Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.

[QUOTE=chips93]yeah, i mean i agree, if the knicks could utilise melo, with ball movement, that would be ideal.

but the guy i quoted said that they would be better off without melo. if you are running plays, you still need some playmaker to create opening, that good ball movement can take advantage of.

you still need that catalyst, and without melo, the knicks wouldnt have that catalyst.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, I agree with that. Suggesting they would be better without melo is ridiculous. What I don't get is that in college, Melo proved to be a great all around player, able to pass, rebound, and defend, but in the NBA he is mainly just a scorer and not even an efficient scorer.

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]146 shots on 6 assists for melo[/QUOTE]
:biggums: :wtf:

Kobe would at least have 6 assists in one of these games...let alone 6 for a series..

[QUOTE=Dro]Its not about the stats, its about the style of play which will result in him having higher stats in certain areas. Its more about the style of play being reflected in his stats rather than just being about stats and ignoring whether their style of play is working or not. To me, their style just does not work in the long term but I guess thats still yet to proven. Hell, maybe they'll win the championship for all we know. Time will tell...[/QUOTE]

NYK are lucky Rondo is injured or they wouldnt be getting past the first rd. And I agree the style of play doesnt work long term. Atleast thats how I see it.

[QUOTE=chosen_wun]:biggums: :wtf:

Kobe would at least have 6 assists in one of these games...let alone 6 for a series..[/QUOTE]

Kobe would have at least 20 asissts by now. Kobe will have games with 1 or 2 assists, but then the next one he will get 5 or 6.

Melo is taking chucking to a whole new level.

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]146 shots on 6 assists for melo[/QUOTE]
Wow. what? This can't be true. A player who has the ball as much as him should get 6 assists by accident in 1-2 games, let alone 5:lol

Carmelo is what Kobe haters make him out to be

Well both Carmelo and KD(poor man's Carmelo) are one-dimensional players, they need to score to be effective. When they are scoring on high efficiency, their teammates also get better open looks. When their shots aint falling, theres little they can do to help the team.

Carmelo's game brings to mind the unofficial definition of insanity. How is it possible that he repeats the same actions over and over (i.e. plays the same way) and expects a different result?

Is it because he had success playing that way in college and high school?

I don't know how he can look at his numbers and feel like he's playing well. Does he not look past the 30 ppg and see the 39% shooting and [U]1.3 apg[/U]?

How can he just chuck and chuck and chuck and ball-stop and ball-stop and ball-stop, and think that he's taking the Knicks anywhere? And how can Knicks fans think that he's ever going to take them anywhere?

Using 65 possessions to put up 28 points isn't good basketball

funny thing is, celtics don't even play good defence. Wait till they face the pacers or heat

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Well both Carmelo and [B]KD(poor man's Carmelo)[/B] are one-dimensional players, they need to score to be effective. When they are scoring on high efficiency, their teammates also get better open looks. When their shots aint falling, theres little they can do to help the team.[/QUOTE]


That is just dumb. Carmelo is a poor man's KD. KD had the best scoring efficiency of any small forward this season.


[url]http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/trueShootingPct[/url]

In the playoffs KD is averaging 33/8/6 shooting 48.6% from the field and averaging 10.6 MADE free throws per game.

[QUOTE=tontoz]That is just dumb. Carmelo is a poor man's KD. [B]KD had the best scoring efficiency of any small forward this season. [/B]


[url]http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/trueShootingPct[/url]

In the playoffs KD is averaging 33/8/6 shooting 48.6% from the field and averaging 10.6 MADE free throws per game.[/QUOTE]
No he didn't. LeBron did.

tontoz ur dumb for even playing to that worthless poster. Give him no more text.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]No he didn't. LeBron did.[/QUOTE]

No he didn't. Durant did. idiot

[QUOTE=NumberSix]No he didn't. LeBron did.[/QUOTE]


Do you need instructions on how to click on a link? :facepalm

[QUOTE=28renyoy]No he didn't. Durant did. idiot[/QUOTE]

Lebron:

eFG .603
TS .640

Durant:

eFG .559
TS .647

I'm taking Lebron here.

[QUOTE=Psycho]Lebron:

eFG .603
TS .640

Durant:

eFG .559
TS .647

I'm taking Lebron here.[/QUOTE]
Exactly

[QUOTE=tontoz]Do you need instructions on how to click on a link? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
LeBron eFG - 60,3%
Durant eFG - 55,9%

LeBron TS - 64%
Durant TS - 64,7%

[QUOTE=Psycho]Lebron:

eFG .603
TS .640

Durant:

eFG .559
TS .647

I'm taking Lebron here.[/QUOTE]



I'll take the guy who shoots 90% from the line over the guy who shoots 15% worse.

[QUOTE=Crafty][B]LeBron eFG - 60,3%
Durant eFG - 55,9%[/B]

LeBron TS - 64%
Durant TS - 64,7%[/QUOTE]
eFG > TS

TS% is skewed by free throws, and if we're talking Durant, I'm sure as fcuk not using a stat that further skews it by rewarding him for his completely bullshit phantom free throws he constantly gets.

[QUOTE=tontoz]I'll take the guy who shoots 90% from the line over the guy who shoots 15% worse.[/QUOTE]
TS already factors in FT percentage.. And Durant only beats him by .7

While Lebron beats Durant by 5 percent from the floor..

5>0.7

It's weird because the Knicks were a great offensive team throughout the year and Melo was efficient. I don't know what the hell they're doing right now

[QUOTE=tpols]TS already factors in FT percentage.. And Durant only beats him by .7

While Lebron beats Durant by 5 percent from the floor..

5>0.7[/QUOTE]
Not to mention, that .7 on TS% is MASSIVELY skewed by Durant's constant parade to the foul line on bullshit phantom calls.

[QUOTE=chazzy]It's weird because the Knicks were a great offensive team throughout the year and Melo was efficient. I don't know what the hell they're doing right now[/QUOTE]
Boston defense.

[QUOTE=tpols]TS already factors in FT percentage.. [B]And Durant only beats him by .7[/B]

While Lebron beats Durant by 5 percent from the floor..

5>0.7[/QUOTE]



Which makes Durant the more efficient scorer. Period

Plus Durants team relied on his scoring far more than Miami relied on Lebron's scoring. Opposing defenses had to worry about Lebron's teamates much more than Durant's.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Not to mention, that .7 on TS% is MASSIVELY skewed by Durant's constant parade to the foul line on bullshit phantom calls.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: @ a Lebron fan complaining about the refs.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]So the best scorer in the league this year should pass more?

I understand jacking 3s in game 5 was a disgrace, but c'mon son. Troll harder, no one expects him to pass the ball. That's what point guards are for[/QUOTE]
He's not the best scorer in the league, Lebron, Durant and Kobe are better. Its just that mostly Lebron and Durant do other things than score and don't use 100% of their playing time trying to score like Melo. If they did, Melo would nowhere be near the best scorer in the league.

[QUOTE=Nash]He's not the best scorer in the league, Lebron, Durant and Kobe are better. Its just that mostly Lebron and Durant do other things than score and don't use 100% of their playing time trying to score like Melo. If they did, Melo would nowhere be near the best scorer in the league.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, if Lebron and Durant tried to play like Carmelo they would be worse at it than Carmelo.

[QUOTE=Psycho]Honestly, if Lebron and Durant tried to play like Carmelo they would be worse at it than Carmelo.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:

LeBron in 2006 played like Melo and did waaaay better. He was even better than Carmelo is now:roll:

[QUOTE=tontoz]Which makes Durant the more efficient scorer. Period

Plus Durants team relied on his scoring far more than Miami relied on Lebron's scoring. Opposing defenses had to worry about Lebron's teamates much more than Durant's.[/QUOTE]
Yup

Technically you're right since TS is overall efficiency.. But when there's that big a gap in eFG it's worth something. That's a very big gap.

Bron is so much more efficient without the assistance of the ref's.. When FTs make up a 5 percent eFG difference.. That's crazy.

[QUOTE=tpols]Yup

Technically you're right since TS is overall efficiency.. But when there's that big a gap in eFG it's worth something. That's a very big gap.

Bron is so much more efficient without the assistance of the ref's.. When FTs make up a 5 percent eFG difference.. That's crazy.[/QUOTE]


Part of the reason foul shots make so much of a difference is that Lebron shoots 15% worse at the line than KD. Is that the refs fault too?

[QUOTE=tontoz]Part of the reason foul shots make so much of a difference is that Lebron shoots 15% worse at the line than KD. Is that the refs fault too?[/QUOTE]
And another part of the reason is he took 215 more FTs.. Which is absurd.

:roll: thread has derailed to KD vs Lebron cause it's basically unanimous that melo is a low iq chucker and there's no need for further discussion

[QUOTE=tpols]And another part of the reason is he took 215 more FTs.. Which is absurd.[/QUOTE]


First of all you completely dodged the fact that it isn't the refs fault that Lebron can't make foul shots. Secondly Durant played in 5 more games so looking at the total number difference doesn't make sense.

Durant averaged a 2.3 more foul shots per game than Lebron. BFD

[QUOTE=tontoz]First of all you completely dodged the fact that it isn't the refs fault that Lebron can't make foul shots. Secondly Durant played in 5 more games so looking at the total number difference doesn't make sense.

Durant averaged a 2.3 more foul shots per game than Lebron. BFD[/QUOTE]


So what you're saying is that Durant got to the line ONE more time than Lebron per game

And that the difference in TS% is do more to Durant being a 15% better shooter from the line?

Too much logic

[QUOTE=tontoz]First of all you completely dodged the fact that it isn't the refs fault that Lebron can't make foul shots. Secondly Durant played in 5 more games so looking at the total number difference doesn't make sense.

Durant averaged a 2.3 more foul shots per game than Lebron. BFD[/QUOTE]

If Durant played the same number of games as LeBron (76), he would have taken roughly 175 more FTs than LeBron. This despite LeBron taking about 150 more shots at the rim (even with Durant playing 5 more games).

Yeah...

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]If Durant played the same number of games as LeBron (76), he would have taken roughly 175 more FTs than LeBron. [/QUOTE]

Like i said Durant took 2.3 more foul shots per game than Lebron. Did you think you were correcting me?

[QUOTE=tontoz]Durant took 2.3 more foul shots per game than Lebron. What part of this is confusing to you?[/QUOTE]

How slow do you want me to go? Multiply 2.3 by 76 and you'll see how many more FTs Durant would have taken if they both played 76 games.

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]How slow do you want me to go? Multiply 2.3 by 76 and you'll see how many more FTs Durant would have taken if they both played 76 games.[/QUOTE]


So what is the point of repeating something i already said? :facepalm

[QUOTE=Psycho]Lebron:

eFG .603
TS .640

Durant:

eFG .559
TS .647

I'm taking Lebron here.[/QUOTE]


..end thread:applause: