09 Lebron vs 03 Kobe bryant

[QUOTE=secund2nun]Lebron by miles. To compare Lebron to such a inferior player like Kobe is a disgrace. Pre-prime 09 Lebron lead a cast of trash to 66 wins and the ECF and had already led trash to the finals 2 years before, while PRIME Kobe could not even win a single playoff series in the 3 seasons he had without a HOF big man, going first round KO as a 7th seed twice and missing the playoffs the other time....and you want to compare pre-prime Kobe to pre-prime Lebron despite pre-prime Lebron being way better than even PRIME Kobe???[/QUOTE]
if kobe plays in leastern conference,he will be in finals every year

LeBron was unreal that year

[QUOTE=secund2nun]I'd say a low seed, probable 1st round loss...the typical prime Kobe results when he doesn't have a future HOFer on his squad.[/QUOTE]

kobe will be in finals every year :banana:

[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]LeBron was unreal that year[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]LeBron was unreal that year[/QUOTE]
weak East against tough West

Kobe win :applause:

Lebron. Not close.

09 Wade > 03 Kobe and I fully, without irony, believe that.

Lebron was ridiculous that year in both the regular season and the playoffs.

I would say Lebron had a better season.

However, for those of you arguing that Lebron performs well against the West and Kobe performs poorly against the East... you're pretty ill informed.

Lebron's Finals stats:
(4 NBA Finals

08 Kobe is a better comparison

[QUOTE=chazzy]08 Kobe is a better comparison[/QUOTE]

Individually? Absolutely not.

LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 are in all sincerity better than any of Kobe's best seasons. Both regular season, and playoffs. It's just being honest.

Under similar context as team leader, best player for their franchise ... the only ones you can use to compare to LeBron's best seasons are Kobe's 2003, 2008, 2009, and 2010.

Kobe's impressive scoring seasons in 2003, 2006, and 2007 are not significantly better than LeBron's 2006, and 2008.

And that's no significant knock on Kobe, those are all-time great regular seasons, and in 2009 / 2012's case great playoff runs.

[QUOTE=moe94]Individually? Absolutely not.[/QUOTE]
Performed better in the playoffs. 03 Kobe was hurt though

[QUOTE=chazzy]Performed better in the playoffs. 03 Kobe was hurt though[/QUOTE]
Too much upper body weight gain in the off season. The start of his knee problems. His lower body couldn't handle that suspect 15 lb muscle gained he put on in like 2 months.

Kobe's best individual seasons: 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2008.
LeBron's best individual seasons: 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013.

Kobe's 2008 is better than LeBron's 2013. That's probably about it. What other one has an honest argument for being better than any of those other seasons from LeBron?

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe's 2008 is better than LeBron's 2013. [/QUOTE]

Not even remotely close. :facepalm

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 are in all sincerity better than any of Kobe's best seasons. Both regular season, and playoffs. It's just being honest.

Under similar context as team leader, best player for their franchise ... the only ones you can use to compare to LeBron's best seasons are Kobe's 2003, 2008, 2009, and 2010.

Kobe's impressive scoring seasons in 2003, 2006, and 2007 are not significantly better than LeBron's 2006, and 2008.

And that's no significant knock on Kobe, those are all-time great regular seasons, and in 2009 / 2012's case great playoff runs.[/QUOTE]
This pretty much sums it up. I got nothing against Kobe, Lebron is just better.

[QUOTE=moe94]Not even remotely close. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I know, Kobe's 2008 is just flat out significantly better than LeBron's 2013 run. Upon reflection and further examination. LeBron's 2013 regular season was ridiculous. His 2013 playoffs were at times kind of pathetic.

LeBron played underwhelming the entire playoff run in the East. I think his playoff numbers were actually below his regular season averages. His FG% certainly dipped big time. No more cherry picked opportunities.

LeBron played below average against atrocious competition. And then played mediocre at best ball through the first 6 1/2 games of the Finals.

Scared to shoot wide open jumpers? Fans jumping off his bandwagon during the critical moments of the series? You have got to be kidding me.

That 2008 Celtics team and defense is way better than the 2013 Spurs. Not even close. Kobe was swarmed by prime James Posey, Tony Allen, Paul Pierce and shaded with prime Garnett. All while his sidekick cowered in fear from KG.

Meanwhile Wade literally won Miami a game on the road in San Antonio with his take over abilities.

How dumb can you be?

Kobe plastered a 2008 Spurs, which is basically a superior version of the 2013 team. With a better, younger trio of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. And they defended Kobe with an great on ball defender, Bruce Bowen. They actually played defense on Kobe.

They didn't sag off, dare his manhood and skills to shoot wide open jumpers. Stop.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Too much upper body weight gain in the off season. The start of his knee problems. His lower body couldn't handle that suspect 15 lb muscle gained he put on in like 2 months.

Kobe's best individual seasons: 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2008.
LeBron's best individual seasons: 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013.

[B]Kobe's 2008 is better than LeBron's 2013.[/B] That's probably about it. What other one has an honest argument for being better than any of those other seasons from LeBron?[/QUOTE]
lol.. everybody knows the ONLY reason you're saying this is because Bron shot a historically high efficiency that year and if he keeps it up shooting near 60%FG and 70TS he will be considered better than Michael Jordan.. thus your attempt to downplay it in comparison to Kobe so it is untouchable in comparison to your gawd.


Lebron;s season pre-2009/2008ish were not better than Kobe's because at that point in his career Lebron had yet to become great on the defensive side of the ball. At the very end of his Cavs tenure and going into Miami especially his defense became elite, before that it wasnt at all.

Kobe 2003, 2001, 2008 are all better than Bron 06, 08 and anything else before 09 because he was a legitamate two way player, clutch as hell in the playoffs, and put up dominant numbers in a more physical and tougher defensive era.




09 Bron is easily better than 03 Kobe.. that was probably Lebron's best year ever aside from what hes doing right now and 03 Kobe wasnt even the best version of Kobe.

[QUOTE=tpols]thus your attempt to downplay it in comparison to Kobe so it is untouchable in comparison to your gawd.[/quote]
Your gawd is Kobe. You have a rooting interest in this comparison. I'm being pretty un-biased.

I will give you that 2003 era defenses were more physical, and that does give insight into some better perspective of scoring numbers.

With that said 2006, and 2007 were insanely soft, giving way to ridiculous amounts of free throw calls.

In 2008, refs calmed down on the over protective calls on the perimeter. LeBron won scoring title that season with 30 ppg. Kobe hasn't averaged 30 ppg or above since 2008.

[quote=tpols]03 Kobe wasnt even the best version of Kobe.[/QUOTE]
What is ... because I'm often torn. 2001 Kobe for playing great, consistent defense, and not as selfish. 2003? 2006? 2008?

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I know, Kobe's 2008 is just flat out significantly better than LeBron's 2013 run. [/QUOTE]

Kobe: 28/6/4 on 46%....playoffs: 30/5/4 on 46% shooting

LeBron: 27/8/7 on 56%....playoffs: 26/8/6.6 on 49% shooting

Kobe is clearly better! :oldlol:

[QUOTE=moe94]Kobe: 28/6/4 on 46%....playoffs: 30/5/4 on 46% shooting

LeBron: 27/8/7 on 56%....playoffs: 26/8/6.6 on 49% shooting

Kobe is clearly better! :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Competition faced. Context. Learn them.

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]This pretty much sums it up. I got nothing against Kobe, Lebron is just better.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if this will make sense to you, but to me, it's easier to make the game hard for Kobe but harder to shut him down. For Lebron, it's harder to make the game hard for him but easier to shut him down.

Good teams with good defensive coaches have consistently been able to shut down (contain) Lebron as long as their players stick to the game plan and are able to execute it.

There's only so much you can do against Kobe however. You can force him into taking tough shots, but he's still taking them and coming hard at your team.

Lebron was ridiculous that year in both the regular season and the playoffs.

I would say Lebron had a better season.

However, for those of you arguing that Lebron performs well against the West and Kobe performs poorly against the East... you're pretty ill informed.

Lebron's Finals stats:
(4 NBA Finals

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Competition faced. Context. Learn them.[/QUOTE]

Most retarded excuse I've ever heard in my life. Shaq's run means nothing. Hakeem's run means nothing. Jordan's championships mean nothing. Wilt is a joke. :sleeping

[QUOTE=moe94]Most retarded excuse I've ever heard in my life. Shaq's run means nothing. Hakeem's run means nothing. Jordan's championships mean nothing. Wilt is a joke. :sleeping[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that it's a joke of a championship or run. I think 2008 Kobe's run is better. That's all. LeBron's 2013 playoffs was totally underwhelming considering the hype he built up during the regular season.

How can you not admit that? Are you that stubborn, or just delusional?

Your retarded denial of the fact that I acknowledged entirely LeBron > Kobe. I said the vast majority of LeBron's best seasons are better than Kobe's best seasons.

So, per me: LeBron > Kobe.

Which makes LeBron's short comings in the 2013 playoffs, and Finals all the more glaring when compared to his: 2012 playoffs, 2012 Finals, and 2013 regular season.

Nope, not from moe94. Deny, deny, deny. 2008 Celtics > 2013 Spurs. LeBron's Heat faced 3x sub 50 win teams in the conference playoffs for christ sakes.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Your gawd is Kobe. You have a rooting interest in this comparison. [B]I'm being pretty un-biased. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have a rooting interest.. yet I somehow completely side with bron here lol



[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]
I will give you that 2003 era defenses were more physical, and that does give insight into some better perspective of scoring numbers.

With that said 2006, and 2007 were insanely soft, giving way to ridiculous amounts of free throw calls.
[B]
In 2008, refs calmed down on the over protective calls on the perimeter. LeBron won scoring title that season with 30 ppg. Kobe hasn't averaged 30 ppg or above since 2008.[/B]


What is ... because I'm often torn. 2001 Kobe for playing great, consistent defense, and not as selfish. 2003? 2006? 2008?[/QUOTE]
And in 2008 Kobe only took 20 shots per game as compared to 27 at his peak in 2006 because his team improved in strength and it was no longer necessary for him to shoot as much.

Lebron took 2 more shots to score 2 more points and had lower overall efficiency than Kobe did that year...



2001 and 2008 Kobe are the best versions of Kobe imo.. He was one of the best offensive players in the league.. second behind peak shaq and even had advanced statistics on par with him in the playoffs. And at the same time one of the best defensive perimeter players in the league.. especially in 08 when he was the vocal defensive leader on a top 5 defensive team in the entire league.


Now that I re-read a few of your posts they dont follow each other.. Like you saoid Lebron's 08, 09, 10, 12, and 13 seasons are all tops anything Kobe ever did.

But then you say 08 Kobe>13 Bron.. like wtf.:oldlol: How can that be when Bron's 13 is arguably better than all of his other seasons besides maybe 09. Makes no sense..

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I didn't say that it's a joke of a championship or run. I think 2008 Kobe's run is better. That's all. LeBron's 2013 playoffs was totally underwhelming considering the hype he built up during the regular season. .[/QUOTE]

But Kobe's 2008 Finals was horrific, so exactly what are you arguing? :coleman:

[QUOTE=moe94]But Kobe's 2008 Finals was horrific, so exactly what are you arguing? :coleman:[/QUOTE]
Kobe faced a way better team in the Finals. Faced better teams in his conference rounds, too. In the Finals he faced an all-time great team, and defense. With help that played significantly worse than LeBron's supporting cast. Yea?

:facepalm

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]excuses excuses excuses[/QUOTE]

You're talking directly out of your ass and giving him every excuse in the book, while ignoring everything else. To say 2008 Kobe is clearly better than last year's LeBron is the most retarded statement uttered in this thread. Period.

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]kobe..........

and lebron played in weak east,and it is not even close[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]weak east[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]weak east[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]if kobe plays in leastern conference,he will be in finals every year[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]kobe will be in finals every year :banana:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]weak East against tough West

Kobe win :applause:[/QUOTE]


Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=KG215]Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]

And that was all from just one page. :facepalm

[QUOTE=9erempiree]I'm going with Kobe.

The only argument people bring up to say Lebron is better than Kobe is that regular season record. Which is a team record.[/QUOTE]

I saw your avatar, saw that it was 9ereempiree, read your first sentence and then just laughed. Who else

Who had a better season? 2nd year Kobe or Lebron?

[QUOTE=Chrono90]Kobe had a great year. Kobe.[/QUOTE]

I'm listening to a Chrono Trigger video as I read this thread.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Sp62q2FAY[/url]

[QUOTE=KG215]Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]
He got you riled up, though.

[QUOTE=tpols]Now that I re-read a few of your posts they dont follow each other.. Like you saoid Lebron's 08, 09, 10, 12, and 13 seasons are all tops anything Kobe ever did.[/quote]
I meant in totality. A sum of their works. I'd say Kobe's best seasons are 2001, 2003, 2008. I definitely think LeBron's pre-prime 2006, and 2008 can compete with Kobe's 2003, 2006, and 2007 while IN his prime. LeBron's best seasons combined are better than Kobe's best seasons combined.

[quote=tpols]But then you say 08 Kobe>13 Bron.. like wtf.:oldlol: How can that be when Bron's 13 is arguably better than all of his other seasons besides maybe 09. Makes no sense..[/QUOTE]
I said Kobe's 2008 playoff run is better. LeBron's 2013 regular season was better than 2008 Kobe's regular season. But when it came to the playoffs, and Finals ... he was very underwhelming. Where as Kobe really impressed me in his 2008 run. It was clearly better than his 2x previous seasons as leader, where he too was underwhelming in comparison to his regular seasons.

LeBron's seasons, much like Kobe didn't always put together the entire package. LeBron's 2009 is probably his best season in totality. Like regular season and post season performance. 2012 regular season wasn't his best, but it's the only post season comparable with his 2009 in terms of quality. His 2013 is his best regular season alongside 2009, and 2010. But like 2010, his playoffs were disappointing.

Am I beginning to clear things up for you now? It sounds confusing, but it really isn't. Kobe had impressive 2006, and 2007 seasons. But weak playoff runs. Kobe's 2009, and 2010 regular season were great regular seasons, but definitely weren't as good as LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 regular seasons.

[QUOTE=KOBE143]To be fair, LeBron 09 season was pretty impressive but Kobe 03 is still far better and its not even close.. Most of LeBron stats came from statspadding against weak team = not legit/not impressive while Kobe came from hardwork = impressive/legendary/legit and its against competitive team..[/QUOTE]


:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol

[QUOTE=KG215]Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]

I said the TRUTH,EAST IS JUST TOO WEAK :oldlol:

Any of LeBron's MVP seasons > any of Kobe's seasons.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Any of LeBron's MVP seasons > any of Kobe's seasons.[/QUOTE]

weak east :roll:

The 10 best seasons between the 2...

1.) 2012 Lebron
[B]2.) 2009 Lebron[/B]
3.) 2013 Lebron
4.) 2010 Lebron
5.) 2006 Kobe
6.) 2008 Lebron
7.) 2006 Lebron
8.) 2001 Kobe
9.) 2007 Kobe
[B]10.) 2003 Kobe [/B]

[QUOTE=Greg Oden 50]weak east[/QUOTE]

weak knees

[QUOTE=AintNoSunshine]weak knees[/QUOTE]
Leave Wade out of this

[QUOTE=chazzy]Leave Wade out of this[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: