16-year-old boy killed four people while driving drunk

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters. You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder. What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome? That's not self defense either but I guess it's off to the chambers with every single one of them, no hope for them. Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters.[/QUOTE]
no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?

[QUOTE]You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder.[/QUOTE]
I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
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I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.

[QUOTE]What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome?[/QUOTE]
We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.

[QUOTE]Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.[/QUOTE]

I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.

His name is Ethan, not Eric. Pretty sure you're thinking of the former Nebraska QB lol.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
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I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.



I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.[/QUOTE]

c-c-c-combo!

[QUOTE=ace23]His name is Ethan, not Eric. Pretty sure you're thinking of the former Nebraska QB lol.[/QUOTE]
my bad

also this murder was justified imo
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE[/url]

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]my bad

also this murder was justified imo
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE[/url][/QUOTE]
Lol @ 5 years probation

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
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I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.



I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.[/QUOTE]

Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]my bad

also this murder was justified imo
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE[/url][/QUOTE]


I don't have any problem with what that father did, I thought it admirable he said Fck the Law in this instance. It takes balls and principles to go through with that. Ultimately, the judge and jurors understood his motivations and I would have too.

Man if the sentencing in this case isn't a sign of blatant racism in society, then I don't know what would be. :facepalm

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]I don't have any problem with what that father did, I thought it admirable he said Fck the Law in this instance. It takes balls and principles to go through with that. Ultimately, the judge and jurors understood his motivations and I would have too.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

Each case needs to be evaluated individually. I read a case a while ago this guy killed the priest that molested him as a kid, and got time for it. I wouldnt have given him any time.

In the case of couch he killed 4 people with his actions.

IIRC
he stole the alcohol and pills.
He was underaged drinking.
There is zero debate about this sequence of events.

He killed 4 innocent people unprovoked. I wish he would be executed. I imagine how I would feel if one of the 4 were my loved ones.

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. [/QUOTE]
I disagree. I know it would make me feel better to see couch die, if he killed someone I loved.

[QUOTE]I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all.[/QUOTE]
So whats your alternative?

Second of all it makes no difference to me if couch can redeem himself. My point is he took away 4 people's chance at life. IMO he doesnt deserve one either.

[QUOTE]I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.[/QUOTE]
We fundamentally disagree.
I have zero problem with the death penalty in theory. I do have a huge problem with how it is implemented. Eg. the cases where the executed party turned out to be innocent.

I have read stories where the DA just wants a conviction and holds back evidence. I think thats despicable and those DAs should be prosecuted.

But the concept of capital punishment to me is completely fair and just. It should be limited to cases where guilty is 100% certain and should be applied more often imo.

Also obviously you take into consideration mitigating circumstances.

[QUOTE]I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers.[/QUOTE]

Some things humans got right from the beginning:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]I guess you approve of a static nature of society.[/QUOTE]
Nope, I am all about technology, education, etc.

Eg. I am an atheist, who believes in the scientific process.

You seem too quick to group people into categories based on one political view point.

[QUOTE]I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive.[/QUOTE]
agreed.

[QUOTE]Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.[/QUOTE]
I am calling for couch's execution because it is what I would hope would be done if he had killed a love one of mine.

Maybe you can forgive the killing of your mom and sister, but I wouldnt be able to. I would laterally be throwing up right now if it was one of my loved ones killed by couch. And I think if you hold opinions like mine, you hold a responsibility to hold them for other people as well as your own loved ones.

I want to stamp a period on couch's existence, because he did so for 4 innocent people.

[QUOTE]Enjoy thinking primitive[/QUOTE]
Learn to debate without ad hominem attacks.

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.[/QUOTE]
Thinking about it more, that judge needs to be looked into for being overly lenient.

I'm guessing this was a case of Knockout right?

Where the 14 year old randomly chose an old man walking down the street and punched him for shit and giggles?

The guy got knocked out hit the ground and died from the brain trauma is what I am guessing.

10 years for that seems way too light for me. he probably stole 30 years at least from that guy.

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying my dude, but stop trying to act superior. How is your opinion better than his? Every situation is different, the thought of a death penalty isn't primitive, it's just that person's opinion. :facepalm Talking about the damn dark ages.....

Fair enough viewpoint. I can see where I went a tad overboard, I just think humans have a tendency to cling onto a basic, fundamental mindset when inconsolable tragedies occur. The things that really make no sense or have any rhyme or reason to the tragedy. It's always a bad look when we pack like drones and want blood for something that really doesn't affect us personally, regardless of how angry it makes us momentarily, our lives aren't the ones forever changed.

Sry everyone for coming off like a holier than thou douche. I guess at the end of the day, our species and the individuals that makeup the population are really all just full of shit and we are all hypocrites. Some are finite hypocrites, some are blatant hypocrites but we all are full of shit to some degree. No matter how much we wish to be progressive and self aware.

Myself included no doubt.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I thought 17 was legal adult age...I didn't think 16 year-olds could even go to prison

he looks like he is 80 lbs, that kid would just be a sex rag doll in prison[/QUOTE]
White people these days:facepalm

Black and other minority teens have been getting tried as adults for years....this isnt something new