LeBron travelled twice in the last play..

[QUOTE=millwad]What in the name of god are you talking about?
He clearly had the ball in his hands before taking his first step, he took a massive first step without dribbling. A "shuffle", really?

And just to make it clear for you, he took 4 steps and he only dribbled the ball once, there's no situation in basketball where that is possible without a travel.[/QUOTE]

Really? step, dribble, step, step, half-step.

:facepalm

Seriously, did you just start watching basketball this year? This month? Today?

[QUOTE=millwad]Tell me in what situation that can occur, a player taking an amount of 4 steps with 1 dribble.[/QUOTE]


Players in the open court take 3-4 steps during one dribble all the time.

I have never seen anyone get called for a travel like that.

MJ did this regularly actually he was famous for it,i know i have watched him a lot.Get the ball quick spin move most of the time before he starts to dribble his pivot foot leaves the floor which is what happened here.

This is an outsider view,even here in europe,they wouldnt call that a travel.

is there a gif yet on this. or should i just youtube it?

9/10 times that play is a travel in college.

[B]HOLY SHIT DID OP JUST START WATCHING NBA? THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A TRAVEL[/B] :lol :lol

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Really? step, dribble, step, step, half-step.

:facepalm

Seriously, did you just start watching basketball this year? This month? Today?[/QUOTE]

You idiot, a step before a dribble is a travel.
And it was no half-step, it was a clear step. He took 4 steps, not 3.5..

It was a travel and you just shot yourself in the foot.

i hate lebron, but that wasnt a travel.
atleast by nba standards.


never has been called and of course it isnt called on this play
so don't use the "travel" excuse.

[QUOTE=Noob Saibot]is there a gif yet on this. or should i just youtube it?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mGkPX08Mcmk#t=51s[/url]

[QUOTE=millwad]Tell me in what situation that can occur, a player taking an amount of 4 steps with 1 dribble.[/QUOTE]

You can take as many steps as you want between a dribble.

You say you play pro ball somewhere, and you haven't been taught a stutter hesitation dribble? That involves like 5-6 steps in one dribble.

And you're allowed to take a step before you dribble. He catches the ball, his right foot is his pivot foot, he steps towards the hoop with his left foot (legal), and puts the ball on the floor. He takes 1-2 steps during the dribble, gathers the ball, then takes 2 steps and finishes.

LeBron gets away with travels, no doubt, but this is hardly the play you're going to call an NBA player for traveling.

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]I have never seen anyone get called for a travel like that.

MJ did this regularly actually he was famous for it,i know i have watched him a lot.Get the ball quick spin move most of the time before he starts to dribble his pivot foot leaves the floor which is what happened here.

This is an outsider view,even here in europe,they wouldnt call that a travel.[/QUOTE]

I don't know where in Europe you're from but that's a massive travel in Europe. I would know, I've played for the swedish youth national team and in the highest league in Sweden. I've gotten a ton of travelling calls like that.

[QUOTE=millwad]You idiot, a step before a dribble is a travel.
And it was no half-step, it was a clear step. He took 4 steps, not 3.5..

It was a travel and you just shot yourself in the foot.[/QUOTE]

A step before a dribble is a travel? Please tell me you're joking? :roll:

I'm done :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=bdreason][B]And you're allowed to take a step before you dribble[/B]. He catches the ball, his right foot is his pivot foot, he steps towards the hoop with his left foot (legal), and puts the ball on the floor. He takes 1-2 steps during the dribble, gathers the ball, then takes 2 steps and finishes.

LeBron gets away with travels, no doubt, but this is hardly the play you're going to call an NBA player for traveling.[/QUOTE]

You're not allowed to take a step before the dribble, are you serious?

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]9/10 times that play is a travel in college.[/QUOTE]

When you have to use college ball as a reference, you know the argument is over. :roll:

[QUOTE=millwad][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mGkPX08Mcmk#t=51s[/url][/QUOTE]

thank you young man. no travel here.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]A step before a dribble is a travel? Please tell me you're joking? :roll:

I'm done :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious, I know that you have LeBron's ball in your throat but a step before a dribble on a drive to the basket? Are you serious?

[QUOTE=millwad]I don't know where in Europe you're from but that's a massive travel in Europe. I would know, I've played for the swedish youth national team and in the highest league in Sweden. I've gotten a ton of travelling calls like that.[/QUOTE]
Wait.... Did you seriously not know that the traveling rules are different from NBA and Europe?

Knowing the whiners are gonna lose a bunch of sleep tonight is gonna make my sleep soooo peaceful.

[QUOTE=millwad]I don't know where in Europe you're from but that's a massive travel in Europe. I would know, I've played for the swedish youth national team and in the highest league in Sweden. I've gotten a ton of travelling calls like that.[/QUOTE]
Dude i remember from efes-olympiacos Spanoulis had a very similar sequence. I dont remember which game it was at the end of the regulation i will look it up.

Not a travel, and if you say it is then you are a retard and don't know sht about basketball.

Wait, they know it's not a travel, they are just hating Lebron after he proved them wrong.

[QUOTE=Dolphin]When you have to use college ball as a reference, you know the argument is over. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Are you saying the NBA has better officiating?! Lol please stop.:lol

[QUOTE=millwad]You're not allowed to take a step before the dribble, are you serious?[/QUOTE]


You are allowed to establish a pivot foot, and step as many times as you want with the other foot as long as you begin to dribble before you lift your pivot foot. The idea that you can't move either foot before dribbling is incorrect.

What most people need to understand is thats a TRAVEL
however that said in a NBA game i have never seen such travels get called especially at the end of the regulation.Thats not about lebron,i have never seen any player get called and millwad you are allowed to establish your pivot foot.

As i said before MJ did this regularly actually he was famous for it,Get the ball quick spin move most of the time before he starts to dribble his pivot foot leaves the floor which is what happened here.

[QUOTE=Dolphin]Knowing the whiners are gonna lose a bunch of sleep tonight is gonna make my sleep soooo peaceful.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://rantsports.media.s3.amazonaws.com/nba/files/2013/02/spurs-big-3.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]Are you saying the NBA has better officiating?! Lol please stop.:lol[/QUOTE]

I watch college ball religiously....more than the NBA. College officials are nowhere near as good. You can argue you like the rules of the game more in college, but you have to be an idiot to think the officials themselves are better.

[QUOTE=LBJMVP]i hate lebron, but that wasnt a travel.
atleast by nba standards.


never has been called and of course it isnt called on this play
so don't use the "travel" excuse.[/QUOTE]
You know it is crystal clear when Cavs fans are defending James. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]He sure as hell can't perform a clutch play within the rules of the game. He's not Paul George....[/QUOTE]


George wasn't fouled by wade...yet he gets 3 shots.

Seriously, I pity the LeBron haters. SERIOUSLY. Making up shi[I]t[/I] every fu[I]c[/I]king game.. :facepalm

SAYING THAT IS A TRAVEL IS LIKE SAYING WADE SHOULD'VE BEEN CALLED FOR A FLAGRANT AGAINST GEORGE.

[QUOTE=Dolphin]I watch college ball religiously....more than the NBA. College officials are nowhere near as good. You can argue you like the rules of the game more in college, but you have to be an idiot to think the officials themselves are better.[/QUOTE]

He's a 2013 troll. I'd just ignore him. Not even a.decent troll either.

[QUOTE=Dolphin]I watch college ball religiously....more than the NBA. College officials are nowhere near as good. You can argue you like the rules of the game more in college, but you have to be an idiot to think the officials themselves are better.[/QUOTE]
I feel like officials in the NBA tend to be more obviously biased one way or the other (usually for the home team) than the average collegiate official.

But, from a standpoint of ability and skill in officiating, being able to see the action clearly, etc., it's not close. The NBA officials are usually far superior at their craft.

I've seen things happen in big college games that would crash ISH if they happened even in the regular season. Those guys can be really, really bad at their jobs. Not necessarily shady or underhanded... Just unable to perform at an acceptable level.

No ref is ever going to call that. Even in college/high school, I don't think that gets called as a travel.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0vQGFpHrs&list=PL886AB75C92EA4D56&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0vQGFpHrs&list=PL886AB75C92EA4D56&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s[/URL]

For all those who think thats a travel look at this video

Look at tihs video in the slow motion you will see what i mean and no one will ever argue against hakeem.

THAT WASNT A TRAVEL IN NBA.

[QUOTE=Spaulding]He's a 2013 troll. I'd just ignore him. Not even a.decent troll either.[/QUOTE]

This coming from an Aug 2012 kid....
NBA officiating is more biased and not as good in college. Comments in YouTube vids of Bron Stan's even saying its a travel. Shocker.

No one is arguing that it wouldn't be called. We're saying that by NBA rules, it should be called. League is as fake as WWE, so you shouldn't expect it to be called.

[QUOTE=Soundwave]No ref is ever going to call that. Even in college/high school, I don't think that gets called as a travel.[/QUOTE]
Rightly so. Because it wasn't a travel.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]You know it is crystal clear when Cavs fans are defending James. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

i know right.

this has never been called a travel, so i dont know why there is such a long thread on it now.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I feel like officials in the NBA tend to be more obviously biased one way or the other (usually for the home team) than the average collegiate official.

But, from a standpoint of ability and skill in officiating, being able to see the action clearly, etc., it's not close. The NBA officials are usually far superior at their craft.

I've seen things happen in big college games that would crash ISH if they happened even in the regular season. Those guys can be really, really bad at their jobs. Not necessarily shady or underhanded... Just unable to perform at an acceptable level.[/QUOTE]

There are at least 10 charge calls per year that are so bad, if it happened in the NBA, the ref would be sent to the NBDL. lol

As far as NBA refs being more biased towards home teams, I have seen college refs get really shook because of the raucous home crowd. I will even admit it happens more than few times per year to the benefit of my Spartans. I think the NBA problem is more of a star thing rather than a scared of the crowd thing like in college.

I know a lot of people dislike Dan Dakich, but I love him because he's one of the only guys (NBA or college) who calls out refs (and players) continuously. It's hilarious.

The steps before the first bounce is a travel but it's understandably not called because it's very fast. Happens a lot in every game and very seldom called.

I don't see where the second travel is...

[QUOTE=DStebb716]The step before dribbling never gets called, and even if you count his gather step (which isn't to be counted) he only took 2 steps later.[/QUOTE]
That's right, I'm watching it. The first step is travelling, according to Fiba rules. They are now considering to change it. His two-step was alright though, he dribbled left and finished left, no travelling there.

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