As expected Lakers win without Kobe

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]No I'm not.

I know a fake chucker when I see one.

I never liked AI & Kobe is a same catagory.

anyone can chuck, chuck & chuck & get to 35 ppg.

But not everyone can get 25 ppg & 10 rpg.

Anyone can shoot 45%FG or Less.

Not everyone can shoot 50%FG or more.

& please dont lecture me about "there is not much difference btw 45% & 50%, its only 5% difference"

But the reality is the difference btw Winner & looser is a SINGLE Pt. Thats the only Truth.

[B]AI & Kobe has SHOT their way to LOSSES.

MJ & LBJ has SHOT their way to VICTORIES.[/B][/QUOTE]
kobe shot himself to 5 rings. RIP your argument

[QUOTE=Quizno]kobe shot himself to 5 rings. RIP your argument[/QUOTE]

Really? So he never had Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Shaquille O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, or Pau Gasol?

Why do people make Kobe out to be some god that never had teammates? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Really? So he never had Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Shaquille O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, or Pau Gasol?

Why do people make Kobe out to be some god that never had teammates? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Same reason why MJ is made to be a God, when all his rings came with Pippen. And he also had role players like Paxson who hit key three pointers.

[QUOTE=usa hoops]Same reason why MJ is made to be a God, when all his rings came with Pippen. And he also had role players like Paxson who hit key three pointers.[/QUOTE]

No one ever says "MJ shot himself to 6 rings" though. Misinformed statements make me go :wtf: :banghead:

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Really? So he never had Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Shaquille O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, or Pau Gasol?

Why do people make Kobe out to be some god that never had teammates? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Really? So MJ never had Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, etc.?
So LeBron never had Wade, Bosh, Miller, Cole, Chalmers, etc?

Stupid ass argument. You're saying LeBron & MJ "shot" their way to wins while Kobe shot his way to "losses," but last time anyone checked, Kobe has 5 rings compared to your lover's 1.

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Edit: Didn't realize you weren't gheniskhan. It's hard telling you LBJ dick riders apart.

[QUOTE=Scholar]Really? So MJ never had Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, etc.?
So LeBron never had Wade, Bosh, Miller, Cole, Chalmers, etc?

Stupid ass argument. You're saying LeBron & MJ "shot" their way to wins while Kobe shot his way to "losses," but last time anyone checked, Kobe has 5 rings compared to your lover's 1.

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Edit: Didn't realize you weren't gheniskhan. It's hard telling you LBJ dick riders apart.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize being a fan of a player meant you were a dick rider. Does that mean if you're a fan of a team, you ride every players dick on the roster? :rolleyes:

Why would anyone be shocked that a team featuring a 18/13 3x DPOY and a 2X MVP great playmaker would win a game? :confusedshrug:

I know Bean fans like to belittle these all star caliber players to try to prop up their boy, but these guys have led their teams to deep playoff runs individually but you expect them to not win a regular season game together?

Here is me trying to strike a realistic balance between the Kobe Fans and the Kobe haters.

In the short term the Lakers are better without Kobe for exactly the reason the Haters say. He plays hero ball a lot and he gets the rest of the team used to standing around and watching him go one on one and jacking up contested 30 footers. With him out of the lineup they play better team basketball and since they have great TEAM pieces It's no surprise they played well.

HOWEVER!!!!

In order for them to be the best team they can be Kobe is their most valuable piece. The times when Kobe plays within the flow of the offense (I'm thinking 08-10) is when his teams traditionally have been really good. He attracts so much attention from the defense that it opens things up for everyone else.

Too long didn't read version: The'll be better without him for now, But if they are going to be great they need him.

Apparantly, Kobe took Dwight's advice seriously about learning to play through pain.

[QUOTE=usa hoops]Indiana played a terrible game. That had nothing to do with Kobe.[/QUOTE]

Coupled with the fact that Twan broke his shooting slump, blake broke his shooting slump as well as Metta - it helps. Look at the stats for those guys in the hawks game - horrible and it wasn't because of lack of open looks. Plenty of open looks that could have broken the game wide open. Just a bad game overall. Kobe was missing shots, other lakers were missing shots, the offense just went haywire because of this fact and to finish off Kobe got injured by that piece of shit Jones. Haters just mad the Lakers are winning regardless. The team just won't go away - regardless of seeding.

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]Obviously the Lakers need Kobe during the season and for the playoffs but a game like this just helps shut the Kobestans up about the SO CALLED LACK of talent on the Lakers.[/QUOTE]

I don't pay attention to many of the Kobe stans, but it's not a lack of talent. It's a lack of chemistry, injuries to key players, coaching changes, etc... The way they won the game was excellent, but they had the sense of urgency. Also, their bench players in Jamison and Blake really picked it up. I'm not expecting that again.

Look, the same thing happened last year with the Spurs and Bynum went off and they did go on a little mini-run... Means next to nothing if the Lakers don't make noise in the playoffs.

[QUOTE=tazb]Lakers with Kobe = 30 points on 30 shots. Lakers without Kobe = better ball movement and better defense.[/QUOTE]

The Lakers had an offensive rating of 100.8 last night.

Their season average is 107.7. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]The Lakers had an offensive rating of 100.8 last night.

Their season average is 107.7. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

This. If Kobe played, Lakers would have won by an additional 7 points.

[QUOTE=tazb]Lakers with Kobe = 30 points on 30 shots. Lakers without Kobe = better ball movement and better defense.[/QUOTE]

The "when Kobe shoots less" argument has always been one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. When Bryant shoots less, that means his teammates are playing a good game so he doesnt have to shoot alot of shots. That is true for almost any team. When your supporting cast is giving quality support then naturally, you will take less shots. It's a pointless argument.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59][B]Why would anyone be shocked that a team featuring a 18/13 3x DPOY and a 2X MVP great playmaker would win a game? [/B]:confusedshrug:

I know Bean fans like to belittle these all star caliber players to try to prop up their boy, but these guys have led their teams to deep playoff runs individually but you expect them to not win a regular season game together?[/QUOTE]
Ummm maybe cause the Pacers have one of the best records in the entire NBA. Ummm maybe cause the Pacers are 26-8 at home. What a lame asss NBA fan you are. BTW when is the last time Artest won a DPOY and Nash won MVP?

Kobe is not a cancer
but he is cancerish
so are most 1st tier star players

[QUOTE=Ne 1]The "when Kobe shoots less" argument has always been one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. When Bryant shoots less, that means his teammates are playing a good game so he doesnt have to shoot alot of shots. That is true for almost any team. When your supporting cast is giving quality support then naturally, you will take less shots. It's a pointless argument.[/QUOTE]
Well ideally he would never shootl

Why is this thread have so many pages? Stop feeding the troll!!!

[QUOTE=Quizno]kobe shot himself to 5 rings. RIP your argument[/QUOTE]

Kobe shot himself to 2004 NBA finals LOSS & 2008 NBA Finals LOSS despite being picked F.A.V.O.R.I.T.I.E.S to win it all.

[B]Shaq[/B] shot LAL to 2000, 2001, 2002 3 consequitive rings.

[B]Bynum-Gasol combo[/b] shot LAL to 2009,2010 TWO back-2-back rings.

[U]STONE COLD FACTS:[/U]

[B]Bynum was injured[/B] in 2008 NBA Finals. MVP Kobe SHOT himself to LOSS.

[B]Bynum-Gasol both healthy[/B] in 2009 & 2010. NBA's best Big Men Combo shot themselves to 2 Championships. ([B]Kobe 6/24 FG[/B]. :roll: :applause: )

RIP your Argument!

2001 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship

2002 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship

2009 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game - Lakers win championship

2010 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship

Led the Lakers in FGA's each of those season.

bb-but Kobe shots too much! :lol

[QUOTE=Ne 1]2001 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship [B]thanks to SHAQ'S SHEER DOMINANCE![/B]

2002 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship thanks to [B]SHAQ's DOMINANCE![/B]

2009 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game - Lakers win championship [B]thanks to BYNUM-GASOL's EFFICIENCY! superior to chucker.[/B]

2010 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship [B]thanks to BYNUM-GASOL'S HEALTH & EFFICIENCY.[/B]

Led the Lakers in FGA's each of those season [B]BUT still shot 6/24. Thanks to BYNUM-GASOL NBA's most efficient BIG MEN COMBO saving the LAL from 2008 fate. [/B]

2004 playoffs: Kobe 22+FGA's per Game = Lakers LOOSE despite being Favorites [B]CUZ SHAQ REFUSED TO SAVE THIS CHUCKER FOR ONCE![/B]

[B]bb-Who is SHAQ. He never won any FMVP. He was never Kobe's BIG BRO.[/B] :lol[/QUOTE]

Corrected for FULL RETARD. :coleman:

Last time I checked Bynum was hurt in 2009 and 2010 as well. Smh

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]The Lakers had an offensive rating of 100.8 last night.

Their season average is 107.7. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cotdt]This. If Kobe played, Lakers would have won by an additional 7 points.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... might want to check out the last time the Lakers played the Pacers. Lakers only scored 77 points. Bean had 40 points on 12/28 shooting. Lakers had an offensive rating of 79.7 The Lakers lost :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]BTW when is the last time Artest won a DPOY and Nash won MVP?[/QUOTE]

Please show me where I mentioned World Peace in my post :lol

And Nash won his second MVP two seasons before Bean won his first/last one.

[QUOTE=dh144498]Dwight's 7/17. :lol higher FG my a$$.[/QUOTE]
Moron.


7/17 is a higher FG% than 11/33.

[QUOTE=clayton]This is [B]Steve Blake's[/B] team now.
:cry:[/QUOTE]

Fixed

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Yeah... might want to check out the last time the Lakers played the Pacers. Lakers only scored 77 points. Bean had 40 points on 12/28 shooting. Lakers had an offensive rating of 79.7 The Lakers lost :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Are you saying the Lakers without Kobe are a better team than the Indiana Pacers? LOL

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Please show me where I mentioned World Peace in my post :lol

And Nash won his second MVP two seasons before Bean won his first/last one.[/QUOTE]
yeah my bad, was playing 3 tables of poker and not thinking clearly.

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]Are you saying the Lakers without Kobe are a better team than the Indiana Pacers? LOL[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying anything. The numbers and facts say that this season the Lakers performed much better against the Pacers with Kobe as a non factor than they did when he was out there chucking. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't :pimp:

[QUOTE]yeah my bad, was playing 3 tables of poker and not thinking clearly.[/QUOTE]

Clearly :cheers:

The Lakers have a career .620 winning % without Kobe in his 17 years.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59][B]I'm not saying anything.[/B] The numbers and facts say that this season the Lakers performed much better against the Pacers with Kobe as a non factor than they did when he was out there chucking. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't :pimp:



Clearly :cheers:[/QUOTE]
Didn't think so, now move along coward. Shame the game wasn't nationally televised so your broke asss coulda atleast watched the game for once instead of talking out the side of your neck.

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[QUOTE]"There's three types of Lies: Regular lies, Damn lies, and Stats" Kenny Smith[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Funny how many hours DonDadda59 put into this topic, yet he didn't even watch the game. Keep checking them box scores.:cheers:

[QUOTE=I<3NBA]Kobetards on suicide watch. :lol i am loving it![/QUOTE]
Maybe we should switch teams like you do every couple years. Go Spurs, Go Kings, Go Blazers....now the guy is all like, "Go Heat".

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]Didn't think so, now move along coward. Shame the game wasn't nationally televised so your broke asss coulda atleast watched the game for once instead of talking out the side of your neck.[/QUOTE]

How does one talk out of the side of his neck? I don't have gills :confusedshrug:

Sorry about the #s hurting your feelings doe, nothing I could do about it :cheers:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]How does one talk out of the side of his neck? I don't have gills :confusedshrug:

Sorry about the #s hurting your feelings doe, nothing I could do about it :cheers:[/QUOTE]
You could never hurt one's feelings. You didn't even watch the game you spent several hours dissecting. :lol

[QUOTE=PJR]The Lakers have a career [B][U].620 winning % without Kobe[/U][/B] in his 17 years.[/QUOTE]

Talk about the LMP, Least Valuable Player ever in Lakers Franchise.

[QUOTE=PJR]The Lakers have a career .620 winning % without Kobe in his 17 years.[/QUOTE]


And how many championships have they won without Kobe in his 17 years? How many championship did they win in 10 years (1989-1998) before Kobe became a starter for the Lakers?

[QUOTE=Ne 1][B]And how many championships have they won without Kobe?[/B] How many championship did they win in 20 years (1979-1998) before Kobe became a starter for the Lakers?[/QUOTE]

[B]11 to be exact!

Magic Johnson, the greatest Laker ever gave them 5 rings in '80s decade.

Magic Johnson gave lakers his 1st championship as ROOKIE. & won FMVP as rookie. Youngest FMVP ever in history[/B]

who needs Kobe!