[QUOTE=LJJ]
Easy, cheap, [B]parasitical[/B] way towards short term success.[/QUOTE]
That's a great term to describe British labor unions in the late 70s.
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[QUOTE=LJJ]
Easy, cheap, [B]parasitical[/B] way towards short term success.[/QUOTE]
That's a great term to describe British labor unions in the late 70s.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]
And if you think Jimmy Carter and the Labour party were actually on the way to winning the Cold War I've got land in Florida I'd like to sell you.[/QUOTE]
they were but not really through anything they were doing.
the USSR Communist regime was going to come apart at the seems due to many internal issues that the US and UK had zero control over.
Thatcher and Reagan did jack squat to end the Cold War. They just happened to be in power when the USSR was collapsing.
[QUOTE=kentatm]they were but not really through anything they were doing.
the USSR Communist regime was going to come apart at the seems due to many internal issues that the US and UK had zero control over.
Thatcher and Reagan did jack squat to end the Cold War. They just happened to be in power when the USSR was collapsing.[/QUOTE]
Both Thatcher and Reagan recognized the opportunity that was Gorbachev who, of course, was the most important figure in the end of the Cold War. Don't know about Thatcher's domestic politics, but there many idiots/ideologues in the GOP and second levels of Reagan's cabinet who thought Reagan had gone soft by talking to Gorbachev and were against any negotiations at all. Go back and read the speeches Gingrich was giving at the time and you realize what a missed opportunity the 80's would have been if someone like him was in power. Luckily for us, the top levels of the Reagan cabinet had folks like George Schultz who saw the tremendous promise of Gorbachev. Unfortunately for us, a lot of those second rank Reaganites who thought Reagan "won the cold war" wound up in senior positions in the Bush II cabinet.
:hammerhead:
So I think Jack Squat is overrated. Reagan ignored the nutty wing of his party.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]And how were they different from other administrations in that aspect? In case you forgot there was this thing called the Cold War going on at the time. Not getting annihilated by the Russians took priority. [/QUOTE]
They were different in the exact way I mentioned. Carter supported majority rule in South Africa. Reagan didn't. Reagan helped block sanctions against SA. So Carter was in favor of change in South Africa while still doing cold war stuff like arming the mujaheddin.
Also in what way did South Africa affect us getting annihilated by the Russians? Pro or Con?
Seems a logical leap too far, my friend.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]You notice no one's answered my question as to how she won such lopsided elections. I was certain there'd be posts about how the evil conservatives manipulated the electorate.[/QUOTE]
If I was being glib, I would say some combination of the oil shock of the 1970's, the Sex Pistols, the Falklands war, the cheap oil (Saudi and North Sea) and lower inflation of the of the 1980's.
I could go into each of the above, but the Falklands war is the most obvious. She was deeply unpopular during her first term because unemployment was high and Britain was in a recession in 1981 and 1982. (Similar to the early years of Reagan's first term.) The Falklands War changed that. Her popularity soared after that. The economy picked up in 1983 too. She actually got less votes in 1983 than 1979 I believe, but Labor did even worse because a third party picked up a bunch of votes. Thatcher got 44% of the vote and won handily.
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Well GB has become a lazy, leecher, socialistic, slack nation. Of course they won't like Thatcher.[/QUOTE]
A lot of that is down to Thatcher, Jackass.
LOLZ
[url]http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/witch-is-dead-set-to-go-to-no-1-on-uk-charts-after-death-of-margaret-thatcher/story-e6frfn09-1226617048476[/url]
The blood on her hands just filled my house. There is a lot of info on her that just by googling her name, watching mainstream media or reading history books you simply won't get.
Not a dig on her but then again the truth is the truth - just sealed in a coffin as most of the world wants it to be. I guess ok for sensationalism.
I keep seeing the question posed: 'why did she win elections?'
Probably because the south (largest concentration of people in the country) didn't feel or see the effects of what she was doing first hand. She cut the north adrift & expected everyone to fend for themselves. I would genuinely recommend any of her foreign supporters talk to people who actually lived through her reign & the impact she had on the north of the country. People seem happy to close their eyes to the negative impact she had on the PEOPLE & only prefer to look back in statistics & economics. It's blind.
There's a reason that she's so strongly reviled by half the country. It isn't just people complaining for the sake of it. They lived through it. It just galls me to see Americans talking about the positives of Thatcherism whilst completely disregarding the poverty she placed on the north. If you still feel as strongly in support of her after doing a little research on the people who were hardest hit by her regime then I don't know what to tell you.
[QUOTE=UK-NJ]I keep seeing the question posed: 'why did she win elections?'
Probably because the south (largest concentration of people in the country) didn't feel or see the effects of what she was doing first hand. She cut the north adrift & expected everyone to fend for themselves. I would genuinely recommend any of her foreign supporters talk to people who actually lived through her reign & the impact she had on the north of the country. People seem happy to close their eyes to the negative impact she had on the PEOPLE & only prefer to look back in statistics & economics. It's blind.
There's a reason that she's so strongly reviled by half the country. It isn't just people complaining for the sake of it. They lived through it. It just galls me to see Americans talking about the positives of Thatcherism whilst completely disregarding the poverty she placed on the north. If you still feel as strongly in support of her after doing a little research on the people who were hardest hit by her regime then I don't know what to tell you.[/QUOTE]
What American jackasses know about foreign affairs you can write on the back of a postage stamp
It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.
I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.
[QUOTE=UK-NJ]It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.
I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.[/QUOTE]
Rufus sounds like a right wing jackass
He's got a right wing mentality, yeah, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff. I can see his information is solid. It's more the way he interprets that information to use as a base for his opinion that I strongly disagree with.
Rufus is a good guy; just from another planet to me politically.
[QUOTE=UK-NJ]He's got a right wing mentality, yeah, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff. I can see his information is solid. It's more the way he interprets that information to use as a base for his opinion that I strongly disagree with.
Rufus is a good guy; just from another planet to me politically.[/QUOTE]
He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.
Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.
[QUOTE=pinhead]He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.
Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.[/QUOTE]
Got any evidence to back that up mate? You keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. You so salty bro.
Wow.
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-closer-to-number-one-spot-as-it-reaches-midweek-top-ten-following-margaret-thatchers-death-8566042.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Lady Thatcher’s death could propel The Wizard Of Oz track "Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead to the top of the charts.
Those who saw her death as a cause for celebration have prompted a download surge for the track.
Within 48 hours of the former Prime Minister’s death, the song has entered the official UK chart at number 10......
....The BBC said it would decide whether to play Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead during Radio 1's top 40 countdown when places are finalised this weekend.
In a statement it said: "The Official Chart Show on Sunday is a historical and factual account of what the British public has been buying and we will make a decision about playing it when the final chart positions are clear."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HarryCallahan]Got any evidence to back that up mate? You keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. You so salty bro.[/QUOTE]
He's exactly what his username says he is, a "pinhead".
Which is funny, because that's a classic O'Reilly catchphrase, someone he claims to passionately hate.
[QUOTE=pinhead]A lot of that is down to Thatcher, Jackass.[/QUOTE]
Not at all. Blaming problems on someone else is an excuse and that's exactly what she was against.
[QUOTE=pinhead]He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.
Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.[/QUOTE]
Well, he's a dentist. Considering that your english, your teeth probably look like broken pissed on piano keys, maybe he could give you some pointers on how to clean up your teeth.
[quote=Balla_Status]Not at all. Blaming problems on someone else is an excuse and that's exactly what she was against.[/quote]
So why are you making excuses for her then?
[QUOTE=UK-NJ]It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.
I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.[/QUOTE]
The government shouldn't be responsible to provide jobs for everybody dude.
[quote=Balla_Status]The government shouldn't be responsible to provide jobs for everybody dude.[/quote]
And yet we see countries that do this, such as Denmark, show a much improved overall quality of life because of such policies.
[QUOTE=LJJ]And yet we see countries that do this, such as Denmark, show a much improved overall quality of life because of such policies.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but are they actual jobs or just a seat in a chair and they just get paid?
I work for a private company and we just fired a dude because he failed two tests and was incompetent in the field.
Guess who he went to work for? The government. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Balla_Status][B]Yeah but are they actual jobs or just a seat in a chair and they just get paid?[/B]
I work for a private company and we just fired a dude because he failed two tests and was incompetent in the field.
Guess who he went to work for? The government. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
What's an "actual job"?
[QUOTE=pinhead]He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.
Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: I know you want to evoke the "angry young man" persona here but you're really just coming across as an ill-mannered idiot.
[Quote=UK-NJ]
It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.
I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you. [/Quote]
Good post. I have some more understanding of why you and many others feel the way you do.
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Wow.
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-closer-to-number-one-spot-as-it-reaches-midweek-top-ten-following-margaret-thatchers-death-8566042.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Trust me, those BBC bitches will not play it. Everybody loves freedom of speech until you use it.
Kevin, what do you do for a living?
Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?
It has to be one of those.
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Kevin, what do you do for a living?
Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?
It has to be one of those.[/QUOTE]
Why would that be?
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Why would that be?[/QUOTE]
You're a liberal.
Are the majority of insurance agents really liberals? That's a stereotype I've never heard of.
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]You're a liberal.[/QUOTE]
And these are the only jobs held by liberals?
[I]Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?[/I]
Also, you do know I know how to use Google, right?
Insurance: Top Recipients of Political Donations in 2012
Top 20 Recipients
1 Romney, Mitt (R) $4,608,043
[B]2 Obama, Barack (D) $1,696,590[/B]
3 Brown, Scott (R-MA) Senate $625,269
4 Perry, Rick (R) $468,124
5 Boehner, John (R-OH) House $467,401
6 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $380,024
7 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $361,650
8 Corker, Bob (R-TN) Senate $334,205
[B]9 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $334,191[/B]
10 Tiberi, Patrick J (R-OH) House $327,850
[B]11 Murphy, Christopher S (D-CT) House $301,525[/B]
12 Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) House $295,897
13 Biggert, Judy (R-IL) House $293,550
14 Camp, Dave (R-MI) House $286,508
15 Boustany, Charles W Jr (R-LA) House $285,550
16 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $278,275
[B]17 Nelson, Ben (D-NE) Senate $267,199[/B]
18 Heller, Dean (R-NV) Senate $257,655
19 Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) House $251,710
20 Allen, George (R-VA) $245,081
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]And these are the only jobs held by liberals?
[I]Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?[/I]
Also, you do know I know how to use Google, right?
Insurance: Top Recipients of Political Donations in 2012
Top 20 Recipients
1 Romney, Mitt (R) $4,608,043
[B]2 Obama, Barack (D) $1,696,590[/B]
3 Brown, Scott (R-MA) Senate $625,269
4 Perry, Rick (R) $468,124
5 Boehner, John (R-OH) House $467,401
6 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $380,024
7 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $361,650
8 Corker, Bob (R-TN) Senate $334,205
[B]9 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $334,191[/B]
10 Tiberi, Patrick J (R-OH) House $327,850
[B]11 Murphy, Christopher S (D-CT) House $301,525[/B]
12 Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) House $295,897
13 Biggert, Judy (R-IL) House $293,550
14 Camp, Dave (R-MI) House $286,508
15 Boustany, Charles W Jr (R-LA) House $285,550
16 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $278,275
[B]17 Nelson, Ben (D-NE) Senate $267,199[/B]
18 Heller, Dean (R-NV) Senate $257,655
19 Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) House $251,710
20 Allen, George (R-VA) $245,081[/QUOTE]
[url]http://abonica.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/occupations1.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234][url]http://abonica.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/occupations1.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah, insurance is not on the liberal part of that chart either.
I have actually worked in several of the industries on the left side of that chart.
Currently, I'm a site-specific textile artist who pays the bills doing Hawaiian Lomi-Lomi massage. I would have to say that I don't think me or my colleagues are overly liberal.
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Yeah, [B][SIZE="6"]insurance is not on the liberal part of that chart either.
[/SIZE][/B]
I have actually worked in several of the industries on the left side of that chart.
Currently, I'm a site-specific textile artist who pays the bills doing Hawaiian Lomi-Lomi massage. I would have to say that I don't think me or my colleagues are overly liberal.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you're serious. Are you blind? :lol
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Well, he's a dentist. Considering that your english, your teeth probably look like broken pissed on piano keys, maybe he could give you some pointers on how to clean up your teeth.[/QUOTE]
Dental work is covered by the NHS up until 19 years old. That negative stereotype comes from the Victorian era when we had a fascination and love for sugar cane.
I'm British and I have some of the best teeth and one of the nicest smiles on ISH.:pimp:
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]I'm not sure if you're serious. Are you blind? :lol[/QUOTE]
Please explain your understanding of how to read that chart. I'll give you a clue, motion picture folks and college professors are on the left.
Or you could go to the guy's improved version of that chart to see your mistake
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Yeah, insurance is not on the liberal part of that chart either.
[/QUOTE]
Chart seems pretty obvious to me.
The chart says people working in insurance are the seventh most conservative out of the 30+ occupations listed.
That's his own chart that is supposed to somehow confirm his opinion that insurance workers are among the only jobs held by liberals. But longhorn is an idiot, in other news the Earth is round.
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Please explain your understanding of how to read that chart. I'll give you a clue, motion picture folks and college professors are on the left.
Or you could go to the guy's improved version of that chart to see your mistake[/QUOTE]
Woah...I feel like an idiot. I blame it on me being at work.
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Woah...I feel like an idiot. I blame it on me being at work.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that guy came out with an improved version of his chart.
[IMG]http://abonica.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/industry_rankings2.jpg[/IMG]
Anyhow, I'm up to my neck in textiles and I have 5PM Lomi-lomi appointment coming up.
Got to get back to business.
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