries. Theres far too many variables to make this determination.


I do feel the Center position has been terrible over the last decade. And you can base that on any particular year.

I am sure that there are more than just four players who could play in the rugged '80s and 90s. I actually think D-Wade could thrive in that '80s and '90s basketball era. Kyrie Irving is another that comes to mind. KG could play he just would not be doing any of that silly barking and trying to punk a player. I love KG but Xavier McDaniel or a Charles Oakley would put a stop to that silly stuff.

Wade couldn't make it in the 90's. It takes a certain toughness and skill. MJ, Drexler, and Miller are clearly superior than Wade.

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Wade couldn't make it in the 90's. [B]It takes a certain toughness and skill[/B]. MJ, Drexler, and Miller are clearly superior than Wade.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget steve Kerr and Jeff Horacek. You know, the "tough guys".

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Don't forget steve Kerr and Jeff Horacek. You know, the "tough guys".[/QUOTE]
i'll tell you what, and you probably don't care because i doubt you were a miami heat fan in 2006. wade would have been a little more cautious recklessly driving to the hoop like he was constantly doing that year.

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]i'll tell you what, and you probably don't care because [B]i doubt you were a miami heat fan in 2006[/B]. wade would have been a little more cautious recklessly driving to the hoop like he was constantly doing that year.[/QUOTE]
Wrong again Bob, but I can see why you would think that with absolutely no evidence to suggest it to be the case.

[QUOTE=NA2126]Dirk is pretty soft, if that's what MJ was basing his statement off of.[/QUOTE]


Negged you noob

[QUOTE=DCL]he only named guys with rings.

to mj, rings are everything. it's his subtle way of telling everybody he's always above magic and bird, no discussion.[/QUOTE]


Thank God David Stern named the Finals MVP Award after Bill " I have 5 more rings than Jordan" Russell.

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