[QUOTE=winwin]
KG5MVP[/QUOTE]
One of the greatest contributors on the main forum.
I sure miss that guy.
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[QUOTE=winwin]
KG5MVP[/QUOTE]
One of the greatest contributors on the main forum.
I sure miss that guy.
the history of kobe haters:
2005: Damn that chucking rapist is overrated
2013: Damn that guy is pretty good, lasted way longer than most of the other guys he was compated to. Too bad he is a chucking rapist
[QUOTE=crisoner]I came on the boards in 2000 and it has been the same topics but with a twist.
99-00
People hated Kobe because he was dubbed the next Jordan by the media.
He was a young kid who was not proven but had potential.
And at this time the Lakers just got Glen Rice and hardly made a dent in the playoffs. But this year would be different....dirt year under Phil the Lakers win it all. The hatred and homerizm of Kobe escalate to a new high.
00-03
The trifecta years.
Kobe and Shaq beef people on these boards choose sides.
Biggest Kobe haters around these boards are Philly Iverson fans....Kings fans....Carter Raptor fans...Spurs fans...and Blazers fans.
Many point out Kobe can be replaced with Iverson, Carter, Eddie Jones, Marbury, Steve Francis etc. and the lakers would still win titles.
Jordan fans around this time are still out in force hating Kobe as well.
2004
Colorado and the Lakers mega team losing the Finals...
All blame goes on Kobe. And the Kobe rapist threads on here blow up.
2005-06
Kobe is hated for running Shaq out of town and being on a sub par Laker team.
Haters make constant post on how Kobe will never win another title. They also sell the idea that Kobe is not better then McGrady, Iverson, and Carter still.
2007-08
Kobe scores 81 point in one game but the haters point to the one stat 0 assist.
Around this time the Wade and LeBron comparisons start. (Iverson McGrady and Carter start to phase out). He is still ridiculed for not being able to win a title without Shaq...in fact not being able to win a playoff series.....being a one man show in LA....throwing Bynum under the bus....and when all else fails a rapist.
2008-2011
Kobe wins titles back to back with Pau Bynum and Lamar.
Haters now are saying Pau is the main option and reason for the titles. Kobe can not win titles with out a prime big man. They point out his shooting percentage during certain games more then ever.
He is compared to LeBron and Jordan constantly. And is still called a rapist when all else fails.
Present day....
Kobe is too old. Kobe legacy will be stained by this season. Kobe is no longer elite in the NBA. LeBron and Durant are better then Kobe has ever been. No elite player would want to play with Kobe. Etc. etc.
As you can see on these boards with some people Kobe is the luckiest player to ever play and is just an average player....that's what the haters all along have been pushing us to believe.[/QUOTE]
I remember the summer that Shaq was traded, Kobe haters were on the loose by the dozens!!!! These were the common arguments
"Kobe was only a good scorer because Shaq got the attention, now that he is by himself he will be exposed"
"He can't carry a team"
"He wont average more than 25"
"no star player will ever want to come play with him"
"he will never win another championship"
"he is not better than mcgrady, or iverson"
"he will never win a mvp"
etc....
Kobe has literally proven every single one of these arguments wrong
[QUOTE=red1]the history of kobe haters:
2005: Damn that chucking rapist is overrated
2013: Damn that guy is pretty good, lasted way longer than most of the other guys he was compated to. Too bad he is a chucking rapist[/QUOTE]
LMAO well played!
OP, how much does it bother you that LeBron will go down as a better player than Kobe?
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]OP, how much does it bother you that LeBron will go down as a better player than Kobe?[/QUOTE]
since it's all imaginative, not at all, I'm guessing.
[QUOTE=INDI]I remember the summer that Shaq was traded, Kobe haters were on the loose by the dozens!!!! These were the common arguments
"Kobe was only a good scorer because Shaq got the attention, now that he is by himself he will be exposed"
"He can't carry a team"
"He wont average more than 25"
"no star player will ever want to come play with him"
"he will never win another championship"
"he is not better than mcgrady, or iverson"
"he will never win a mvp"
etc....
Kobe has literally proven every single one of these arguments wrong[/QUOTE]
Yup...
And then it was...
"Kobe is a chucker"
"Kobe always has an elite bigman"
"Pau was the best player during those title runs"
"Wade is better then Kobe ever was"
"LeBron's career is already greater then Kobe's"
"Kobe only won one MVP"
"Kobe's chocked in his series against the Suns" Some dumb a$$ made a whole thread about this again like it was something new.
Blah blah blah same crap.
[QUOTE=dh144498]since it's all imaginative, not at all, I'm guessing.[/QUOTE]
4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP in 10 years > 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP in 17 years
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]OP, how much does it bother you that LeBron will go down as a better player than Kobe?[/QUOTE]
I would not care if he does. I hope he does it would be good for the sport.
But so far he has not achieved that just yet. And he still tainted himself with having to go to Miami to win. In the long run that will be frowned upon.
[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP in 10 years > 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP in 17 years[/QUOTE]
5 rings by an MVP winner > 2 rings(assuming he wins again this year) by an MVP winner.
[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]3x NBA MVP, and 1x Finals MVP 1 title in 10 years < 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP 5 titles in 17 years[/QUOTE]
Fixed it for you.
[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP in 10 years > 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP in 17 years[/QUOTE]
why leave out the 5 titles? now lechoke d1ckriders have to resort to picking achievements. :lol
sad :roll:
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Lol. I randomly found this on a search. I'm not so much a Kobe Hater as a Kobe truth teller. It's more like Kobe fans hated me because I made an argument they had no response for. There's still never been a rational counter to this, if I say so myself.
[url]http://www.fullcourtpest.com/2009/06/scoring-assist-diferential-breaking.html[/url]
[QUOTE=indiefan23]Lol. I randomly found this on a search. I'm not so much a Kobe Hater as a Kobe truth teller. It's more like Kobe fans hated me because I made an argument they had no response for. There's still never been a rational counter to this, if I say so myself.
[url]http://www.fullcourtpest.com/2009/06/scoring-assist-diferential-breaking.html[/url][/QUOTE] :facepalm
Still pushing that crap? That post was nonsense 5 years ago when the stat nerds at hoopsworld or wherever it was picked it apart... Still's nonsense, nothing's changed
What I find pretty amazing is how a fan of the sport could hate on a player that has incredible skills, multiple rings and has promoted the sport to a higher level. It's no secret I'm a Knick fan - and yet I don't hate on any players of other teams. LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Durant etc - they are all great. It's all good. Oh sure, there are some players that annoy the living shit out of me... but considering the odds of someone actually making it into the NBA, I applaud all of them. Continually bashing a player just to get a rise out of another fan smacks of immaturity - we could use a lot less of it here. And people asking to ban other people? A new level of low.
Yeah........ dream on. :wtf:
BTW - Kobe is still the best player in my eyes until he retires or LeBron beats him in the ship dept.
"kobe will never win w/o shaq"
"kobe is on the decline"
"do the lakers go on a run now that kobe is out?"
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4bUV7Ls.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=gts]:facepalm
Still pushing that crap? That post was nonsense 5 years ago when the stat nerds at hoopsworld or wherever it was picked it apart... Still's nonsense, nothing's changed[/QUOTE]
No stat nerds anywhere have ever picked it apart. I'm am a stat nerd and it's 'sound' sir. There was a guy at real GM who claimed he was some kind of professor who claimed it lacked a sample size large enough to be predictive but clearly I wasn't using the numbers to predict what was going to happen, but to show what did happen already, and his criticisms were essentially a glorious steaming pile of ignorance. I pointed this out and yea, he just didn't respond because he had none.
If you'd like to be the first person to show why the method is not inaccurate I'm totally waiting and will respond. Otherwise I'll just chalk you up to the bitter/biased fans who don't like to accept the fact that Kobe spent a number of years playing the most selfish basketball this league has ever seen. Fact.
[QUOTE=smoovegittar]
BTW - Kobe is still the best player in my eyes until he retires or LeBron beats him in the ship dept.[/QUOTE]
This is the kind of ignorant thinking that made me stop posting here. :/
kobe is a bitch though:lol
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]"kobe will never win w/o shaq"
"kobe is on the decline"
"do the lakers go on a run now that kobe is out?"
[/QUOTE]
Umm... lol
1. No one anticipated the Lakers being given a franchise player for Kwame Brown by their former star. If you asked anyone if Kobe could win again on a super stacked up team no one would say no.
2. If you think Kobe from the last five years was anything close to prime Kobe you're fooling yourself. Fact.
3. The Lakers DID go on a run when Kobe was out. They were 7-3 in the 10 games before he came back and then the losing started. Losing Nash also helped them suck even more. And now it's just tankapalooza. If you're a lakers fan though that's not a bad thing in this draft.
[QUOTE=creepingdeath]OP doesn't have the right to judge other people on Kobe-related issues.[/QUOTE]
Didn't read OP's post, but this is pretty much everything there needs to be said in this thread.
They hate Kobe cos he's super duper cute compared to other players like LeBron, etc..
Their just mad their idol is ugly..
The funny part to me is when people use the "NBA/media trying to create someone to surpass Michael Jordan" as an excuse as to why Kobe is overrated. They do the same thing with Lebron James...does that make him overrated too?
Truth is, there will never be another Michael Jordan the same way there will never be another Kobe Bryant to the same way there will never be another Lebron James. People can compare, compare and compare all day long but you can't compare these players fairly. They're all different and even if Kobe modeled his game after MJ like so many others...the two are different people. Stop comparing...stop hating...and stop propping your player up above other players. Just enjoy what your favorite player can do instead of enjoying "rubbing it in the faces" of other fans in an attempt to be "cool" on an internet message board full of people trying to do the same thing.