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[QUOTE=Akhenaten]Thread starter did you witness Russell play in the 50's?[/QUOTE]
You meant the 60's, when he was winning championships? :facepalm
And stop trolling SamuraiSwish.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH] Guy was essentially a Dwight Howard in a weaker, smaller, less athletic, less talented league.[/QUOTE]
where do you get off calling people "kid," and then saying stupid shit like this?
[QUOTE=tikay0][B]Numerous accounts of people saying so[/B]. When Red Auerbach calls him the smartest player to ever play the game, that says something.[/QUOTE]
Multiple sauces?
[QUOTE=tikay0]You meant the 60's, when he was winning championships? :facepalm
And stop trolling SamuraiSwish.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. No championships for Bill Russell In the 50's. That's for sure.
This man knows his stuff. His opinions are to be taken very seriously.
:roll:
[QUOTE=tikay0]You meant the 60's, when he was winning championships? :facepalm
And stop trolling SamuraiSwish.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I thought you and Samurai were the same people. :lol
Anyway, there is some truth to what you say. Jordan was the better player because he was incredibly impactful on both offense and defense, but Russell had the perfect mindset and mentality to build around for a championship winning team... Plus, he's a center and is a strong interior presence.
...I don't know exactly who I'd take.. probably Jordan.. but they're the top 2.
[QUOTE=tikay0]Damn son. You literally can't give no one else besides MJ credit huh? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
that double negative.
I will take jordan over Russel in any era. it is just the truth that ERA in which russell played was very weak compared to the modern era.
Just an FYI: Russell was surrounded by four-to-five other HOFers his ENTIRE career and often played weak ball clubs who barely had winning records (or even had losing records) in the finals.
Not just that, his Celtics only had to play 2-3 rounds to win a ring.
I have no issue with anyone taking Russell over Jordan. The guy the GOAT winner. I just think Mike was a better 2-way player, and unlike Russell, had no weakness dominating on BOTH ends of the floor.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yeah. No championships for Bill Russell In the 50's. That's for sure.
This man knows his stuff. His opinions are to be taken very seriously.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
Yes, he won chips in the 50's, but a majority of them were in the 60's.
You use your corny emoticons like you're a 5th grader.
[QUOTE=K Xerxes]Damn, I thought you and Samurai were the same people. :lol
Anyway, there is some truth to what you say. Jordan was the better player because he was incredibly impactful on both offense and defense, but Russell had the perfect mindset and mentality to build around for a championship winning team... Plus, he's a center and is a strong interior presence.
...I don't know exactly who I'd take.. probably Jordan.. but they're the top 2.[/QUOTE]
As much as people bitch about today's type of centers, Bill Russell was exactly that same style of center. He's closest counterpart is probably Joakim Noah.
[QUOTE=K Xerxes]Damn, I thought you and Samurai were the same people. :lol [/QUOTE]
LMAO. I'm a Bulls homer. He's an MJ homer.
[QUOTE=tikay0]You meant the 60's, when he was winning championships? :facepalm
And stop trolling SamuraiSwish.[/QUOTE]
Huh? difference does it make? he played 4 seasons in the 50's, regardless, did you witness him play?
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Just an FYI: Russell was surrounded by four-to-five other HOFers his ENTIRE career and often played weak ball clubs who barely had winning records (or even had losing records) in the finals.
Not just that, his Celtics only had to play 2-3 rounds to win a ring.
I have no issue with anyone taking Russell over Jordan. The guy the GOAT winner. I just think Mike was a better 2-way player, and unlike Russell, h[B]ad no weakness dominating on BOTH ends of the floor[/B].[/QUOTE]
guards inherently have a weakness dominating on the defensive end of the floor.
[QUOTE=tikay0]Yes, he won chips in the 50's, but a majority of them were in the 60's.
You use your corny emoticons like you're a 5th grader.[/QUOTE]
Translation: "Oh fcuk. I didn't know that. I've just been repeating what I've heard from multiple sauces."
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Just an FYI: Russell was surrounded by four-to-five other HOFers his ENTIRE career and often played weak ball clubs who barely had winning records (or even had losing records) in the finals.
Not just that, his Celtics only had to play 2-3 rounds to win a ring.
I have no issue with anyone taking Russell over Jordan. The guy the GOAT winner. I just think Mike was a better 2-way player, and unlike Russell, had no weakness dominating on BOTH ends of the floor.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Russel and Chamberlain faced various legends on a nightly basis, yet still were known as the best players of their generation. Throughout the decade, the two were subject to strong competition Some of the great players Russel and Chamberlain faced included:
1960-1964:
Dolph Schayes
Bob Pettit
Walt Bellamy
Jerry Lucas
1965-1968:
Willis Reed
Elvin Hayes
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond
1969-1972:
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Bob Lanier
Artis Gilmore
Billy Cunningham
Dave Cowens[/QUOTE]
And they were facing those guys on the regular.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Translation: "Oh fcuk. I didn't know that. I've just been repeating what I've heard from multiple sauces."
:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
haha, dude exposed him self.
clown.
[QUOTE=Akhenaten]haha, dude exposed him self.
clown.[/QUOTE]
How many alts do you have Numbersixx? It's pathetic. You're a little hick from Indiana that root for the Lakers, and your favorite player is Lebron.
You're a cornball kid.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH].................. [/QUOTE]
Fan of MJ, not the Bulls.
[QUOTE=tikay0]How many alts do you have Numbersixx? It's pathetic. You're a little hick from Indiana that root for the Lakers, and your favorite player is Lebron.
You're a cornball kid.[/QUOTE]
The words of an embarrassed victim of the ether.
:lebronamazed:
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]where do you get off calling people "kid," and then saying stupid shit like this?[/QUOTE]
He's in my top ten, don't get your undies in a twist. And you both are kids. tikay0 more so ... I know for a fact that neither of you two watched Russell growing up in context. And here is tikay0 with his trying so desperately hard re-vamped ISH image of being an "un-biased / knowledgeable poster" ... I see right through that shit.
Apparently I'm not a Bulls fan, either. Just an MJ homer. Or whatever that means. Why? Because I can tell you precisely why I'd choose MJ over Russell? Given he was the best player on both sides of the ball, won 6 rings in a more competitive era with a roster as it related to the rest of his contemporaries that wasn't as stacked as Russell's Celtics of the 60's?
tikay0 isn't a Bulls fan, or even an MJ homer. He's a slave to ISH popular perception, because he actually cares about his "reputation" on here. Thus the sudden re-invention in trying to sound like a knowledgeable fan, spouting off things he has heard other people say.
BTW, what about any of my post on Bill Russell has anything to do with me being a Bulls fan or not? Not a single mention of the Chicago franchise.
Russell was a defensive stopper. His offensive game, was at times particularly weak. For 7 of his rings, he wasn't the leading scorer or sometimes second or even third leading scorer on his team. That's how stacked the Celtics were ... and how other players on that team were MAJOR superstar caliber contributors, just like Russell's unique niche on defense and the glass.
Russell was incredibly smart, and a great leader. He was a piece of a huge Boston Celtics puzzle. He was yearly the best player on his defense for his team, that much is acknowledged. But of his 11 championships, he's probably only the best player on 3 or 4 of those teams, undisputed. People act like he was easily the most important player on both sides of the ball for the Celtics. What about that makes him different than Ben Wallace? What about that makes him so much better than a Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, or Duncan?
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]....................[/QUOTE]
Fan of MJ. Not the Bulls.
[QUOTE=tikay0]And they were facing those guys on the regular.[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting Russell had more competition? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=tikay0]..........[/QUOTE]
Fan of Bill Russell / Celtics ... not a fan of the Chicago Bulls or MJ.
ISH reputation whore.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Fan of Bill Russell / Celtics ... not a fan of the Chicago Bulls or MJ.
ISH reputation whore.[/QUOTE]
Fan of MJ, not the Bulls.
Reputation whore? You know how much I talk shit about Lebron/Kobe? I'm not Numbersixx, I don't attract the lowest common denominator.
IMO, keyword, IMO, I'd take Russell over MJ, if I were to start a franchise. Why you so butt hurt? You're acting like I called MJ a bum.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Fan of Bill Russell / Celtics ... not a fan of the Chicago Bulls or MJ.
ISH reputation whore.[/QUOTE]
I've literally never seen the kid say a thing about Bill Russell until the past few days. He obviously has no knowledge whatsoever of Russell's history. He hears Phil Jackson say he'd pick Bill Russell, and out of the blue, he's been dick riding him the last few days. He's not smart enough to understand that smarter people have the capability of seeing exactly what he's doing.
[QUOTE=tikay0]How many alts do you have Numbersixx? It's pathetic. You're a little hick from Indiana that root for the Lakers, and your favorite player is Lebron.
You're a cornball kid.[/QUOTE]
shut your square ass up
so anybody who laughs at a fool for being a fool is a alt account?
you didn't witness the man play you have NO frame of reference, NO context
shut the F up and take your L with you
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[QUOTE=tikay0]I don't get it. Are you mad about something? :confusedshrug:
You act like I didnt know how great Russell was. I changed my mind, and now I'd take him over MJ and Kareem. I did some extensive research on the man, and I've come to the conclusion that he had the highest IQ, and will to win in NBA history.
Why you so mad? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Its just damn funny that you were making sweeping claims about Russell that he wasn't close to MJ and it was obvious you hadn't done your research. Now that you have done the research its all "oh shit this guy was awesome". I can't lie though, I've done the same regarding players from the past.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]You're not a fan of the Bulls or MJ.
Bill Russell over Jordan? Yea, because few basketball enthusiasts would dare make that claim, let alone Bulls fans. And you're trying to convince us you're a Chicago fan.
You've admitted to me you're essentially trying to change your perception around here with new "tactics" ... no one was taking you seriously before, so this is your effort to re-invent yourself on ISH to get your opinion taken seriously.
Anyway, we don't believe you ... you need MORE people. You're not a Bulls fan, MJ fan, not even a Russell / Celtics fan. You never even seen the guy play, or evidently done research on his teams, the years he won, competition faced, state of the league, etc.
You're literally that little brother trying to interject into big brother's conversation with his friends trying desperately to sound smart in order to be taken seriously.
And much like the older brother does with his friends, we keep pushing you away. Go play with your trucks.[/QUOTE]
This is the funniest post I've ever seen posted. There's no need to prove than I'm a real Bulls fan to an MJ homer.
My reputation is intact. I ride or die with my Bulls. Anyone that says I don't, don't even matter to me.
[QUOTE]You've admitted to me you're essentially trying to change your perception around here with new "tactics" ... no one was taking you seriously before, so this is your effort to re-invent yourself on ISH to get your opinion taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
LMAO. I said, i was going to be passive aggressive with the Lebron stans, because that pisses them off even more. The fact that you're now making shit up just shows your true character. A guy that literally says absurd stuff if you say anything negative towards MJ. No wonder why you're only known as an MJ homer.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]I've literally never seen the kid say a thing about Bill Russell until the past few days. He obviously has no knowledge whatsoever of Russell's history. He hears Phil Jackson say he'd pick Bill Russell, and out of the blue, he's been dick riding him the last few days. He's not smart enough to understand that smarter people have the capability of seeing exactly what he's doing.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, verbatim.
[QUOTE=tikay0]Fan of MJ, not the Bulls.
Reputation whore? You know how much I talk shit about Lebron/Kobe? I'm not Numbersixx, I don't attract the lowest common denominator.
IMO, keyword, IMO, I'd take Russell over MJ, if I were to start a franchise. Why you so butt hurt? You're acting like I called MJ a bum.[/QUOTE]
You're not a fan or even a self proclaimed "homer" of the Bulls or MJ. You're concerned with your ISH rep. Thus, an ISH rep whore.
See, when I troll on LeBron or Kobe, it's basically the survival of the fittest of the current state of ISH. I don't always believe the things I say, I do them in a competitive / fun nature. I have two sides of my basketball mind, or modes. One is fan mode, the other is historical perspective. In neither case would I choose Russell over MJ. Hell, probably not even over LeBron either.
Bill Russell over Jordan? Yea, because few basketball enthusiasts would dare make that claim, let alone Bulls fans. And you're trying to convince us you're a Chicago Bulls "homer"? Hahaha
You've admitted to me you're essentially trying to change your perception around here with new "tactics" ... no one was taking you seriously before, so this is your effort to re-invent yourself on ISH to get your opinion taken seriously.
Anyway, we don't believe you ... you need MORE people. You're not a Bulls fan, MJ fan, not even a Russell / Celtics fan. You never even seen the guy play, or evidently done research on his teams, the years he won, competition faced, state of the league, etc.
You're literally that little brother trying to interject into big brother's conversation with his friends trying desperately to sound smart in order to be taken seriously.
And much like the older brother does with his friends, we keep pushing you away. Go play with your trucks.
[QUOTE=nightprowler10]Its just damn funny that you were making sweeping claims about Russell that he wasn't close to MJ and it was obvious you hadn't done your research. Now that you have done the research its all "oh shit this guy was awesome". I can't lie though, I've done the same regarding players from the past.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I did my research, and now I appreciate his greatness even more. :confusedshrug:
If certain people can't handle that. Fugg em.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH].............
[/QUOTE]
Fan of MJ, not of the Bulls. :no:
P.S. You're a demented guy. I said I preferred Russell to MJ, and now you're acting like a scorned child. WOW.
You're acting like Numbersixx right now.
[QUOTE=tikay0]You act like I didn't know how great Russell was. I changed my mind, and now I'd take him over MJ and Kareem. [B]I did some extensive research on the man[/B], and I've come to the conclusion that he had the highest IQ, and will to win in NBA history.[/QUOTE]
Hearing 1 Phil Jackson quote = extensive research
:banana:
[QUOTE=tikay0]This is the funniest post I've ever seen posted. There's no need to prove than I'm a real Bulls fan to an MJ homer.[/quote]
Clearly you're a Bill Russell / ISH rep whore "homer" ...
[quote=tikay0]My reputation is intact.[/quote]
It's been cemented here for awhile now.
[quote=tikay0]I ride or die with my Bulls.[/quote]
Sure you do. Goes on to say Russell > Jordan. That makes sense.
[quote=tikay0] Anyone that says I don't, don't even matter to me.[/quote]
That's fine, you've pretty much never mattered to any of us.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Clearly you're a Bill Russell / ISH rep whore "homer" ...
It's been cemented here for awhile now.
Sure you do. Goes on to say Russell > Jordan. That makes sense.
That's fine, you've pretty much never mattered to any of us.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Why you so mad? :confusedshrug:
This is the internet nikka. Calm yo sweet ass down.
Why'd you get banned though?
[QUOTE=tikay0]:oldlol: Why you so mad? :confusedshrug:
This is the internet nikka. Calm yo sweet ass down.
Why'd you get banned though?[/QUOTE]
I don't think he's mad at you and your blatant lack of awareness. It's just to kick people while they're down.
[QUOTE=JoHnNyBoXeR]That's just phill Jackson having a bias towards his era of nba players.. In today's game bill Russell would be great .. But at 6'9 would be an extremely undersized center .. No doubt he'd be great but he wouldn't dominate the same way[/QUOTE]
Ben Wallace is like 6'7 without shoes, I'd say he handled himself well
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Pretty much, verbatim.
You're not a fan or even a self proclaimed "homer" of the Bulls or MJ. You're concerned with your ISH rep. Thus, an ISH rep whore.
See, when I troll on LeBron or Kobe, it's basically the survival of the fittest of the current state of ISH. I don't always believe the things I say, I do them in a competitive / fun nature. I have two sides of my basketball mind, or modes. One is fan mode, the other is historical perspective. In neither case would I choose Russell over MJ. Hell, probably not even over LeBron either.
Bill Russell over Jordan? Yea, because few basketball enthusiasts would dare make that claim, let alone Bulls fans. And you're trying to convince us you're a Chicago Bulls "homer"? Hahaha
You've admitted to me you're essentially trying to change your perception around here with new "tactics" ... no one was taking you seriously before, so this is your effort to re-invent yourself on ISH to get your opinion taken seriously.
Anyway, we don't believe you ... you need MORE people. You're not a Bulls fan, MJ fan, not even a Russell / Celtics fan. You never even seen the guy play, or evidently done research on his teams, the years he won, competition faced, state of the league, etc.
You're literally that little brother trying to interject into big brother's conversation with his friends trying desperately to sound smart in order to be taken seriously.
And much like the older brother does with his friends, we keep pushing you away. Go play with your trucks.[/QUOTE]
Instead of pointing out how unaware he is why don't you go after what you claim to be the only thing he truly knows about Bill Russell and why Phil Jackson is mistaken? IF that truly is all he knows and you know that much more then him you'd just knock that and he wouldn't have anything else to argue
I'd have a hard time personally taking Russell over Jordan, but when someone like Phil says it who has an awareness of the game so much more so then you do that it dwarfs the difference between you and Tik I think its more important to say why Phils wrong then to point out people who are possibly just riding the opinions of people who are smarter then them
(I haven't read all of it yet so if you've done exactly that my bad lol)
[QUOTE=jongib369]...........[/QUOTE]
He's an MJ homer, and not a Bulls fan.
[QUOTE=tikay0]I got owned[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=tikay0]You do know that the Lakers had a 7 to 2 vote to not bring Wilt onto the team.
They eventually got him, but c'mon man. He was regarded around the league as a head case.
Bill Russell might've been a lot of things, but a bad teammate wasn't one of them.[/QUOTE]
Find me a legitimate source on that 7-2 vote.
As far as "head case", even in Wilt's 50 ppg season, his teammates PRAISED him.
Every team Chamberlain joined instantly became a title contender, and every team he left immediately declined.
Furthermore, he was not really "traded" after the 67-68 season. He pretty much forced the Sixers into that deal. He was ready to jump to the ABA, and Philly would have received nothing.