Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

[QUOTE=Solefade]LeBron getting Eric Snow and Larry Hughes to the finals was way more impressive.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Magic 32]and Lebron can't win without..........[/QUOTE]


Exactly, no one wins on their own. So this thread is retarded just as the person created it.

[QUOTE=Magic 32][IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/wizthree420.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

You realize that all 3 of these guys were all-stars right?

[QUOTE=Nashty]You are a retard! How do you suppose to win when you're playing without Nash, Blake and Meeks, your first three choices on the guard positions?

And don't try to turn this into a this season debate, Lakers historically played better without Bryant, he is a no factor, put any other SG in the lineup and they are equally good, he brings absolutely nothing to his team except chucking his team out of wins. Lakers would have more rings if they had any other SG in the league who can play defense and won't chuck as much Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Again with the insults. If you are so mad just leave please. Bryant had the same predicaments thought the year, tye main reason they got the 8th place to begin but according to the stans the reason they lost was because of Kobe. Please take some time, go to a psychiatrist and get treatment because you my friend are obsessed with a person called Kobe and need help. If you want I cam adopt you so you can use my health plan if you don't have one. I will take a risk for a 13 year old abandoned kid.

[QUOTE=Bandito]Again with the insults. If you are so mad just leave please. Bryant had the same predicaments thought the year, [B]tye main reason they got the 8th place to begin[/B] but according to the stans the reason they lost was because of Kobe. Please take some time, go to a psychiatrist and get treatment because you my friend are obsessed with a person called Kobe and need help. If you want I cam adopt you so you can use my health plan if you don't have one. I will take a risk for a 13 year old abandoned kid.[/QUOTE]

That's true, he is the main reason they got to the 8th place, without him they would be top 1st or 2nd in the West.

[QUOTE=Nashty]That's true, he is the main reason they got to the 8th place, without him they would be top 1st or 2nd in the West.[/QUOTE]

Is this guy serious? They would be top team running there offense through who? Do you realize the small sample W-L size you are arguing.. since kobe hardly gets injured. You really think over the course of an entire season/playoffs, a team would perform better without having their elite wing?

[QUOTE=Nashty]That's true, he is the main reason they got to the 8th place, without him they would be top 1st or 2nd in the West.[/QUOTE]


Then why did they just get swept & blown out in every game against the Spurs :roll:

[QUOTE=baller562]Is this guy serious? They would be top team running there offense through who? Do you realize the small sample W-L size you are arguing.. since kobe hardly gets injured. You really think over the course of an entire season/playoffs, a team would perform better without having their elite wing?[/QUOTE]

He does get injured, but he doesn't want want to sit on the bench because the team would win more without him and he would be exposed.

I hope he will be injured the whole next season, I guarantee that Lakers will play better if Nash, Gasol and Howard can stay healthy.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Then why did they just get swept & blown out in every game against the Spurs :roll:[/QUOTE]

Because the guys who started those games they win without Kobe didn't play in playoffs :cheers:

How do you expect to win with Morris, Goudelock as your starting backourt?

Anyone that thinks a team is better off without Kobe on it is a moron. End of story.

Why the extremes? Why do we have to pretend like Pau and Odom weren't very good before LA...and great while they were there. Why do we have to pretend like Bynum didn't contribute positive things with his size and length?

Why do we have to pretend like Kobe isn't easily the best player on those teams?

So sick of this crap. Both ways.

Sick of hearing Kobe fans diminish Bynum...who averaged 9/7 in 24 minutes in the 2010 playoffs. And then hear the same fans talk like Tyson Chandler is god in 2011 for averaging 8/9 in 33 minutes per game.

[QUOTE=Nashty]Because the guys who started those games they win without Kobe didn't play in playoffs :cheers:

How do you expect to win with Morris, Goudelock as your starting backourt?[/QUOTE]

What happened in games 1 and 2?

[QUOTE=baller562]What happened in games 1 and 2?[/QUOTE]

Nash played on one leg, and Meeks didn't play in game 2.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Anyone that thinks a team is better off without Kobe on it is a moron. End of story.

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This is not what I think, this is a fact, they have the same or sometimes even better win-loss record without him in the lineup through his career, It's not like I made this up.

[QUOTE=Nashty]This is not what I think, this is a fact, they have the same or sometimes even better win-loss record without him in the lineup through his career, It's not like I made this up.[/QUOTE]

So what? Is that supposed to prove something?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]So what? Is that supposed to prove something?[/QUOTE]

That he's never been the MVP of the Lakers. Best individual player yes, but not the most valuable.

OP is correct Bynum can't even walk without being near the healing properties of Gawdbe :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Nashty]That he's never been the MVP of the Lakers. Best individual player yes, but not the most valuable.[/QUOTE]

Never?

Who was the most valuable Laker from 05 through 08?

And...meh...too small of a sample size. The Shaq Lakers may have been as good at times...even in the playoffs...without Kobe.

But since 04...those teams aren't nearly as good without Kobe. A few regular season games mean nothing.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Never?

Who was the most valuable Laker from 05 through 08?

And...meh...too small of a sample size. The Shaq Lakers may have been as good at times...even in the playoffs...without Kobe.

But since 04...those teams aren't nearly as good without Kobe. A few regular season games mean nothing.[/QUOTE]

Lamar Odom was the MVP from 05 through 08.

Is it a coincidence that Kobe is the only all time great which team have the same or better record without him?

Just look at Bulls record without Jordan, Celtics record without Bird or without Russell, Lakers record without Magic, Mavs record without Dirk.....