Jabari Parker will emerge as the best ... according to Mike Wilbon

[QUOTE=JellyBean]Wow this dude is off the charts good. holy smokes[/QUOTE]
He has to be. This is the dumbest Duke team I can remember.

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]He has to be. This is the dumbest Duke team I can remember.[/QUOTE]

Yeah they made some really unDuke like plays this game as well as other games this season.

[QUOTE=noob cake]Duke guards literally can't play defense this year. Parker will have to will Duke to wins this year.[/QUOTE]
They also seemingly don't have anyone over 6'8 who isn't a complete stiff. With the new rule changes, perimeter defense will be neutered and overall defense will be more about interior D and shotblocking like in the NBA. Duke has none of that this yaer.

[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]They also seemingly don't have anyone over 6'8 who isn't a complete stiff. With the new rule changes, perimeter defense will be neutered and overall defense will be more about interior D and shotblocking like in the NBA. Duke has none of that this yaer.[/QUOTE]

its even worst than the NBA. The defender is entitled to basically 0 space. no longer a rule of verticality. Plus, the removal of the arm bar in the post is also absurd. They really lowered the quality of basketball imo.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]its even worst than the NBA. The defender is entitled to basically 0 space. no longer a rule of verticality. Plus, the removal of the arm bar in the post is also absurd. They really lowered the quality of basketball imo.[/QUOTE]

NCAA post defense is dead. Close games are practically being played with Kevin Durant style touch fouls now.

i agree that parker can be relied on as the focal point of offense.. but in a draft what do you really value production or potential .. we have seen alot of potential that didnt pan out ... Ie Green, Miles, Darko etc...

there were potentials alone that got snubbed and alot were quite jealous of what the outcome is. George, Cousins, Drummond,

there are those who prove that production can easily translate to nba .. Lilard , Broy,...

But you have to understand both randle and parker needs to be this good in order for them to win ...

this is not a knock on wiggins but that kansas team may have been a little under valued ... Ellis, Embid and Black is a freaking front court to have.. then there is Selden and White III .. As i have stated before even without wiggins this kansas team would still be a part of march madness... and maybe even more..

Without parker that duke team would be a joke sorry but that is the reality..
Without randle sure there might be other guys that would step up from time to time but they (parker and randle) need to be consistent for their team to win.

If wiggins would have chosen FSU we might not even have this argument...

[QUOTE=veilside23]i agree that parker can be relied on as the focal point of offense.. but in a draft what do you really value production or potential .. we have seen alot of potential that didnt pan out ... Ie Green, Miles, Darko etc...

there were potentials alone that got snubbed and alot were quite jealous of what the outcome is. George, Cousins, Drummond,

there are those who prove that production can easily translate to nba .. Lilard , Broy,...

But you have to understand both randle and parker needs to be this good in order for them to win ...

this is not a knock on wiggins but that kansas team may have been a little under valued ... Ellis, Embid and Black is a freaking front court to have.. then there is Selden and White III .. As i have stated before even without wiggins this kansas team would still be a part of march madness... and maybe even more..

Without parker that duke team would be a joke sorry but that is the reality..
Without randle sure there might be other guys that would step up from time to time but they (parker and randle) need to be consistent for their team to win.

If wiggins would have chosen FSU we might not even have this argument...[/QUOTE]

If Wiggins had chosen FSU, he'd be putting up monster numbers. Bill Self has made it his mission to keep this kid humble, he said in the preseason he wasn't the best player in practice and he has been limiting his playing time and touches. I think in the long run this is the best motive, but the over-keen talking heads will twist and turn it every way they see fit.

As the season goes on we will see more and more Wiggins as he will slowly roll him out.

The Melo/T-Mac stuff is very apt, Parker is a stone-baller with silky skills while Wiggins is a human pogo who seems to be able to turn it on and out athlete better skilled players when the game is one the line (like the Nov. 12 game against Duke). I like Wiggins when push comes to shove, in a head to head game or in potential.

Regarding Randle, he could either be Zach Randolph or Jared Sullinger, the book is not yet written with him.

[QUOTE=Ass Dan]If Wiggins had chosen FSU, he'd be putting up monster numbers. Bill Self has made it his mission to keep this kid humble, he said in the preseason he wasn't the best player in practice and he has been limiting his playing time and touches. I think in the long run this is the best motive, but the over-keen talking heads will twist and turn it every way they see fit.

As the season goes on we will see more and more Wiggins as he will slowly roll him out.

The Melo/T-Mac stuff is very apt, Parker is a stone-baller with silky skills while Wiggins is a human pogo who seems to be able to turn it on and out athlete better skilled players when the game is one the line (like the Nov. 12 game against Duke). I like Wiggins when push comes to shove, in a head to head game or in potential.

Regarding Randle, he could either be Zach Randolph or Jared Sullinger, the book is not yet written with him.[/QUOTE]


Great article on the greatness of Parker:

[url]http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24293106/jabari-parker-puts-on-first-of-likely-many-great-performances-at-msg[/url]

Regarding Parker's defense, an NBA assistant, who has always felt Parker was the best talent over Randle, Wiggins, etc. said:

"I watched him (Parker) guard Kevin Durant for four straight days at Nike Skills Academy. Ask anybody what he did that week. He was ridiculous." :bowdown:

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Great article on the greatness of Parker:

[url]http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24293106/jabari-parker-puts-on-first-of-likely-many-great-performances-at-msg[/url]

Regarding Parker's defense, an NBA assistant, who has always felt Parker was the best talent over Randle, Wiggins, etc. said:

"I watched him (Parker) guard Kevin Durant for four straight days at Nike Skills Academy. Ask anybody what he did that week. He was ridiculous." :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Seems like a good defender to me. Has really good anticipation and understands how to play angles and use his length.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Seems like a good defender to me. Has really good anticipation and understands how to play angles and use his length.[/QUOTE]


parker is a good defender but his defense is not better than wiggins...

What is it that leads you to believe that? Is it the 6 blocks Parker had against East Carolina?

Parker HAS 3 TIMES as many blocks per game, just as many steals per game, and held his own one on one against KD at his camp.

You're gonna say his quickness, fast twitch, whatever.
Y'all can just throw out these Andrew Wiggins opinions, but there is no statistical evidence to back them, and defense is the one area where he is actually close to Parker.



Listen up, and listen good: Jabari Parker has always been, is right now, and will always be better than the media fabrication of Wiggins. Wiggins is stiff as hell. Almost zero aura on the court.
That doesn't just leave when you get older as much as Wiggins fanboys point to some mythical future.

Jabari Parker is the truth.


From the link below to end the article:
"But they’re still not the same as Parker, because Parker can do everything.
There's not very much this guy can't do, but one thing he is doing is redefining college basketball.What do you think?
Watch while you can, because there will not be another player like Jabari Parker to grace the game for a long time."
[url]http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2013/11/28/jabari-parker-experience[/url]

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]What is it that leads you to believe that? Is it the 6 blocks Parker had against East Carolina?

Parker HAS 3 TIMES as many blocks per game, just as many steals per game, and held his own one on one against KD at his camp.

You're gonna say his quickness, fast twitch, whatever.
Y'all can just throw out these Andrew Wiggins opinions, but there is no statistical evidence to back them, and defense is the one area where he is actually close to Parker.



Listen up, and listen good: Jabari Parker has always been, is right now, and will always be better than the media fabrication of Wiggins. Wiggins is stiff as hell. Almost zero aura on the court.
That doesn't just leave when you get older as much as Wiggins fanboys point to some mythical future.

Jabari Parker is the truth.


From the link below to end the article:
"But they’re still not the same as Parker, because Parker can do everything.
There's not very much this guy can't do, but one thing he is doing is redefining college basketball.What do you think?
Watch while you can, because there will not be another player like Jabari Parker to grace the game for a long time."
[url]http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2013/11/28/jabari-parker-experience[/url][/QUOTE]


lets just wait once they get to the nba..

and you are wrong paul pierce is the truth

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]What is it that leads you to believe that? Is it the 6 blocks Parker had against East Carolina?

Parker HAS 3 TIMES as many blocks per game, just as many steals per game, and held his own one on one against KD at his camp.

You're gonna say his quickness, fast twitch, whatever.
Y'all can just throw out these Andrew Wiggins opinions, but there is no statistical evidence to back them, and defense is the one area where he is actually close to Parker.



Listen up, and listen good: Jabari Parker has always been, is right now, and will always be better than the media fabrication of Wiggins. Wiggins is stiff as hell. Almost zero aura on the court.
That doesn't just leave when you get older as much as Wiggins fanboys point to some mythical future.

Jabari Parker is the truth.


From the link below to end the article:
"But they

"[B]He's probably, in my eight years as a head coach, the most talented freshman I've seen just from his size, his physicality and his skill level[/B]," Alabama coach Anthony Grant said of Parker. "He's able to make tough shots and free himself for the open shot and he's able to get himself to the free throw line. He's just a really, really talented player. They have got a lot of really good players around them, as well."

[url]http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400518034[/url]

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]What is it that leads you to believe that? Is it the 6 blocks Parker had against East Carolina?

Parker HAS 3 TIMES as many blocks per game, just as many steals per game, and held his own one on one against KD at his camp.

You're gonna say his quickness, fast twitch, whatever.
Y'all can just throw out these Andrew Wiggins opinions, but there is no statistical evidence to back them, and defense is the one area where he is actually close to Parker.



Listen up, and listen good: Jabari Parker has always been, is right now, and will always be better than the media fabrication of Wiggins. Wiggins is stiff as hell. Almost zero aura on the court.
That doesn't just leave when you get older as much as Wiggins fanboys point to some mythical future.

Jabari Parker is the truth.


From the link below to end the article:
"But they

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]I think what leads me to believe this was Wiggins absolutely shutting Parker out in the last five minutes of their game (where they went head to head finally) and Wiggins team taking a tie game and turning it into an 11 point win. Wiggins was having his way in the clutch, while Parker had run out of steam (well probably didn't run out of steam, but got shut down).

Wiggins is a much better defender, just go on youtube, there are also videos of him going head to head with Julius Randle and playing great D on a much thicker player.

Rebounding is really where Wiggins differentiates himself, his second jump might be the best ever, and he gets off the ground as quick as anyone ever has, this means a high volume of put backs, an ability to protect the rim from help side (a huge bonus to get this from a perimeter player) and when coupled with his length the ability to take rebounds away from players with better position.

Parker is an exceptional talent, and has a smoother, more well rounded game than Wiggins, this cannot be denied but he is more finished product, and while it is a nice product, Wiggins brings things to the table that make him great, with time to work on the skill set. His physical tools are so great that he can actually take over games (like he did against Duke and Parker) just by getting active.

Last night Wiggins had a big second half as well, this will be a common thing this season, Kansas is stacked, the first half will be spent sussing everything out, then Wiggins will close it out. But every game, it'll Perry and Wiggins, Selden and Wiggins, Embiid and Wiggins, there is a constant here, and that is the difference. Put him on Duke, he would need to score 25 a game like Parker is doing to keep them competitive, but on Kansas, he is there on both ends and making his teammates look great.[/QUOTE]

i was doing something during the second half and only caught bits and pieces but Wiggins wasn't guarding Parker? Are you saying that anyone that doesn't perform while Wiggins is on the court is shut down by him? I think Wiggins has a much higher ceiling but this ******gins is getting out of control. Parker's issue in the second half was that his guards went away from him because they are selfish and horrible players. He has to deal with that every game because they don't like it when Jabari goes off.

Oh and Wiggins isn't making anyone look great. And the idea that he could score 25 on the efficiency that Parker is doing is also just a guess. He had trouble creating his own offense even when defense isn't concentrating on him.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]i was doing something during the second half and only caught bits and pieces but Wiggins wasn't guarding Parker? Are you saying that anyone that doesn't perform while Wiggins is on the court is shut down by him? I think Wiggins has a much higher ceiling but this ******gins is getting out of control. Parker's issue in the second half was that his guards went away from him because they are selfish and horrible players. He has to deal with that every game because they don't like it when Jabari goes off.

Oh and Wiggins isn't making anyone look great. And the idea that he could score 25 on the efficiency that Parker is doing is also just a guess. He had trouble creating his own offense even when defense isn't concentrating on him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]i was doing something during the second half and only caught bits and pieces but Wiggins wasn't guarding Parker? Are you saying that anyone that doesn't perform while Wiggins is on the court is shut down by him? I think Wiggins has a much higher ceiling but this ******gins is getting out of control. Parker's issue in the second half was that his guards went away from him because they are selfish and horrible players. He has to deal with that every game because they don't like it when Jabari goes off.

Oh and Wiggins isn't making anyone look great. And the idea that he could score 25 on the efficiency that Parker is doing is also just a guess. He had trouble creating his own offense even when defense isn't concentrating on him.[/QUOTE]



Good post.

Listen I WANT Wiggins to be awesome, but he just looks stiff as hell to me. I took one look at him live at the McDonald's All America game and said THIS is the guy they're making such a big deal of? Looks stiff as hell.
I never said that about Bron, Kobe, Melo, Durant, Tmac, or many lesser players, or Jabari Parker for that matter.

Look at this vid:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GinULGhuItQ[/url]
He looks so stiff and just not IT. Even on his good plays this season, it's just not fluid at all. At all.
1:23, 1:51, 2:39, 4:12, 5:32
This fluidity doesn't just come, you either have it or you don't. There are a few cases where it magically came (aka Paul George), but it's the rare exception, not the norm at all.
I hope it happens. I want Wiggins to be great. But I'm not willing to project something that I don't see happening in his skill set.
You can get by on transition dunks, and good defense because you're athletic for so long, but you need SKILLS to be great in the NBA.

This guy however:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exiGtzX7SSg[/url]

Parker has been making jaw dropping plays like this all season.

It's the EYE test people. Parker is absolutely ridiculously skilled, and Wiggins, who I WANT to be good, just doesn't have it. Whatever it is, he doesn't have it.
He may have some tools to project into a great player, but it is pure speculation. [B]If the media never said anything to you about him, and you watched him this season, you'd just be like he's another good guy on Kansas.
[/B] And to me that is enough of statement.
But Parker, you'd be like, this is the second coming of a superstar we haven't seen for a few years.

How anyone can watch both of them play this season in total and not see how Parker outclasses Wiggins is beyond me.

The power of the media to create things, and have the public buy in is amazing.

I want Wiggins to be the real deal. I was as jacked as anyone with his maxtape, and excited for him to be the best thing since Lebron, or even just pretty spectacular, but I have seen nothing at Kansas to show it.

Parker on the other hand, is just CRAZY good. And more importantly crazy skilled. Something I don't see Wiggins ever being. I hope I'm wrong.

What's the comparisons to Lebron for Wiggins? Lebron as a junior in high school was already way more skilled than Wiggins is now :oldlol:

Wiggins plays defense because he's just so athletic he can sleep walk 2 blocks and a couple of steals but it's going to take him being dedicated to defense to be the beast he could be.

Parker already has a better natural feel for the game and could be a 17-18 ppg scorer in the NBA right now.

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Good post.

Listen I WANT Wiggins to be awesome, but he just looks stiff as hell to me. I took one look at him live at the McDonald's All America game and said THIS is the guy they're making such a big deal of? Looks stiff as hell.
I never said that about Bron, Kobe, Melo, Durant, Tmac, or many lesser players, or Jabari Parker for that matter.

Look at this vid:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GinULGhuItQ[/url]
He looks so stiff and just not IT. Even on his good plays this season, it's just not fluid at all. At all.
1:23, 1:51, 2:39, 4:12, 5:32
This fluidity doesn't just come, you either have it or you don't. There are a few cases where it magically came (aka Paul George), but it's the rare exception, not the norm at all.
I hope it happens. I want Wiggins to be great. But I'm not willing to project something that I don't see happening in his skill set.
You can get by on transition dunks, and good defense because you're athletic for so long, but you need SKILLS to be great in the NBA.

This guy however:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exiGtzX7SSg[/url]

Parker has been making jaw dropping plays like this all season.

It's the EYE test people. Parker is absolutely ridiculously skilled, and Wiggins, who I WANT to be good, just doesn't have it. Whatever it is, he doesn't have it.
He may have some tools to project into a great player, but it is pure speculation. [B]If the media never said anything to you about him, and you watched him this season, you'd just be like he's another good guy on Kansas.
[/B] And to me that is enough of statement.
But Parker, you'd be like, this is the second coming of a superstar we haven't seen for a few years.

How anyone can watch both of them play this season in total and not see how Parker outclasses Wiggins is beyond me.

The power of the media to create things, and have the public buy in is amazing.

I want Wiggins to be the real deal. I was as jacked as anyone with his maxtape, and excited for him to be the best thing since Lebron, or even just pretty spectacular, but I have seen nothing at Kansas to show it.

Parker on the other hand, is just CRAZY good. And more importantly crazy skilled. Something I don't see Wiggins ever being. I hope I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]


:lol


that vid didn't show anything. what were you trying to prove? if he wasn't on KU, he would be scoring just as much as Jabari if not more. if you had not watched KU's games with a huge bias against Wiggins and a huge boner for Parker you would realize this.



keep writing long winded paragraphs saying the same thing tho, maybe you'll convince somebody.

i just hope parker can take this team to atleast elite 8.....

[QUOTE=Goliath Uterus]:lol


[B]that vid didn't show anything. what were you trying to prove? [/B]if he wasn't on KU, he would be scoring just as much as Jabari if not more. if you had not watched KU's games with a huge bias against Wiggins and a huge boner for Parker you would realize this.



keep writing long winded paragraphs saying the same thing tho, maybe you'll convince somebody.[/QUOTE]


I was trying to prove and show just how stiff Wiggins is. Which he is. If you can't see it, you can't see it, what can I tell you. :facepalm

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]I was trying to prove and show just how stiff Wiggins is. Which he is. If you can't see it, you can't see it, what can I tell you. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


that was his first game at AFH, the loudest arena in college hoops. I couldn't give a fvck less if he was nervous and had a few bad plays. he's had 2 bad games and they've both been with a 100+ degree fever. if he keeps playing like this I'll concede, but I'm still pretty sure Wiggins is gonna be amazing.

Yay, looks like I ISH will be blessed with the college version of Kobe vs LeBron this season on the college board.

[QUOTE=Goliath Uterus]that was his first game at AFH, the loudest arena in college hoops. I couldn't give a fvck less if he was nervous and had a few bad plays. he's had 2 bad games and they've both been with a 100+ degree fever. if he keeps playing like this I'll concede, but I'm still pretty sure Wiggins is gonna be amazing.[/QUOTE]


It has nothing to do with a few bad plays. Parker had more than his share of bad plays the other night to be sure as well. Everyone does. It's about how stiff Wiggins looks.

He might turn out to be amazing. I hope he does. But I haven't seen anything yet that indicates amazing since he's been at Kansas.

I was as excited from his mix tape as anyone, but when I went to the McDonald's All-American game, and then watching him at Kansas he looks very stiff to me.
Aggressive and quick enough to score in transition yes, but that to me has nothing to do with great success at the next level.

Time will tell, but I haven't seen it regarding his supposed potential greatness. At all.

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]It has nothing to do with a few bad plays. Parker had more than his share of bad plays the other night to be sure as well. Everyone does. It's about how stiff Wiggins looks.[/QUOTE]

yea, you said that a few times, and I obviously diasagree. he floats and has long periods where he isn't aggressive, but I don't see the stiffness.


[QUOTE]He might turn out to be amazing. I hope he does. But I haven't seen anything yet that indicates amazing since he's been at Kansas.
[/QUOTE]

Lol you missed the Duke game

[QUOTE=Goliath Uterus]yea, you said that a few times, and I obviously diasagree. he floats and has long periods where he isn't aggressive, but I don't see the stiffness.




Lol you missed the Duke game[/QUOTE]

If that's your idea of amazing :facepalm , and you're going on 1 half of 1 game, then my point is already made. :pimp:

Maybe I'll go on double the time you gave, and we can discuss his 6 point performance last night.

Jabari put up 23, 10 and 5 last night against UCLA. 4 of 8 from deep. In front of 50+ scouts too at Madison Square Garden. No stage is too big for that dude. The more scouts, the bigger the stage... nothing but a thang.

Headed straight to the #1 pick :pimp:

Maybe it's just me but, it seems Wiggins has a hard time creating any offense off the dribble due to his shaky ball handling. So far from the 6 or 7 games I've seen him play, he's great in transition and when he's cutting off the ball. Not that that's a bad thing though. When I first started hearing all the hype I thought he was gonna be another ball pounding ISO type player like LeBron but he's not really that type of player. The thing that impresses me is he ain't trying to cross someone over, he'll use the quick first step and just take 1 or 2 dribbles and get to the rim. At this point Parker can score from anywhere on the court and create with the ball in his hands, post up, or move off the ball. Offensively he is pretty far ahead of Wiggins, IMO.

[QUOTE=wakencdukest]Maybe it's just me but, it seems Wiggins has a hard time creating any offense off the dribble due to his shaky ball handling. So far from the 6 or 7 games I've seen him play, he's great in transition and when he's cutting off the ball. Not that that's a bad thing though. When I first started hearing all the hype I thought he was gonna be another ball pounding ISO type player like LeBron but he's not really that type of player. The thing that impresses me is he ain't trying to cross someone over, he'll use the quick first step and just take 1 or 2 dribbles and get to the rim. At this point Parker can score from anywhere on the court and create with the ball in his hands, post up, or move off the ball. Offensively he is pretty far ahead of Wiggins, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Handles is Wiggins's biggest problem. Shooting can be fixed. After 10+ years of basketball, a player's handle is not going to improve by that much.

^^^


lol.... so does anyone still think Parker is better than Wiggins? or have y'all came to your senses yet?

[QUOTE=Goliath Uterus]^^^


lol.... so does anyone still think Parker is better than Wiggins? or have y'all came to your senses yet?[/QUOTE]




They've both been pretty underwhelming lately. Parker started out the season impressively, but has fallen off lately. He needs to stop forcing everything on offense. Wiggins seems to be getting more comfortable with the college game, but hasn't shown any kind of consistency, he shows flashes of that freak athleticism in the open court a couple of times per game, but then plays passively for long stretches. He's definitely raw offensively. I think the real question is, will either of them be able to beat out Embiid for the number 1 pick in the draft? I doubt it.

Career highs 29 points & 16 rebounds vs Boston College :applause:
12-17 FG .706 FG% only attempted 1 3p. :pimp:

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]Career highs 29 points & 16 rebounds vs[B] Boston College[/B] :applause:
12-17 FG .706 FG% only attempted 1 3p. :pimp:[/QUOTE]


yea...




Wiggins >>>

[QUOTE=Goliath Uterus]yea...




Wiggins >>>[/QUOTE]

19-5 >>>>> 18-5
19.2 PPG 8.5 RPG 1.3 APG >>>>>>> 16.0 PPG 6.0 RPG 1.7 APG

Numbers don't lie :pimp: