5-Year Old Tragically Kills Baby Sister with Rifle 'Made for Youths'

[QUOTE=millwad]Intelligence has nothing to do with a college degree, you're the best example of that. You are mentally challenged and a redneck and I guess that you have a college degree so you're basically the perfect example.[/QUOTE]

I'm unintelligent because I disagree with you, is that how it works?

You're creepy as fck stealing peoples pictures dude, get a life.

[QUOTE=MAC system]These morons forget when comparing America to these other counties that they don't have nearly as many minorities as America. They also don't have shithole mexico next to them to bring in more poverty, violence and drugs because the moron obama won't do shit about the border and illegal immigration.[/QUOTE]

Right south of my country one if not the most brutal war/conflict since WWII took place. Many people immigrated including war criminals. Still nobody felt the need to change laws to liberal gun use, because they felt threatened.

I cannot believe that some people try to defend gun use by children. It's high risk and no reward.

The guns are inanimate objects that don't kill people argument is the weirdest though. How come(especially accidents where children kill others) nobody gets killed by stuffed animals?

The purpose of the gun is to put a projectile with high speed into an object, there's no other purpose, so you can't compare it to car accidents either, because their purpose is not to run over people. Scientists are working on guided traffic system that would prevent accidents.

If scientists would try to invent a system for guns so they can't kill people anymore it would render them useless. Shooting for recreational purposes is a sideeffect of the military industry and not the other way round.

[quote=bmulls]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney

This is a famous court case that is taught in most entry level tort law courses. It will explain why "booby traps" like landmines are unlawful. The gist is that we as a society value life over mere property. If you are home, you are justified in shooting an intruder. You are not justified in booby trapping your house.

As far as machine guns, I'm not sure if you were aware or not, but there are already a quarter million legally owned machine guns in the United States. That's 240,000 fully automatic machine guns owned by civilians. Now don't shit your government loving pants just yet. As of 1995, there were a grand total of TWO murders committed with machine guns since [B]1934[/B]. Two murders in nearly 80 years.

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I asked you. Not a court case from long ago. I know its illegal. Thats the point. Im asking you if its self defense to booty trap your own home against intruders. I...dont even think its wrong to say it is. I just want to know what you think.


And ill ask again...you know know me...you cool with me having anything that wont blow up...because you dont know that im insane?

I can go get guns 3 miles from my house no questions asked. So can my felon friend who did just that.

Cool?

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Then they fail to talk about how the areas with the most gun control (chicago) are what is making the rate so high :roll:[/QUOTE]

Illinois is the only state in the US where nobody can legally carry a concealed weapon. So you mean that the gun control is actually why so many gets killed there? If everyone would be allowed to carry guns, would that make the situation better?

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Then they fail to talk about how the areas with the most gun control (chicago) are what is making the rate so high :roll:[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=millwad]Illinois is the only state in the US where nobody can legally carry a concealed weapon. So you mean that the gun control is actually why so many gets killed there? If everyone would be allowed to carry guns, would that make the situation better?[/QUOTE]

The deaths would be the same with or without the law, making the law a waste of legislation and only harming people who actually obey the law and wouldn't shoot someone in the first place.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]It has nothing to do with rights to begin with.

People respect rights as far as thye want to. I bet much of the country wouldnt want to respect a terrorists right to remain silent. I wouldnt. If dude in Boston knew where a huge terror cell was hiding...and we knew he knew..like...we had his cell phone video footage of being there with them planning future attacks..id want it beaten out of him. **** his rights.

If one of those insane church types forever talking about dead soldiers being the wrath of god pickets a funeral of my family....id feel in the right if I go beat his ass. Forget what he has a right to say.

And to an extent thats how it works. You cant incite a riot...cant yell bomb at the airport....cant threaten to murder the president at the gate of the whitehouse.

There is a LOT you arent free to say.

But thats cool....because its about safety.

Given time the second will go the way of the first...protected as much as makes sense given the times.[/QUOTE]

As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution. The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.

I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.

Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts.

[QUOTE=bmulls]I'm unintelligent because I disagree with you, is that how it works?

You're creepy as fck stealing peoples pictures dude, get a life.[/QUOTE]

No, you're stupid because you don't have any arguments, your comeback to my long post about gun crimes in the US vs the UK was something like "you're fat".. :facepalm

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Yes.

Benjamin Franklin:[/QUOTE]

Ironically one of the two most used arguments for guns is that you acquire a feeling of security it. The consequence of the wrong use of a gun though is taking away the freedom to live, which is the biggest freedom of all.

[QUOTE=Overdrive] The consequence of the wrong use of a gun though is taking away the freedom to live, which is the biggest freedom of all.[/QUOTE]

We should take away the freedom to live then. This will solve the entire problem entirely! *liberal logic*

[QUOTE=millwad]No, you're stupid because you don't have any arguments, your comeback to my long post about gun crimes in the US vs the UK was something like "you're fat".. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.

[QUOTE=bmulls]Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.[/QUOTE]

There are 100+ factors to weigh in

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How come that countries(not cities) with laws that make it tougher for the average Joe to acquire guns of any kind have lower deathrates by firearms?

How come that the criminals, another favourite argument of the pro gun people, aren't armed like an private army in those countires either? How come criminals don't kill random people on the streets in those countries? How come there are nearly no school shootings in those countries? How come gang crimes in the urban areas of those countries mostly consist of drug dealing and related crimes, still with nearly no homicides?

Do you think in other countries people are genetically allergic to guns? Even the mobsters in europe don't kill as much. Most of the time the kill you financially and socially instead of a plain gunshooting.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]The deaths would be the same with or without the law, making the law a waste of legislation and only harming people who actually obey the law and wouldn't shoot someone in the first place.[/QUOTE]

That's nonsense.

Do you actually believe that all the killings are a result from actions by criminals? In 2007 there was 613 fatal firearm accidents and obviously not all the shooting is a result from criminals doing bad activities.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]We should take away the freedom to live then. This will solve the entire problem entirely! *liberal logic*[/QUOTE]

You dropped the quote that safety is acquired by the prize of freedom.
The gunhuggers argue that guns are bought for safety reasons.

I didn't say I want to take lives. I said the gun use takes them. I'm not the one buying guns. So why should I promote taking "the freedom of live then"?

[QUOTE=boozehound]he was a student at Texas A&M which has the highest % of rednecks at a uni in the world. Trust me on this one[/QUOTE]

Hey, dude.

Don't remember if it was you but some poster on ISH said the same thing when I asked some questions about A&M before I left and it was really true.

I had so much fun, I met wonderful people and I enjoyed my time there very much but you're so right. And what's bothering is to know that the rednecks there are actually the educated ones, I really don't want to meet the uneducated and ignorant ones..

I was with a couple of exchange students in Houston to watch the Rockets play on a friday if I recall correctly, after the game we went to a bar and a group of people started arguing over something and one yelled something about putting a bullet hole in someone and yeah, empty threats are common all over the world and nothing happened. I've heard people in Sweden say that they're gonna kill each other plenty of times as well but considering how easy it's to get a gun in Houston and in Texas it makes it all much more disturbing to think that an unstable person who's trigger happy can end someone's life over the most stupid of arguments.

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][quote]As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution.[/quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]And like the rest of us...his rights bend to fit public safety. Which is why he cant arm himself with any weapon he can and why you wouldnt get awat with saying everything that goes through your head when a beautiful woman walks by you at work.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Rights generally end where people get hurt. Sometimes its not even physical injury.[/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][quote]The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.[/quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Opinions...yes. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]One is yelling that your daughter was killed by god over gays getting married...I suspect your opinion evolves when your wife starts crying.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Rights dont make you correct. And not all of them should be protected. There really is right and wrong to consider here.[/COLOR][/LEFT]
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[quote]I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.[/quote]
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[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Lets not go into the founding fathers. Most americans couldnt tell you the first thing about John Adams but they will pull that phrase out of their ass to no end.[/COLOR]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]So many guys talking about slave owning champions of freedom without even knowing how divided they were on issues all of them seem to be remembered to support.[/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][quote]Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts[/quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Everybody? Meaning the half the country the decides its opinions on all matters because of the letter next to the name of who they vote for...as opposed to the other half doing the same?[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Its not looking like you are the majority. Most social issues will go the way of "liberals" given time. You must see that....[/COLOR][/LEFT]


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Gay marriage, gun control...whatever. Its mostly old white guys keeping the fight alive. It cant go on forever.[/COLOR][/LEFT]
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90% of the country can only be defeated by the senate for so long.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=bmulls]As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution. The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.

I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.

Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts.[/QUOTE]

Basically you're saying as long as it's legislated law you obey?

The whole "infringing on my rights" argument is out of place as it pertains to this story...

the goddamnn country wont fall apart if we make it illegal to arm 5 yr olds.. We regulate objects that are much less dangerous than guns already...

I don't think a kid should be allowed to handle a gun until he is capable of fully understanding the concept of death. I'm not sure at what age a child is typically capable of processing life and death choices, but my guess would be around the age of 12. It should probably be subjective, like the laws regarding kids being tried as adults for murder/rape/etc.

made for youths gun? Da fuq? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=bmulls]Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.[/QUOTE]

You have a trouble reading, that's the problem here.

I've had this discussion with you before and demographics, population size, total crime rate, violent crime rate, poverty rate and other factors are obvious factors.

You're using everything as excuses, there are few countries that can be compared with the US when it comes to population size, demographis and such while still being a democratic and rich country.

It's impossible to make you understand deeper reasons when you can't even comprehend something as easy as the gun crime comparion between the US and the UK, you replied with a "you're fat"-comment.

You're not educated, you don't have any clear arguments, you have a clear agenda and I find your entry to this discussion to be bothering. You came up with excuses and insults towards me instead of actually discussing the subject and condemning it.

When I again tried to make you understand you replied with yet another bogus "you're fat" comment. You're an obvious redneck trashy person.

[B]There's absolutely nothing that proves that guns make civilians more safe, all you are spamming about is your rights and how the law works. This is an extreme comparison but also a relevant one. In Saudi Arabia the law says that women can't vote and men have the right to marry 9 year old girls.

Just because there's a "right" and that you're referring to the actual law doesn't make it a valid thing in society and it doesn't justify it, in this case carrying a gun.[/B]

[QUOTE=millwad]
You're using everything as excuses, there are few countries that can be compared with the US when it comes to population size, demographis and such while still being a democratic and rich country.

It's impossible to make you understand deeper reasons when you can't even comprehend something as easy as the gun crime comparion between the US and the UK, you replied with a "you're fat"-comment.
[/QUOTE]

The european union is basically comparable, atleast the Schengenzone.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]The european union is basically comparable, atleast the Schengenzone.[/QUOTE]

Some what, yes, but he's going to spam about too many factors and say that it's not a valid comparison because he will never accept what kind of stupidity guns are to start with.

Parents fault, not the guns or the kids.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]Right south of my country one if not the most brutal war/conflict since WWII took place. Many people immigrated including war criminals. Still nobody felt the need to change laws to liberal gun use, because they felt threatened.

I cannot believe that some people try to defend gun use by children. It's high risk and no reward.

The guns are inanimate objects that don't kill people argument is the weirdest though. How come(especially accidents where children kill others) nobody gets killed by stuffed animals?

The purpose of the gun is to put a projectile with high speed into an object, there's no other purpose, so you can't compare it to car accidents either, because their purpose is not to run over people. Scientists are working on guided traffic system that would prevent accidents.

If scientists would try to invent a system for guns so they can't kill people anymore it would render them useless. Shooting for recreational purposes is a sideeffect of the military industry and not the other way round.[/QUOTE]
What country are you from?

My point was merely that these anti gun people parade around these facts that should have absolutely no impact on gun control in America. Comparing America to the ****ing UK? A damn island with a tiny black and hispanic presence. Are you that dumb people? To canada where they lock up theide borders to make sure our trash doesn't spill over onto their lawn? So many dumb Democrats these days

The gun, again, isn't the issue. Retard parents who give their kids a rifle and don't monitor its whereabouts are.

5 years old is definitely too young to be letting a kid play with guns, supervised or otherwise. This is the exact same story as the deputy's kid that killed his mom or whatever the hell it was; just stupid, stupid, STUPID f*cking people with no concept of proper gun safety or storage having their mitts on these things.

In Canada you gotta complete an 8-hour course and/or challenge a written and practical test to get your PAL. After that you can buy guns and ammo to your heart's content. You're an idiot who can't pass the test? No guns for you.

These types of stories NEVER surface up here. Is it because our citizens are forced to actually LEARN something about gun safety/storage/transport before we're allowed to get our hands on them? Maybe, I don't know, but being able to walk into a store with no concept of how a gun works or the proper way to handle/store it and being able to walk out armed is just f*cking crazy.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]How come that countries(not cities) with laws that make it tougher for the average Joe to acquire guns of any kind have lower deathrates by firearms?

How come that the criminals, another favourite argument of the pro gun people, aren't armed like an private army in those countires either? How come criminals don't kill random people on the streets in those countries? How come there are nearly no school shootings in those countries? How come gang crimes in the urban areas of those countries mostly consist of drug dealing and related crimes, still with nearly no homicides?

Do you think in other countries people are genetically allergic to guns? Even the mobsters in europe don't kill as much. Most of the time the kill you financially and socially instead of a plain gunshooting.[/QUOTE]
What Switzerlands deat rate due to guns?

[QUOTE=johndeeregreen]The gun, again, isn't the issue. Retard parents who give their kids a rifle and don't monitor its whereabouts are.


In Canada you gotta complete an 8-hour course and/or challenge a written and practical test to get your PAL. After that you can buy guns and ammo to your heart's content. You're an idiot who can't pass the test? No guns for you.

These types of stories NEVER surface up here. Is it because our citizens are forced to actually LEARN something about gun safety/storage/transport before we're allowed to get our hands on them? Maybe, I don't know, but being able to walk into a store with no concept of how a gun works or the proper way to handle/store it and being able to walk out armed is just f*cking crazy.[/QUOTE]
First you nailed it exactly. Second I never knew that about canada, but that is exactly how laws should be here as well.

Fvckin tragic!

I'm not going to go on some rant about gun control, just gonna say the parents should be put in jail.

The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

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Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59][IMG]http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

"Give Me the Boy Until the Age of Seven, I Will Give You the Man."

Even strict gun laws would not prevent this.... end of story. Dumb parents.

This story is really sad.

Violence in video games is ruining the youth and making society more violent. But it's ok for parents to put a "REAL" gun in their kids hands to go hunting. You want to talk about ass backwards thinking. :facepalm

i think parental negligence is to blame for a lot of school shootings as well; but i think that american gun culture is an embarrassment.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

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[IMG]http://www.hausofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Photo-May-13-4-20-14-PM-224x300.jpg[/IMG]

Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.[/QUOTE]
Is that..a baby?!:biggums:

Christ:facepalm

You know what would be even more surprising? If the parents did not let the kids near knives of any sort.

[QUOTE=MAC system]What country are you from?

My point was merely that these anti gun people parade around these facts that should have absolutely no impact on gun control in America. Comparing America to the ****ing UK? A damn island with a tiny black and hispanic presence. Are you that dumb people? To canada where they lock up theide borders to make sure our trash doesn't spill over onto their lawn? So many dumb Democrats these days[/QUOTE]

so essentially, since America is so damn unique, you can never compare ANY other country with America in terms of gun violence? Let me ask you, are there ANY places to which America is comparable to?

[QUOTE=bmulls]Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.[/QUOTE]

oh wow, this is an internet basketball forum, not a frickin dissertation for PhD students on gun violence. Also let's be honest here, you act like you'd actually be convinced by gun control side, when in reality, neither side is going to budge much, until public opinion reaches a tipping point because of individual news about gun deaths.


SMH, a gun for a 5 year old in the house? I've shot rifles before when I was 15, but it was in a very strict, controlled range, oh, and it happened to be in the UK!

House fires, Improperly buckled Car seats, and bathtubs kill more kids each year than accidental gun deaths. The answer to this tragedy isn't banning guns, It's parents being responsible enough to keep firearms out of the hands those too immature to handle something like this. Unless you think Gas stoves, cars, and standing water should also be taken away.

If you are for gun control, then you're not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. You'll need to go around, pass laws, and shoot people who resist, kick in doors, and throw people in jail, and so on; rip up families, just to take away guns. So it's not that you're anti-gun, because you'll need the police's guns to take away other people's guns, so you're very pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is of course so reliable, honest, moral, virtuous, and forward-thinking) should be allowed to have guns. So there's no such thing as gun control, there's only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions. Gun control is a misnomer.

We're all in agreement that an arms manufacturer that has a (since removed, shocker) "Kids Corner" page on their site that showcases pictures of literal toddlers holding .22s isn't a good thing, right? We're all in agreement that selling .22s with pretty, innocent pink stocks is a bad thing, right? 22s aren't ****ing Barbies, how can anyone back this company?

You want to play the "guns don't kill" card, fine. Then who does? Five year olds that are legitimately marketed to and whose parents BUY THEM A ****ING RIFLE? That's a responsible industry? Come the **** on. These are the morons we're dealing with. Anyone that supports this shit should feel immense shame.

But **** it right, cuz the gubmint. My little ragtag group of hilljacks that can't hit a deer from 30 yards is going to stop a takeover. Quit watching ****ing Rambo.