Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]^that = Racial profiling & racially motivated[/QUOTE]

No, that's called fitting a description. If the people that were breaking into and robbing homes in the neighborhood were White or Hispanic males in their late teens, and George seen a White or Hispanic male in his late teens, who he had never seen before and he thought they were acting suspiciously, so he observed and followed him from a distance and reported him to the authorities, that wouldn't be racial profiling.

If because he's a black teenager, can he never look suspicious?

[QUOTE=MJ23forever]No, that's called fitting a description. If the people that were breaking into and robbing homes in the neighborhood were White or Hispanic males in their late teens, and George seen a White or Hispanic male in his late teens, who he had never seen before and he thought they were acting suspiciously, so he observed and followed him from a distance and reported him to the authorities, that wouldn't be racial profiling. [/quote]

:oldlol:

that is racial profiling because you are using race to determine who is and who isnt a suspect..



Being black and george not knowing ya doesnt make you a suspect

[quote]If because he's black, can he never look suspicious?[/QUOTE]

You need to be more than just black to be suspicious...

Maybe if Trayvon was testing people's car doors to see if they were unlocked? that would be suspicious..

but walking slow and being Black doesnt = suspicious, at least not in the mind of a person who isnt a racist

Like I said.. The f*ckin idiot Larry Elder would invite Zimmerman into his neighborhood and get his own kids shot and killed because they "fit the description"

Also, you can only "fit the description" AFTER a crime has been committed :lol

If you "fit the description" before you have even done anything? you are being profiled

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]
You need to be more than just black to be suspicious...

Maybe if Trayvon was testing people's car doors to see if they were unlocked? that would be suspicious..

but walking slow and being Black doesnt = suspicious, at least not in the mind of a person who isnt a racist[/QUOTE]

Eh. Walking slowly from house to house in the dark, in the rain, while looking through windows and moving through other people's yards is pretty suspect behavior.

[QUOTE=LJJ]Eh. Walking slowly from house to house in the dark, in the rain, while looking through windows and moving through other people's yards is pretty suspect behavior.[/QUOTE]


So how fast is Trayvon allowed to walk before he is walking too fast? is walking fast in the rain suspicious?

Is Trayvon peering through people's windows? Or is he walking down the street looking at houses?

Plenty of neighborhoods have areas where you can cut behind the houses as a shorcut.. Especially if some "creepy cracka" is following you in his car..

turns out George was seeing what he WANTED to see.. He already had his mind made up ..

"These f*ckin Punks.. They always get away" He was already certain..

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Larry Elder is a f*ckin idiot..

I can understand if he is mad at people in South Central LA or wherever, but that has nothing to do with Trayvon.. you justify someone getting followed and shot when they werent commiting a crime.

He says he wish Zimmerman was the watch person in his neighborhood :oldlol:

Earth to Larry Elder.... You are black which means Zimmerman would probably profile and shoot your kids you idiot.. :facepalm

Im no fan of piers Morgan but he made Larry Elder look like a fool..[/QUOTE]

I've never really watched Piers Morgan... and still don't see any reason to watch him after this. Getting balanced sides of an issue is important but getting information through the prism of a fool does no good at all. Its good to see Larry Elder take this clown on.

I will say... I did find it amusing when Elders went on and on... just dogged out Rachel Jentel, then Piers Morgan pointed out that she speaks 3 languages and larry elders said "Oh, so you want to bring it back to Rachel. That's not what we are talking about....." :oldlol:. I almost fell off my chair cracking up!!

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I've never really watched Piers Morgan... and still don't see any reason to watch him after this. Getting balanced sides of an issue is important but getting information through the prism of a fool does no good at all. Its good to see Larry Elder take this clown on.

I will say... I did find it amusing when Elders went on and on... just dogged out Rachel Jentel, then Piers Morgan pointed out that she speaks 3 languages and larry elders said "Oh, so you want to bring it back to Rachel. That's not what we are talking about....." :oldlol:. I almost fell off my chair cracking up!![/QUOTE]


I hear you... I dont really like Morgan either... thats why it is really sad to Elder go on the show melt down like that..

He was basically mad because Morgan said Jeantel was "a smart cookie" but he wouldnt just answer some simple questions when asked..

I know Elder feels like a jackass after seeing himself on TV going out like that

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]So how fast is Trayvon allowed to walk before he is walking too fast? is walking fast in the rain suspicious?

Is Trayvon peering through people's windows? Or is he walking down the street looking at houses?

Plenty of neighborhoods have areas where you can cut behind the houses as a shorcut.. Especially if some "creepy cracka" is following you in his car..

turns out George was seeing what he WANTED to see.. He already had his mind made up ..

"These f*ckin Punks.. They always get away" He was already certain..[/QUOTE]

We can't really know for sure if Trayvon was behaving suspiciously or not. According to Zimmerman he was, unfortunately that's the only account we have.

You are seeing what you want to see also by pretending you actually know what happened.

[QUOTE=bagelred]This is just like a conspiracy theory. :oldlol: No one will look at the facts and everyone is simply going on emotion that the media is escalating. Everyone is so hopped up that Zimmerman is a racist and it's profiling and etc. etc. etc......

Instead, if they just looked at the facts for like, 1/2 hour, it's clear it's obvious self defense and totally justified, and Zimmerman did nothing illegal or morally wrong. Not only that, he should be praised for taking initiative to keep his neighborhood safe.[/QUOTE]

Arguable @ morally wrong.

Illegal, obviously not. But no one was there, we'll never know what happened.

The morality part, time will tell. Dude will probably explain the whole situation in his (undoubtably) upcoming book.

-Smak

[QUOTE=LJJ]We can't really know for sure if Trayvon was behaving suspiciously or not. According to Zimmerman he was, unfortunately that's the only account we have.

You are seeing what you want to see also by pretending you actually know what happened.[/QUOTE]


I never said I know what happened.. I asked you a question..


From what we know, Trayvon wasnt doing anything that warranted being followed.

He had no tools on his person to break into someone's home.. From all the evidence he was simply going to the store and then coming home.

And even if he was "suspicious" it still doesnt justify George getting out of his truck and pursuing the kid..

this all could have been avoided

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24][IMG]http://www.blogcdn.com/iconos.aollatino.com/media/2011/08/canelo-alvarez-389lg170811_389x226.jpg[/IMG]

[B][SIZE="5"]Hispanic[/SIZE][/B]

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[B][SIZE="5"]Black[/SIZE][/B]

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[B][SIZE="5"]White[/SIZE][/B]

:hammerhead:



there is no such thing as race...





:pimp:[/QUOTE]


:facepalm

[QUOTE=dude77]:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Why the facepalm? AlphaWolf24 is actually right (can't believe I'm saying this)

The concept of race is a human generated concept. It has no scientific bearing and is purely social.

The fact of the matter is there is only one race, and it's the human race.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]The fact of the matter is there is only one race, and it's the human race.[/QUOTE]
AlphaWolf said there's no such thing as race, though. Either way, he's wrong.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I never said I know what happened.. I asked you a question..


From what we know, Trayvon wasnt doing anything that warranted being followed.

He had no tools on his person to break into someone's home.. From all the evidence he was simply going to the store and then coming home.

And even if he was "suspicious" it still doesnt justify George getting out of his truck and pursuing the kid..

this all could have been avoided[/QUOTE]

We don't know that he was pursuing Martin. Actually, the only evidence we have points towards that being the other way around.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Why the facepalm? AlphaWolf24 is actually right (can't believe I'm saying this)

The concept of race is a human generated concept. It has no scientific bearing and is purely social.

The fact of the matter is there is only one race, and it's the human race.[/QUOTE]

"race" is kind of a strange idea. humans are the only species where individuals with phenotypic differences get called different "races". with other animals such as cats and dogs, we refer to phenotype differences as "breeds".

other than the color, is there any difference between a black cat and a white cat?

you can call it whatever you want .. but there exists different groups with distinct differences .. one of them being the skull .. pure caucasian skulls are different from pure black skulls and pure eastern asian skulls etc .. also certain groups are more prone to get certain diseases and such .. it's not that simple to say we're just the human race ..

it does a disservice to humans in general to disregard these differences .. they are there .. they should be acknowledged and studied, not disregarded

[QUOTE=dude77]you can call it whatever you want .. but there exists different groups with distinct differences .. one of them being the skull .. pure caucasian skulls are different from pure black skulls and pure eastern asian skulls etc .. also certain groups are more prone to get certain diseases and such .. it's not that simple to say we're just the human race ..

it does a disservice to humans in general to disregard these differences .. they are there .. they should be acknowledged and studied, not disregarded[/QUOTE]
we're all from africa brah. embrace your blackness

[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]we're all from africa brah. embrace your blackness[/QUOTE]

what did I just say about disregarding ? learn to listen 'brah'

[QUOTE=LJJ]We don't know that he was pursuing Martin. Actually, the only evidence we have points towards that being the other way around.[/QUOTE]


thats not true.. Zimmerman says himself he was pursuing Martin on the dispatch tape.

There is no evidence that martin pursued Zimmerman..

Let's assume that there hadn't been any home invasions in the neighborhood. If that was the case and GZ followed TM then he would be guilty of racial profiling.

gz was keeping track of tm .. meanwhile tm was terrified so he called up his boo to flirt with her instead of calling for help

[QUOTE=tontoz]Let's assume that there hadn't been any home invasions in the neighborhood. If that was the case and GZ followed TM then he would be guilty of racial profiling.[/QUOTE]

why would he be guilty of racial profiling ?

[QUOTE=tontoz]Let's assume that there hadn't been any home invasions in the neighborhood. If that was the case and GZ followed TM then he would be guilty of racial profiling.[/QUOTE]


You need a reason to begin profiling.... Its like profiling muslims at the airport. the 911 plane hijacking are the reason officials began profiling muslims.. NYPD profiling muslims because of terrorist attacks

[QUOTE=dude77]gz was keeping track of tm .. meanwhile tm was terrified so he called up his boo to flirt with her instead of calling for help[/QUOTE]
dude77, do you think it is in the cards for you to conduct yourself as an adult one day, and not as a f--king idiot?

[QUOTE=dude77]why would he be guilty of racial profiling ?[/QUOTE]


Because he would have no reason to suspect him other than the fact that he was black. Just walking along a sidewalk is not a reason to be under suspicion.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]You need a reason to begin profiling.... Its like profiling muslims at the airport. the 911 plane hijacking are the reason officials began profiling muslims.. NYPD profiling muslims because of terrorist attacks[/QUOTE]



Given that there had been a string of home invasions by a black teen, GZ was automatically going to be suspicious of any black teen walking in the neighborhood at night.

[QUOTE=gigantes]dude77, do you think it is in the cards for you to conduct yourself as an adult one day, and not as a f--king idiot?[/QUOTE]

I'm only mirroring the 'idiots' who are defaming and callling for gz's(innocent man) head .. why don't you ask that same question to those people defaming and falsely calling gz a racist ? oh wait ..

[QUOTE=tontoz]Because he would have no reason to suspect him other than the fact that he was black. Just walking along a sidewalk is not a reason to be under suspicion.[/QUOTE]

what do you mean he would have no reason to suspect him ? .. are you saying that no black guy can look suspicious ?

[QUOTE=tontoz]Given that there had been a string of home invasions by a black teen, GZ was automatically going to be suspicious of any black teen walking in the neighborhood at night.[/QUOTE]


exactly and that is racial profiling.. The profile of the criminal is a black person... Just like the profile of the terrorist is muslim..

so you suspect Muslims/Blacks because the people who did the crime were black/muslim too.

Barkley nailed it.

[QUOTE=dude77]you can call it whatever you want .. but there exists different groups with distinct differences .. one of them being the skull .. pure caucasian skulls are different from pure black skulls and pure eastern asian skulls etc .. also certain groups are more prone to get certain diseases and such .. it's not that simple to say we're just the human race[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qaWp8_z81w"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qaWp8_z81w[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]thats not true.. Zimmerman says himself he was pursuing Martin on the dispatch tape.

There is no evidence that martin pursued Zimmerman..[/QUOTE]

To pursue someone means you have the intent to catch or attack them. Zimmerman never said he was doing that, he said he was following Martin. Martin is the one who initiated a violent confrontation.


It's really quite worrysome that you would misrepresent the facts like that in your head. Zimmerman was pursuing Martin now, by his own account. That's what you actually make yourself believe.

I don't know if GZ was prejudiced against blacks before the home invasions. However i think that any white guy who is prejudiced against blacks will be far more likely to become a cop than guys who aren't prejudiced.

I have heard so many stories from black guys being harassed by cops for no reason, there must be something behind it.

[QUOTE=dude77]what do you mean he would have no reason to suspect him ? .. are you saying that no black guy can look suspicious ?[/QUOTE]


No. I am saying that a guy walking down a sidewalk should not be under suspicion. If it was a white girl walking down the sidewalk it would be unlikely that anyone would think twice about it.

[QUOTE=dude77]

it does a disservice to humans in general to disregard these differences .. they are there .. they should be acknowledged and studied, not disregarded[/QUOTE]

The minor physical differences humans have are irrelevant. They have no meaning whatsoever except in social constructions.

If the small physical differences you pointed out really were true (which they're not), then they would be consistent in every person of that ethnic group.

[QUOTE=LJJ]To pursue someone means you have the intent to catch or attack them. Zimmerman never said he was doing that, he said he was following Martin. Martin is the one who initiated a violent confrontation.


It's really quite worrysome that you would misrepresent the facts like that in your head. Zimmerman was pursuing Martin now, by his own account. That's what you actually make yourself believe.[/QUOTE]

you are playing a semantics game.. stop..

He was pursuing him.. He says so on the tape :oldlol: Im not making it up..

If Zimmerman stays in his truck? nothing happens that night..

Martin sure as hell wasnt pursuing Zimmerman.. He was coming from the store.

there is no evidence that Martin ever pursued Zimmerman.. but there is evidence that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]you are playing a semantics game.. stop..

He was pursuing him.. He says so on the tape :oldlol: Im not making it up..

If Zimmerman stays in his truck? nothing happens that night..

Martin sure as hell wasnt pursuing Zimmerman.. He was coming from the store.

there is no evidence that Martin ever pursued Zimmerman.. but there is evidence that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin[/QUOTE]

Isn't this the transcript: [url]http://www.motherjones.com/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman[/url]

I don't see Zimmerman saying he's pursuing Martin. Shocking that you actually believe Zimmerman said that on the tape, this is how your mind plays tricks on you.

[QUOTE=tontoz]No. I am saying that a guy walking down a sidewalk should not be under suspicion. If it was a white girl walking down the sidewalk it would be unlikely that anyone would think twice about it.[/QUOTE]

you're gonna be judged on how you look and act .. it's just how it is ..

the example you use with the white girl is the same with a black girl .. a normally dressed black girl walking down the street wouldn't have caught his eye .. neither would a normally dressed black guy who's not acting suspiciously .. he didn't call him in because he saw him 'walking down the sidewalk' ..

and as much as people want to defend him wearing a hoodie .. hoodies are now a tool of criminals .. you should know not to wear it on dark, rainy nights while you're going around standing in front of other peoples' houses .. use your damn heads

[QUOTE=dude77]I'm only mirroring the 'idiots' who are defaming and callling for gz's(innocent man) head .. why don't you ask that same question to those people defaming and falsely calling gz a racist ? oh wait ..[/QUOTE]
oh wait, nothing... i did that back when i was a zimmerman supporter, although not on this forums so much.

anyway, fine... i see your method, i just don't appreciate it. but my problem, not yours. sorry.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]The minor physical differences humans have are irrelevant. They have no meaning whatsoever except in social constructions.

[B]If the small physical differences you pointed out really were true[/B] (which they're not), then they would be consistent in every person of that ethnic group.[/QUOTE]

what are you referring to .. the skull shapes ? .. that's a fact .. this isn't speculation .. I'm talking about pure breeds .. not mixed people