The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzwwpQhSdk0[/url]

:wtf: .....:eek: .....:rolleyes: .....:facepalm

Of course whites see it as a non issue, what else is knew? :confusedshrug:

I think things have improved in some areas, but remained the same in others. Overall a slight improvement, but then again, I'm Mexican not black. It's unfair for me to say because I don't live in a black person's shoes every day.

We may see examples of black people being accepted more, but that doesn't mean that things overall are necessarily better.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Do you think they are just joking or do you think the internet simply gives them the freedom to say things they wouldnt dare say in public?[/QUOTE]

Some of it is trolling, sometimes immature people find it fun just to make others mad and they are jackasses that don't censor themselves from sensitive topics.

Eg. I made a thread when I was bored in the NBA forum where I argued that Kwame Brown was better than Havlicek. Also those douche bags that go to places women gather and chant "no means yes and yes means ****". I honestly believe people sometimes act like douches out of boredom.

But ya most of it is people saying stuff that they wouldn't publically. My point was say in a population of 300 million, 3 million held extreme racist beliefs. They would be the ones that make the news for spouting it online. everyone would focus on that and that would give imo a false impression.

[QUOTE]Went down south street recently... Me and My wife went to eat (My wife is Italian).. We eat in the restaurant and then we get ready to leave.. We both go to the bathroom I come out before her so I wait... She comes out fuming mad.. She says this white lady in the bathroom asked if she was "OK" and did she need help.. Apparently the white lady assumed the black guy (me) waiting outside the bathroom for her was causing her problems..
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Maybe its because I have never had to deal with something like that but I don't think something like that would affect me that much.

The thing with the parking space sucks and the cops suck, but do they really affect your life in the big scheme of things? did it prevent you from getting a job? did it prevent you from living your life? I have had people block parking spaces before, I just go find another most of the time.

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The funny thing is that I know white people know deep down inside that there is still alot of racism in America.. My brother in law is a cop (I know he knows).. His cop friend trained their big ass dog to attack black people..[/QUOTE]

i honestly don't think racism is a huge factor in america. I am not saying there aren't a lot of racists in this country. Of course there are. There are probably a bunch of child molesters, rapists, criminals, thieves, gang members, serial killers, etc. It doesn't define america.

Racism defined america pre 1980s. I think there were a lot of talented black people then that were denied jobs in corporate america because of their race. Based on my personal experience nowadays workplaces try not to look too white and male. They will spend effort to try to project diversity. Have had my bosses ask me to recommend someone and strongly hinted that they didn't want a white male. I just don't think people fail or succeed predominantly today because of their race.

We elected an african american president when african americans are only 12-13 percent of the population. At the very least the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist enough that they wont accept a black man as their president. Also I don't think everyone that voted against obama did it for racial reasons.

Just my personal experience but every racist white person i have met or known has either been old (50+) and/or been a total loser trailer park white trash with zero ability to actually negatively influence a non-white persons life. I tend to think most of these people will be dead in 20 years.

[QUOTE=Myth]Just to be clear, your scale is different from the video. I'd say about 50 if we are talking about "success" as you mentioned, and most of what keeps that down is based on a culture that was set up by white people generations ago that permeates through the educational system today, including differing expectations of black youth (I'm not just talking about being treated differently in the classroom, but I'm including parents who don't push education as much because what they were raised with in a white dominated society). Once it gets to the job interview if you have succeeded in academics, then I'd agree that you are judged on your capabilities in most situations.

However, the video asks for a scale of eliminating racism, which I would put that answer down to about 20-25. There are daily reminders of racial issues if you are not a white person blindly walking in a mostly white world.[/QUOTE]

I don't see that much difference in the scales. people hate me sometimes. As long as you aren't limiting my job opportunites or living conditions I could care less if someone hates me. I recently bought a residential property and am renting it out. This one lady I eventually was forced to evict, I know for a fact hated me by the end. Doesn't really affect me at all.

racism is only really impactful if it limits opportunities, and negatively affects a persons chances at success. Thats what we should work towards eliminating. there is always going to be trailer park hicks that hate minorities.

[QUOTE=Myth]No, everybody my age (29) and younger seems fine with it. However, I do notice that on my Facebook pics of me and her, I get less likes from cousins my age than I did when I was with another white person. I would say that tons of it is a generational problem, but it hasn't skipped my generation completely. I do think it will be less and less of a problem, just like it has become less and less of a problem over the decades already.[/QUOTE]

Racism is almost dead anyways. I have almost met zero young racists. mostly its old people who will die in like 20 years.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]@Mavsfan

Have you seen this video?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg[/url][/QUOTE]

Admittedly that video made me a sad. personally I would have tried to get some authorities to stop all 3. I hate thieves.

I am not denying that level of racism exists. But does that really limit anything except for black people what want to be bike thieves?

I dont think black people have that huge of disadvantage when the go out seeking employment nowadays is all I am saying. Racism in this country has gotten a lot better. On the scale I laid out, (which no one is using :( ) I thought racism was 60-75% gone, as far as its ability to impact the lives of non-whites. I didnt say 100%. There are always going to be idiot racists, I am just saying they are powerless nowadays. I know people in my personal life that hate me, exs, tenants, 1 former co-worker. Doesn't affect me because they have no power over me. They can't prevent me from living where I like, and I dont think they have the ability to affect my financial prospects

Its like I had a black doctor and dentist back when I lived in dallas, I never thought any less of them than I would have a white doctor or dentist. I don't think most white people nowadays would either.

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Maybe its because I have never had to deal with something like that but I don't think something like that would affect me that much.

The thing with the parking space sucks and the cops suck, but do they really affect your life in the big scheme of things? did it prevent you from getting a job? did it prevent you from living your life? I have had people block parking spaces before, I just go find another most of the time.



i honestly don't think racism is a huge factor in america. I am not saying there aren't a lot of racists in this country. Of course there are. There are probably a bunch of child molesters, rapists, criminals, thieves, gang members, serial killers, etc. It doesn't define america.

Racism defined america pre 1980s. I think there were a lot of talented black people then that were denied jobs in corporate america because of their race. Based on my personal experience nowadays workplaces try not to look too white and male. They will spend effort to try to project diversity. Have had my bosses ask me to recommend someone and strongly hinted that they didn't want a white male. I just don't think people fail or succeed predominantly today because of their race.

We elected an african american president when african americans are only 12-13 percent of the population. At the very least the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist enough that they wont accept a black man as their president. Also I don't think everyone that voted against obama did it for racial reasons.

Just my personal experience but every racist white person i have met or known has either been old (50+) and/or been a total loser trailer park white trash with zero ability to actually negatively influence a non-white persons life. I tend to think most of these people will be dead in 20 years.[/QUOTE]


I respectfully disagree..

I know cops that are racist.. I know people who are CEOs of banks and other companies that have no nice feelings about black people..Like I said, my wife has bosses at her job job who have said racist things (and even sexist things).. Nothing prevents these people from firing her for even being married to a black person.. some white people dont like that sh*t ....

If you look at board of housing complaints? racism is still a big issue.

If you have ever seen the studies where people use black sounding names?

[url]http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html[/url]

its still there...

these people who feel this way arent just some old red necks living in a barn somewhere..

j/s

Victim mentality.

[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]myf, u dippin in dat chocolate mang? :pimp:[/QUOTE]

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Being black is tough. I feel like a lot of people Harbor racist mentalities but are cordial in person. The older I get the more disassociate with white people who are blissfully unaware of how different things are on the other side of the value chart .

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Racism is almost dead anyways. I have almost met zero young racists. mostly its old people who will die in like 20 years.[/QUOTE]

Oh, they are out there. There are people from my high school that I keep on Facebook simply as a way to stay grounded in the f*cked up views some people have. The Zimmerman trial brought out a bunch of racists (as did Obama's elections) from small town Oregon. I can only imagine the south.

Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

White privilege on full display.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE[/URL]

[QUOTE=Myth]What do you think you were discriminated against for?[/QUOTE]

The store incident for looking like some punk white teen probably thought I was a shoplifter. I didn't steal anything tho.

Second time I had longer hair, maybe the cop thought I was a pothead or druggie. Again the cop was wrong.

I also had an older lady tell me after i entered the garage that in america we don't drive fast. This might be a generational bias with a splash of xenophobia

Regardless I do think there is a discrimination towards black people. People will avoid a group of young black kids dressing thuggish or avoid black areas. White people will make assumptions about black people. This stuff is part of human nature imo. Black people and all sorts of other people make similar generalizations and act on them.

Now with that said I don't think country is "racist." Racism, IMO, is people of power using prejudicism to further their goals. I don't think the government specifically targets black people and undermines them and I don't think the government specifically gives more privileges to white people. Such was the case 50 years ago but not today. If you want to argue it's done more subtle way then maybe i can see your point.

IMO the discrimination what black people complain about today is due to economics. People of higher economic class has more access to the state and to use it's resources. They go to better schools because they can afford it. When they get in trouble with the law they hire lawyers. They vote and contribute to politicians that further their goals. These are just some basic examples. Since black people on average are significantly poorer than their white counterparts they do not participate in the state, do not get the same benefits from the state and so forth.

Point being a wealthy black person and a wealthy white person are treated the same by the state. A poor white person is discriminated more than a rich black person and vice versa.

[QUOTE=50_40_90_]Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

White privilege on full display.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE[/URL][/QUOTE]


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[QUOTE=50_40_90_]Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

White privilege on full display.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE[/URL][/QUOTE]

Yeah, and you will find this in all high level careers. Will you find black people in those positions? Yes, but it is considerably lower than the ratio in the population.

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Point being a wealthy black person and a wealthy white person are treated the same by the state. [B]A poor white person is discriminated more than a rich black person and vice versa[/B].[/QUOTE]

I won't get into each point you made since your post was so long and I'm lazy, but I agree with the statement that it is more subtle. I also agree that "the state" is pretty good about equality. That is one thing our government doesn't get enough credit for when people constantly rip into it. But I'm referring to our society, not the government (with the exception of law enforcement, that is still pretty damn racist).

As for the part I quoted, yes a poor white person is discriminated more than a rich black person, but a poor black person is discriminated against more than a poor white person in our society.

[QUOTE=50_40_90_]Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

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It's not weak it's smart. It's a no win situation for many people (Black and white), he says one thing he pisses off a bunch of people, he says something else he pisses off a bunch of people.

Fact is the general public isn't mature enough to have this discussion, too many people get too butt hurt. It's not worth ruining your career over.

He's in the business of making movies that rely on the public's support to be successful. Better to take the high road and not piss off anybody, just make movies and leave the social discussions for others.

[QUOTE=daily]It's not weak it's smart. It's a no win situation for many people (Black and white), he says one thing he pisses off a bunch of people, he says something else he pisses off a bunch of people.

Fact is the general public isn't mature enough to have this discussion, too many people get too butt hurt. It's not worth ruining your career over.

He's in the business of making movies that rely on the public's support to be successful. Better to take the high road and not piss off anybody, just make movies and leave the social discussions for others.[/QUOTE]


In your view, why do you think directors are not hiring black or latino actors in lead roles? Why do you think there is a lack of woman and minority directors being hired to do feature films?

All I know is all this idiot talk about reparations going on still pisses me off!

My family came here 100 years ago from Siberia on one half and Cuba on the other half, they had nothing to do with the slave trade, but would my tax paying money go to reparations because of the color of my skin? How is the very idea of reparations not insanely racist?


The longer people continue to segregate themselves by making "white boy" jokes and talking about "black history" and all this stuff, the longer racism will continue in America.

Why not just fully integrate black history in to American history, and teach kids growing up that we are all Americans and one people? All of these segregationist things do is continue to lead to a racial divide.


In London there is basically 0 anti-black racism, how come if London can do it America can't?

There is still alot of racism though, mostly directed toward muslims and pakistanis. HOWEVER there is 0 black vs white racism like I constantly experienced growing up in LA.

[QUOTE=Heilige]In your view, why do you think directors are not hiring black or latino actors in lead roles? Why do you think there is a lack of woman and minority directors being hired to do feature films?[/QUOTE]
There are loads of black actors in leading roles. As for latino, I don't know why, that is still a big problem. Also there is a huge lack of asian actors in lead roles who aren't kung fu stars.

I don't like that shit either.

But at the same time I dont like how CBS and NBC are so obviously PC that every time a doctor or surgeon shows up it is nearly always a black woman. Have some variation!

Overt political correctness offends me.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I[/URL]

Just interesting to see the language that the people use in their reasoning.

Also I read a study that was done that found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired for a job than black applicants with a criminal background. But wait there's more, the same study found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired than black job applicants with NO criminal background :wtf: that shit literally blew my mind

[QUOTE=longtime lurker][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I[/URL]

Just interesting to see the language that the people use in their reasoning.

Also I read a study that was done that found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired for a job than black applicants with a criminal background. But wait there's more, the same study found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired than black job applicants with NO criminal background :wtf: that shit literally blew my mind[/QUOTE]

Crazy videos. Anyone that doesn't think racism exists is fooling themselves.

That said, I had to lol @ the propaganda. :oldlol: The black kids are dressed in hoodies and baggy pants, and the white kids were wearing "normal" fitted clothing.

may seem small, but its one of my major gripes with racism, and its to due with youth, not the old racist we often give all of America's racism credit to. to any black posters (or posters who can't pass for white in any way), but doesn't it annoy you sometime when a girl clearly is into you, may even sleep with you, but she will not give you a chance to have a relationship because you're black. and this will be just about the only racist thing you've ever seen of this person, but they just can't bring themselves to attract whatever questions and attention come with dating a black person. or because they simply grew up only ever dreaming and admiring non-black men, that their brain can't even begin to reach the idea that a black man can be their ideal guy. its ****in bananas. this is why i can't watch much tv/movies anymore, i get so ****in fed up with every important/main/popular character being white. because i know that while this seems harmless to most, i see it as further feeding people (stupid people) the idea that this is what their real world should reflect. white as the leading desired preference.

this really frustrates me. its unfortunate that due to my personality, i don't find myself as attracted to the average black woman i encounter, purely on a personality/chemistry basis, not physical. (i'm in SoCal/LA btw) i think its more an education thing, because i can say the same thing for some of the less educated white/latina women i've come across. the best part about all this...i've even come across educated/smart/cool black women....who will not ****in give a black guy a chance, they only want to date white men.

at this point i'm ready to commit to marrying a foreign woman who is really into me and i know she'll forever be loyal, make a great house wife, and be a quality mother. as opposed to hoping i'd find my soul mate or whatever. i just can't imagine it happening for me as a black man with a very different personality than what a lot of the world often assumes about black american men.

i would say it's region specific

in a more diverse region racism is probably a lot less than a region that is dominated by single or a few races

[QUOTE=Immortal Bum]may seem small, but its one of my major gripes with racism, and its to due with youth, not the old racist we often give all of America's racism credit to. to any black posters (or posters who can't pass for white in any way), but doesn't it annoy you sometime when a girl clearly is into you, may even sleep with you, but she will not give you a chance to have a relationship because you're black. and this will be just about the only racist thing you've ever seen of this person, but they just can't bring themselves to attract whatever questions and attention come with dating a black person. or because they simply grew up only ever dreaming and admiring non-black men, that their brain can't even begin to reach the idea that a black man can be their ideal guy. its ****in bananas. this is why i can't watch much tv/movies anymore, i get so ****in fed up with every important/main/popular character being white. because i know that while this seems harmless to most, i see it as further feeding people (stupid people) the idea that this is what their real world should reflect. white as the leading desired preference.

this really frustrates me. its unfortunate that due to my personality, i don't find myself as attracted to the average black woman i encounter, purely on a personality/chemistry basis, not physical. (i'm in SoCal/LA btw) i think its more an education thing, because i can say the same thing for some of the less educated white/latina women i've come across. the best part about all this...i've even come across educated/smart/cool black women....who will not ****in give a black guy a chance, they only want to date white men.

at this point i'm ready to commit to marrying a foreign woman who is really into me and i know she'll forever be loyal, make a great house wife, and be a quality mother. as opposed to hoping i'd find my soul mate or whatever. i just can't imagine it happening for me as a black man with a very different personality than what a lot of the world often assumes about black american men.[/QUOTE]


I hear ya.. I learned that you dont really want a female who isnt willing to be your woman and show that to the public.. Whether it is because of her parents or her friends? doesnt matter, she doesnt have the courage or the fortitude to actually be in a relationship with you... Just enjoy the p*ssy and let the bird fly away when it over. You need a woman with character and those women dont have it :confusedshrug: .. Black women who care more about your pocket than you are same... They arent high character females.. They are looking for a rich dude to coddle them forever.. I tell women all the time.. "nothing is free".. If you marry a rich dude? you'll have money, but it will cost you something else.. You'll pay the price regardless...

Those women are doing you a favor when they act like you arent good enough, or that they cant handle society's reaction to them dating a black guy.. They cant handle it.. so just enjoy the moments when you blow her back out and move on... there are some serious females out there (of all races) and they will love you and ride with you till kingdom come.. They wont care who doesnt like it.. and it wont be about money either..

just be you and let your good qualities shine, and the chick who really loves you will hold on to you because of it

:cheers:

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I hear ya.. I learned that you dont really want a female who isnt willing to be your woman and show that to the public.. Whether it is because of her parents or her friends? doesnt matter, she doesnt have the courage or the fortitude to actually be in a relationship with you... Just enjoy the p*ssy and let the bird fly away when it over. You need a woman with character and those women dont have it :confusedshrug: .. Black women who care more about your pocket than you are same... They arent high character females.. They are looking for a rich dude to coddle them forever.. I tell women all the time.. "nothing is free".. If you marry a rich dude? you'll have money, but it will cost you something else.. You'll pay the price regardless...

Those women are doing you a favor when they act like you arent good enough, or that they cant handle society's reaction to them dating a black guy.. They cant handle it.. so just enjoy the moments when you blow her back out and move on... there are some serious females out there (of all races) and they will love you and ride with you till kingdom come.. They wont care who doesnt like it.. and it wont be about money either..

just be you and let your good qualities shine, and the chick who really loves you will hold on to you because of it

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

i hear you, brother. well said.

racism is the result of us forgetting who our family is. sometimes you hate your family and can't stand to hear or see them. but even in all that disgust, you never let anyone get away with messing with your family. no one mess with family is the ultimate rule of life. but somewhere along the way we forgot that skin tone and geography didn't dictate who our family consist of. its that ignorance that has allowed others to further push us away from our family, to the point of family being only those in one's economic bracket; further isolating the individual to the point of not feeling connected to anyone at all.